Owned and operated by one of us. Or a number of us. Call it something obscure, like Danagger Trading and Drayage.

In some climates, sugar cane grows wildly. Anyone for a snifter of Dollar Sign Rum? :-)

So they bomb our island into a desert. What have they gained? Certainly not anything usable. And isn't the point of the whole exercise that we don't want to live under tyranny of any sort?

Ouch! I just caught that. Shoot me (tho not with a 5.56 Grendel, please!) Heck, there's the answer - purchased a used (but not decommissioned internally) aircraft carrier, make it our own floating island...

I am planning on building a waste-to-energy and chemicals plant. This is an area that I look forward to working on in Atlantis ... until John Galt comes up with his generator.

Never shot one. Need expansion ratios, Ft/Lbs at the muzzle and at ranges out to terminal (and what terminal range is). Can it take down a polar or grizzly bear, or a small dangerous animal? And what platforms is it available - AR/AK, M1A, etc? Can it be shot auto as well as semi or bolt? Curious...

I'll bring along a lot of carbon black for water purification, too.

I was thinking more along the lines of a backup to the municipal system, but your point is well taken.

Read "Freehold" by Michael Z. Williamson

db: peter theil is an investor and interested in technology and freedom. He might be someone to contact.

On this same line (sorry for the late add) is the format of Gulch Currency. As convoluted as it seems, the troy weight system of Great Britain actually is designed for direct conversion to metals (20/12/1) 20 Mulligans to the Taggart, 12 Taggarts to the Auoz (also called the Galt). (BTW, if you're not familiar with the term, an Auoz (pronounced kind of like a southerner saying "ours" with a mouth full of shillings) is one Gold Ounce - AuOz.)

That will be an interesting challenge, db, as most of the people in Atlantis will be "retirees" from the real world.

And I was glad to kill that tree. I'll plant several in its place.

I presume the ship is made of Rearden Metal. When we get to Atlantis, I'll have to start working on that. I can make metal alloys, but that's not my area of expertise.

Agreed, and now there is a producers' lounge version of this document.

See...we're functioning already, lol. If we have energy and booze we're on a roll.

The Specie question is whether we are attached to another country (say, with in the territorial boundaries of Canada) wherein we would have to use their specie to trade with them. If independent, then we can set our exchange to our current economic conditions, which is why pegging the value of the Gulch Auoz / Doubloon / Dollar / Mark against the needed trading currency without taking a bath on the exchange is important.

Use your own used used mash for solid fuel. Plus you can also use produced alcohol to provide power, both for IC engines and heat production. However, your used grain will likely be appreciated by the dairy farmer... excellent cattle feed.

A carrier? Really? I can see her in command of a destroyer or frigate. Carrier? Out of our price range.

Oops. Creating wealth is not what I would consider a defining requirement. Contributing to the overall viability of Atlantis should be. In AS, many of the inhabitants were not creating "wealth" but were adding to the value of Atlantis.

Sorry, between being a competitive shooter and having to come up with security plans like this before, it's second nature. No offense intended.

OK, personally, when I was shooting trap & Skeet competitively, to stay in form, I would burn a minimum of a case of shells a week. Same with rifle marksmanship - I *had* to reload just to stay in ammo to, again, remain competitive.. Which is why I like the idea of "supply your own, roll your own".

The thing that disturbs me most is what is the upper limit to our defensive capability? Do we build SSM's? 9 or 16" gun emplacements? Develop Cruise Missile capability and drone surveillance? If you're on an island somewhere, the threat - not of other countries, but of pirate action - is both real and deadly serious. which is why I commented the armament you have is relevant to where you are *and* the perceived threat. Example - we have bear, wild boar, and elk where I live. During "the rut", I carry a 44 mag, and hunt with either my 308 or a wildcatted 300 Weatherby Magnum - not because I'm trying to be bada$$, but it's what's needed to drop a bear or boar coming at you. Were I still in an urban area, using such a firearm would be silly. Not unnecessary, per se, but silly.

Good point. Outside front would have to be like an honest politician, they stay bought.

Or of someone being sought by outside nations. Extradition to an outside entity would be on a case by case basis, depending on the type, and severity, of the offense.

Manufacturing capability would not exist, initially. Outside purchase would be required.

See Midas Mulligan thread.