Amen, brother. There were many great generals and soldiers in the GAR and other units but the sheer strength of will, tenacity, and ability to endure extreme hardship belongs to those Sons of The South whose valor was never questioned and whose willingness to strive for their cause without equal. In addition, we were damn good shots, too. And, if called upon, we will do it again, for the willingness to fight for individual liberty has never been far from the surface amongst us.
They would have been loath to sell to any northerner. They barely tolerate them now! I know, I lived in VA for most of my life, went to college in Richmond. I was a damn Yankee, as opposed to just a plain Yankee. It's because I was living there, not just visiting. They would have gnawed off their own arms before selling to a Yankee.
I am so enjoying this poetry collection. this particular poem popped up out of the blue-because most of the other poems are very personal. I wish wdonway would come in here more. ;(
He may have made the wrong decision. Had one state have left he may have made a different decision. I can't put him in the worst President category. I do believe a fractured and weaker US would have been disasterous.
The President doesn't have a choice, if he is obedient to his oath. If a State wishes to leave the union, it is free to do so, just as we are free to quit the U.N. if we choose.
Lincoln made an unConstitutional choice. Perhaps the U.S. wouldn't have been as powerful. Perhaps it would have been even more powerful. That's all irrelevant. He made the morally wrong decision.
I am simply wondering if the US would have been as powerful if the Union had not been preserved. You can't look at history backwards when second guessing decision making. You have called Lincoln the worst President but you can't simply reverse one or two decisions he made and then conclude that everything else would have worked out the way we would have liked. Lincoln was faced with the Union fracturing under his Presidency. I can't imagine any President just allowing that to happen. There is no way of knowing the direction things would have gone after that.
Oh, well in that case we're going to invade your factory, destroy your furnaces, confiscate your metal, destroy what we can't haul away, and kill your workers.
More simply, the Southern plantation owners would not have sold their slaves to the North any more than Rearden would have sold his metal to the SSI.
Wow. Such ignorance; do you buy into stereotypes about all ethnicities, or is there just something special about the South for you? I bet you also think the government taxes poor people more than rich ones, huh, since the gov't was receiving a great deal of revenue from taxing Southern imports, which they couldn't have been prosperous enough to afford...
Why would it have been a terrible option? How could you not let them secede without violating the principles of the Founding Fathers?
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness... ...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." - from the Declaration of Independence
It wouldn't have delayed the war, it would have prevented it. You justify the enslavement of the southern States by saying they were needed as part of the U.S. to fight Hitler a century later? How is that any different than the Head of State or Wesley Mouch enslaving Rearden and Galt because they *need* them? We must have lost WWII because Canada and Australia and the U.S. were separate countries from England, then. Faulty logic.
The brutality didn't just "occur". Sheridan threw out the Laws of War that limited the horror of war since the days of the condottieri.
And you're assuming we would have remained two countries. As slavery was already dying in the Southern States, long before a century passed the two countries would have most likely reunited, and the Constitution would have remained intact, and the States would not have been reduced to mere provinces.
The nation evolved from an agrarian economy (South), to a manufacturing economy (North).
The South held the political power up to the Industrial Revolution, and refused to 'go quietly into the night'. Pride, and heritage, doomed the hope for peace....
Maybe, but it's also theoretically possible that the South may have been perfectly content to remain at a lower level of productivity and be less prosperous, since that's how they were used to living and it was their tradition.
ok, that statement was ironic on purpose in case someone is going to say something. as well, the north passed import tariffs which aided the north's manufacturing but crippled the relationship between the south and Britain. The south did not feel represented in federal government. I think the split should have happened. Free men prosper. it would have been wicked good education to watch the North prosper (tariffs aside). the South would have evolved.
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What choice would this be?
Remember...the South fired the first shot.
It's the post-war South that was so terribly impoverished, not the Antebellum South, btw.
The President doesn't have a choice, if he is obedient to his oath. If a State wishes to leave the union, it is free to do so, just as we are free to quit the U.N. if we choose.
Lincoln made an unConstitutional choice.
Perhaps the U.S. wouldn't have been as powerful. Perhaps it would have been even more powerful. That's all irrelevant. He made the morally wrong decision.
I'm here to buy the rights to Rearden Metal.
Rearden Metal is not for sale.
Oh, well in that case we're going to invade your factory, destroy your furnaces, confiscate your metal, destroy what we can't haul away, and kill your workers.
More simply, the Southern plantation owners would not have sold their slaves to the North any more than Rearden would have sold his metal to the SSI.
How could you not let them secede without violating the principles of the Founding Fathers?
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness...
...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." - from the Declaration of Independence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcZK2CF3m...
You justify the enslavement of the southern States by saying they were needed as part of the U.S. to fight Hitler a century later? How is that any different than the Head of State or Wesley Mouch enslaving Rearden and Galt because they *need* them?
We must have lost WWII because Canada and Australia and the U.S. were separate countries from England, then. Faulty logic.
The brutality didn't just "occur". Sheridan threw out the Laws of War that limited the horror of war since the days of the condottieri.
And you're assuming we would have remained two countries. As slavery was already dying in the Southern States, long before a century passed the two countries would have most likely reunited, and the Constitution would have remained intact, and the States would not have been reduced to mere provinces.
The nation evolved from an agrarian economy (South), to a manufacturing economy (North).
The South held the political power up to the Industrial Revolution, and refused to 'go quietly into the night'. Pride, and heritage, doomed the hope for peace....
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