Preppers in the Gulch?

Posted by trackman13 11 years, 4 months ago to Culture
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I have been watching events unfold in the world and I have started to see that some of those in the "Prepper" movement might not be so crazy. I find it fascinating to surround myself with people that are the best at what they do. Some of these people have the best work ethic I have come across both in their profession and their craft. Which is another reason why I like to pop in and monitor the gulch from time to time. I'm interested in your thoughts on the matter and I look forward to where the conversation might end up.



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  • Posted by WWJGD 11 years, 4 months ago
    FWIW I consider myself a prepper.

    But I don't fit the stereotype. Most of the people I meet & see in the "prepper" subculture are IMO batshit insane.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 11 years, 4 months ago
    My in-laws built a fallout shelter during the cold war. It mainly stayed foot deep in water. Even if one survived the initial effects of nuclear war, I doubt if many people would be able to cache enough supplies to outlast dangerous radiation levels.
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    • Posted by WWJGD 11 years, 4 months ago
      Yep, and that's exactly what the KGB propagandists wanted us to believe. Their agents who were writing articles for The New York Times and others did an excellent job of deleting the American people's will to fight.

      So the Preppers of yore were ostracized for (correctly) believing that nuclear war IS survivable, and worth surviving. The only thing that's changed from then to now is the focus of the ridicule.
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  • Posted by $ kathywiso 11 years, 4 months ago
    Another thing to store up is protein powder. It comes in nice plastic containers and will be a good sustainable food if you find yourself in a disaster of some kind.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 4 months ago
    I have a stash of rice and light bulbs too. LOL
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    • Posted by $ kathywiso 11 years, 4 months ago
      Light bulbs, been stocking up on them for a long time since they tried to make it illegal to sell the good ole bulb that works...
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      • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 4 months ago
        I was just at the grocery store and an old lady was behind me buying half a cart full of bulbs and I said, "Oh, good idea there with the bulbs." She didn't hear me so I let it go. Also, I just did a walk thru on a newly built house (of my friend's) a couple days ago and ALL of the lights in the house have those stupid pig tail lights in them and I said, "Well, those fricken things should be the first to go when you move in." She said, "Oh, believe me, it's first thing on Jeff's list, he's already said so." My reply? "I knew I loved him for a reason." Stupid pig tail light bulbs!!
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        • Posted by $ kathywiso 11 years, 4 months ago
          Smart lady, except I go to the local lumber store and get bigger quantities.. Lots cheaper.. Although she may be one of those coupon people getting them for almost free... Curious, what do you consider old ?
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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago
    WoW! I seems that I struck a chord and that there are several amongst us who see the writing on the wall.

    What would you see as the most possible scenario? Zombie Apocalypse (HaHa), Collapse of the dollar, or just utter fail to function like seen in Atlas Shrugged. The latter I believe will take quite some time. There are still far to many willing to prop up society in order to make money.

    Captains of industry now days are not the same men and women that Rand wrote about. Most are manicured and pedicured lobbyists who achieve their success through the board room and not from actually running their companies.
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    • Posted by WWJGD 11 years, 4 months ago
      As I posted elsewhere in this discussion, the "most possible scenario" depends on where you live.

      Civil unrest will happen. Societal collapse is already happening. And we have a pretty good idea what that looks like because it has happened several times throughout history.

      The short version: it bears little resemblance to the fantasies of the nut cases who are the bulk of the "prepper" movement.

      Food production, trade and commerce will continue (but probably not with U.S. fiat currency -- my own prediction is that silver will be the new currency). Energy and transportation will exist, but be problematic. Defense against food-seeking mobs will turn some places into war zones and be unnecessary in others.

      Above all, each of us needs to THINK. Listen to Dmitry Orloff's address to the Long Now Foundation called "Best Practices for Societal Collapse" (I don't have a link but it shouldn't be hard to find). Some of his experience is USSR-specific and won't happen here, but most of his advice is right on the money.

      After listening to his lecture, THINK about how all of his points will apply in your locale, and prepare accordingly.
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    • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago
      somewhere in here I posted the (real) prep list from the CDC on zombie apocalypse. :) I think it will be a combination of stuff. hyper inflation leading to shortages of essential goods or services. Gas is likely to be a big one. I say, go back and look at late 80s eastern block. similar kids of shortages for us. shortages also occur due to regulations passed, where a weakened economy doesn't hold up well under dumb, short sighted laws. Also, countries with stronger currencies buy up things we have always relied on having around:parts for cars, trucks, generators, etc. But team hyper inflation with a large natural disaster and you will not see adequate response. Like you're seeing with Sandy rebuilding. I would also look back at natural disasters and see which companies tended to lead response and rebuild. are those companies near your town? and lastly, I would get the heck away from a city. whatever happens, it will be much worse in a city, in my opinion.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago
    I first heard the word describing that Sandy Hook monster's mother. Is it different from survivalist? I do not understand the the concept of "hunkering down" why not leave? but being prepared for crisis is just forward looking. there are many signs a crisis(es) could happen. I have not yet bought any astronaut food :)
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 4 months ago
      Leave to where? With what? By what means? Full-on Shrugging is a process of much planning and preparations and it's very costly as well. Minus my sob stories, we do not have the means to leave, my parents are elderly and I will not leave them or my kids....so, at least for now, we have to stay put, which leaves us with staying aware, stocking up and hunkering down if need be. No other real options for us at the moment that would be practical or not actually work towards are own detriment. And I don't think Preppers are crazy...what's the harm in it? The ones I think are bat shit crazy are the hoarders...trash everywhere, piles of newspapers, stacks of dirty dishes, dead cats under seat cushions.... THAT'S crazy. Preppers are harmless.
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      • Posted by WWJGD 11 years, 4 months ago
        "Leave to where? With what? By what means?"

