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Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 4 months ago to Government
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What is so important about certain creeds that we honor them and are offended when they are not treated with respect? ----- Matthew Continenti, Editor of the Washington Free Beacon sums it up in a single paragraph. "We are united in our creed of freedom and equality, and also by our habits, our manners, our national language, our territorial integrity, our national symbols such as the National Anthem, the Flag, And the Pledge of Allegiance -- our civic traditions, and our national story." Which is why kneeling when the Anthem is played or sung, or sitting during the pledge infuriates old codgers like me who have been taught to respect these things since childhood.


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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't know which one of us is missing the point. I have in ferred nothing as to good vs. bad, only to point out that there is a time and place for unity. You gave a perfect example. Anytime a group is needed in order to accomplish a certain procedure , using the military is a good example, a surgical operation is a perfect example. Hoewever teamwork is not as important as having the best team leader. If a surgery requiring a team is led by the surgeon who invented the procedure this might be the best way to go if there is a choice involved. And in this case, the team would be less relied upon than the man in chargem=, wouldn't you say?
    There is no good or bad in scenarios of this sort. Onlr good, better or best. You will never hear of me doing a put-down about the military or any competent force , the key is competent.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Missing the point, Herb. Watch any surgical team in the OR and you see rigid unified discipline for the sake of the best outcome for the patient. Does that indicate medical professionals are mindless automatons?

    Get out of your head, if you can, the purely ceremonial parade marching, symbolic of the old combat formations of the eighteenth century. Just like the UK justices who have preserved their ridiculous powdered wigs dating from the same period, formation marching is more symbolic than anything else, retained for show. The real, important disciplinary training takes place on the firing range and in training simulations.

    The effectiveness of mass formations moving in lockstep began to die with the advent of rifled musketry, and no military organization on the planet today uses the concept. The formation marching has been retained simply because it draws attention, and builds a sense of teamwork. Is a college marching band a collection of mindless drones?
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There ya go. Life is not always as simple as the choices made in a novel.i tend to think that most men, on their own would make a poor or downright dumb choice. It is the love of a woman and especially, a woman and a child that causes most men to make the "better" choice.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Awww, gee whiz doc I wasn't being pejoritive. Ya took away mah point. The military by its very nature, utilizing the chain of command, organized to take away individuality but as an individual citizen we are free to act individually and on our own initiative. Citizens who follow on another in lock -step are definitely not free as illustrated by their very actions.The only time that is an effective procedure is in the military. I find that to be neither bad nor good but necessary.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Gotcha beat by 11 years. In any case I'll bet you were instilled with the same values as I was. What's with these punks, anyhow? I'd like to line them up and kick them all in their nether regions. Why waste my breathe and brains arguing with them?
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am plesed to recommend a devise called a "bataka." It is basically a pillow with a handle on it
    There are times when I just gotta hit something to get out the rage that is infuriating me,I take that thing and beat on the bed with it until I'm sweating. Its good exercise and it beats the hell out of wrecking the house. Everything is so expensive nowadays. It was suggested to me by a shrink named Shulman, a buddy of Branden's..
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  • Posted by BeenThere 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "As a retired veteran, and one who bucked the system quite frequently,...."

    You weren't alone..................
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The problem is that I never intended that post as a declaration of fact but used it as an example of unity. My point was that unity as described wouldn't work in a free society, it would require greater regimentation as in the military (The popular conception of).I doubt if anyone has more respect for our armed forces than myself. having known too many people who no longer exist that I admired.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do find there are serious misconceptions of how an efficient military organization operates, and the role of individuals in it. It is strange that these misconceptions exist even in some military members.

    For starters, the absolute unquestioning obedience to orders is more the exception than the rule. Insightful commanders usually listen to subordinates "on the ground" who may have better information on the situation at hand. There is some tolerance for disobeying orders when circumstances make it the sensible decision. Commanders are supposed to respect the training and experience of junior officers and senior non-commissioned officers to carry out their mission in a manner suited to the real world situation, even if those actions may skirt the rules laid down. If there wasn't a recognition that respect has to go both ways, the American military forces wouldn't be as good at their job as they are. A military force made up of uninspired members treated as cannon fodder is an unquestionable disaster.

    The most extreme recognition of individuality is the right to disobey an order that is in violation of the Constitution, or could be a war crime, as in a violation of the rules of the Geneva convention. That right is spelled out in the Uniform Code of Military Justice. "I was just following orders" is not a defense for any American, even the lowest ranking enlistee.

    Like American society in general, the American military is made up of free individuals who willingly sacrifice some liberties to protect the republic when necessary. Hopefully we will never face the need to return to a conscript military, as the motivation of free individuals to serve is far more representative of American society.

    Just a clarification.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unity is made up of individuals. My intention was not to put down the military, but to point out that is when you need unity, that is, individuals coming together for the purpose of defending ourselves. You must admit Dr., that not everyone is suitable for the military.In certain circumstances individualism must be given up for the sake of efficiency, hence, the chain of command and unquestioned obeyence.But unity in a free society is rare because of the very nature of that freedom. And further, military also means police as well as the various police agencies that are part of the national caretakers.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As a retired veteran, and one who bucked the system quite frequently, I find your misguided characterization both ignorant and uninformed. What happened to the idea we are all unique humans, not to be put in ideological boxes?
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exposing him as the evil gun running deep state
    Rockefeller Kakistokrats that he is ,is far better.

    Kissinger remained at Harvard as a member of the faculty in the Department of Government and, with Robert R. Bowie, co-founded the Center for International Affairs in 1958 where he served as associate director. In 1955, he was a consultant to the National Security Council's Operations Coordinating Board.[25] During 1955 and 1956, he was also study director in nuclear weapons and foreign policy at the Council on Foreign Relations. He released his book Nuclear Weapons and Foreign Policy the following year.[26] From 1956 to 1958 he worked for the Rockefeller Brothers Fund as director of its Special Studies Project.[25] He was director of the Harvard Defense Studies Program between 1958 and 1971. He was also director of the Harvard International Seminar between 1951 and 1971. Outside of academia, he served as a consultant to several government agencies and think tanks, including the Operations Research Office, the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency
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  • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    sending a message would have been important...but I had the rest of my life to lead and a family to raise...I made the better choice...
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It would have caused you grief and had no effect on anything except a certain degree of self-satisfaction.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unified, unity, what a bunch of bull pucky. And colonies are unified as are bee nests. However, we are humans, not insects.Unity for humans is and should be a temporary state. We unify for mutual defense against a common enemy. Those few who find that lifestyle acceptable find that the military life is what suits them and where they belong. They are a necessary adjunct to a free society, and there will always be a minority suited for that kind of endeavor.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is unfortunate that most Americans have not had your experience in reality, but have been taught an alternate reality made up of the dreams and wishes of pessimistic, negative folks who view the world as "Life's a bitch, and then, you die."
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