        Precisely. As Ronald Reagan famously said (prophesied?) in 1964, "If we lose freedom here, there's no place left to run to. This is the last stand on Earth."

        If you live in a city, it might be wise to leave (to somewhere that you can grow your own food). There are probably certain U.S. states from which it would be wise to leave.

        But most of us don't have the zillions of dollars to do what Doug Casey has been advising his clients to do for several years now. THOSE people are the Midas Mulligans of the post-Apocalypse. We will need them when the time comes to rebuild.
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        • Posted by Mulligan 11 years, 3 months ago
          Mulligan here. I decided to strike in 2003. Moved to a very rural area. We are well stocked for all of life's necessities. We can our own food. Are well armed. We are not so much "preppers" but simply living the kind of life one must lead in a very remote area. If unrest does happen, it will probably begin with economic issues. Hyperinflation after the binge of printing money. Food will become expensive. Petroleum exhorbitant. Self sufficiency is necessary, even in the absence of unrest.

          I live at Galt's Gulch (I really do). Have been an Objectivist since 1971 (40 of my 60 years). Over those 40 years, I have read most everything Ayn Rand wrote. My home is in a very remote area of southern Arizona where I moved when I decided to strike in 2003.

          I swear - by my life and my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine. - Ayn Rand (Atlas Shrugged)
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        • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago
          I believe it can be taken back. but some have to leave to maximize resources while starving the beast, waiting, yes, but also enjoying life. WWJGD, thanks for your resources today. I enjoyed both Orlav and Casey stuff I read.
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      • Posted by UncommonSense 11 years, 4 months ago
        Great questions LetsShrug. I have several plans for my family, and each one depends on what conditions exist. Unfortunately, none of them really provide what my wife and I really want: Limited Gov't, All the communists out of the local, State & Federal levels, both elected and unelected, including the public schools.

        Khalling's response from 2 days beginning with, "somewhere in here I posted the (real) prep list...." accurately shows the issues we face, IMO. One thing is certain, America is the last stand for Freedom. I feel like we (in the Gulch) are like the ones who fought at The Alamo. Except instead of Mexicans surrounding us, it's our own politicians. How pathetic.
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        • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 4 months ago
          It makes me sad (and other things) that so few of us seem to give a shit, or even notice. On one hand I want to shake sense into people and on the other hand I think it's futile to even waste my efforts so I don't bother.
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      • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago
        I think prepping for economic and natural disasters makes sense as well, and you have to do it no matter where you live. it's the hunkering down part that I see as possibly inefficient use of time. if the govt is in the equation, the equation will always have the same answer. If we are talking looting, pillaging, and raping then I'd agree with you.
        that's sobering about the hoarders. seriously, if they lived next to me Id be over there in the middle of the night throwing Clorox around
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        • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 4 months ago
          If you have the means to leave then, yes, staying and hunkering is inefficient...if you don't have the means then the leaving becomes the inefficient part.
          (Even Clorox wouldn't kill the creepy crawlies in the hoarder houses.) I always feel sorry for their neighbors. ig!
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          • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago
            you know if it's right for you or not. and since it is a very individual choice, it's not even worth debating questions like means or family. I will say this about my own situation. we gave up alot to do it. income, savings, being close to family. I'll tell you about (not here in the gulch) a hard decision I'm going through right now regarding one of the very reasons you list for not shrugging. but regardless if it's right for you or not, I'll bet there are many in here who could try it on, and just don't think that way, for lots of reasons-like this is my country and I won't let the bastards take it from me. and that's a perfectly valid feeling. I just don't believe it is effective in removing the bastards.or the zombies.
            it is important to restate that you have to "prep" no matter where you're living in the world, if intend to be an efficient survivor opposed to helpless drain on others
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            • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 4 months ago
              I know it's hard and you have to give up a lot...and I also know what you're referring to. (I'm very sad for you...and I'd be insane over it, but I totally respect your choices and sticking to them.I hope things improve quickly). None of us knows for sure how all of this will play out or when... we have some ideas and can speculate all day long, but no one knows for sure.
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    • Posted by WWJGD 11 years, 4 months ago
      "Is it different from 'survivalist'?" Probably not.

      But in the MSM words have no meaning, other than what some libtard wants them to mean at that moment.

      As an example, look at the myriad meanings that have been assigned to the phrase "assault weapon" -- which has no definition -- and the number of times we've been told that an "assault rifle" -- a weapon which has been illegal to own since the 1930's -- was used and/or brandished at this or that event.

      The definition of "prepper" will change tomorrow, or next week, at the whim of a libtard journalist (which I prefer to pronounce with the German "J") anyway.
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