Does everyone here remember what I said last year, that the Star Trek fiftieth anniversary was a tarnished jubilee? This is the prize example.

I'm not waiting any longer. I am creating my own story arc, just to show a society built on "replicators" as it comes crashing down when people forget how to keep them up, etc.

"You can choose to view it either way"
Right, because we don't know yet. They haven't given us enough to know what they're saying. They are definitely NOT going for "Trek and fun". It's obviously darker, although the vein that DS9 was darker than TNG. This appears to be even darker. But it's too early to say.

I find modern political debate extremely childish, so I hope they jump into it in an obvious way. I do think that would ruin the show.

"the military are what kept that flag flying."
I understand this is a tangent, but I don't get it at all, probably because I have somewhat "radical" views on it.. I think we should have only a limited standing army and a well-regulated militia of armed citizens should be primarily responsible for keeping the flag flying. I think having a permanent weapons industry big enough to influence the gov't and forces deployed around the world are contrary to the ideals of the flag. I think the flag stands for, among other things, the right to protest and say unpopular things. So I guess in my view the flag itself in a very very loose sense "disrespects our military" as we know it and is a banner for people protesting the government. People protesting, including protesting a large standing army and its actions, are putting the ideals of the flag into action.

For some people, there is no discovery in this rubbish. Hopefully the backlash will open the eyes of many more against the statist sponsored media manipulation that has been epidemic for the past 30 years.

As bad as the writing and acting is through 3 episodes, viewers should expect the writers to drag out Khan again shortly (with little regard to the existing history of the character.)
Fortunately, many of the fans of Star Trek can see the obvious political propaganda that you conveniently ignore, as you ignore O and Hitlery's unethical and unconstitutional actions.

Maybe, maybe not. You can choose to view it either way, just as kneeling is "Not about disrespecting the military", yet it is, as the military are what kept that flag flying. It is a show, and you can choose to view it as a show, or view it as deeper meaning. I am not about to believe that this show is just their idea about Trek and fun, in that I have not supported or watched it, as I do not support CBS's treatment of fans, Axanar, or paying 5.99 a month to watch one show, and have to go through all the gyrations needed to do so. Besides, I am so disgusted with the "Nu-Treking" they have done, they can keep it. The Discovery alone is proof of their desire to change everything.

"who profess to just want to be left alone, seemed really valid, just as the liberals want to ram gender issues,"
One interpretation is they're setting up a bunch of political statements. Another is a good villain has motivations besides just being a bad guy. The audience totally disagrees with Khan, for example, but we know why he's doing this. He really was smarter and stronger than Kirk. But Kirk won. And then Kirk acted like he was doing him a favor by marooning him on a planet instead of sending him to jail. Kirk never checks in on him, and Khan's wife dies horribly. Khan is irrational b/c he never would have wanted to be checked in on, but that's the whole point! Khan is wrong. But we know why he does what he does. It makes perfect sense that this person who was stronger, smarter, and used to winning lost and then lost his wife, and he is on an insane mission to beat Kirk.

The issue of losing your local culture to progress is an old one and a reasonable motivation to give the Klingons. It's not necessarily commentary on those issues happening right now any more than it's about Roman roads and trade causing Roman ideas and language to replace local ones 2000 years ago.

I watched the first free episode of Orville and liked it. I have seen some fan productions, and they are amazing. There's one with sets that look just like TOS and stories and style that feels totally TOS. It's just amazing.

"I think he does a decent job of justifying it"
I can think of reasons I don't see it.
1. The writers haven't revealed it all yet. Maybe Burnham is going to have a long redemption story arc and all the antagonists will white males and have a rude racists attitude like that admiral. I took his race-related remark as something to make us not like him so we didn't care when died, but maybe the whole show is going to be that way. It's too early to tell. If they get preachy about politics, I won't like it. If you want to see hardcore leftwing political preaching in Star Trek, see The Neutral Zone. It's hard to watch.
2. If his complaint is the writers believe in feminism, protecting the environment, and social justice, I'll never see the problem, as long as it doesn't preach, because I believe in those things as basic values. It could be there and I'm missing it.
3. I may be a Star Trek fanboy reading all kinds of complexity into a by-the-numbers TV show where the cop with a chip on her shoulder goes to jail for shooting a bad guy and has to prove to the world he was right.

So there are lots of reason I could be wrong. But right now the show reminds of how I felt as a kid watching TOS, so I really like it.

Sorry, that was my name for the various splits between Viacom, CBS, Paramount back in the late 90's. I have searched for the supposed 10 year ban on TV programs (CBS's supposed excuse for why no Trek was produced), and I have only heard, in many Trek forums, of this "deal" where Paramount retained all the rights to the "Original Trek" look, ships, characters, and CBS had to create non competeing shows. I will look to see if there is something.

Here is the history, it is very convoluted:
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/St...

Here is one discussing JJ Abrams issues with it and some of the backstory:

http://www.slashfilm.com/complicated-...

I don't get too excited on it, everyone has their own opinion and view, in this case I got hammered on a Fan Film FB page by all the Discovery cheerleaders.I just considered that, with Hollywood's incessant liberal media manipulation and hypocrisy, that driving a series to be a political diatribe is plausible and he supported his theory with evidence of such from the writers and producers. No one anywhere's has countered the suppositions, just started screaming back with constructive words like "stupid", "dick", "neo-fascist", which certainly seems to say he may be onto something. Propaganda takes many forms. The issue of the Federation being the "good guy" and encroaching on the Klingon's, who profess to just want to be left alone, seemed really valid, just as the liberals want to ram gender issues, race issues, and global warming down everyone's throat, "for our good".

He does support his positions, and I think he does a decent job of justifying it. Just to put this in context, 60% of people (2954 votes) on Rottentomatoes liked Discovery, while 90% of the critics did yet Orville has 90% of the people( 3245 votes) liking it, and 20% of the critics. So, perception is obviously a wide variable, and this guy seemed to look at it from his angle. Rottentomatoes is by no means a worthy barometer, in that they use the critics ratings on all their "whats on" lists and ignore the users, indicating they are catering to some other master beyond people, and I can see where someone would look at Discovery in the light he did, because as he went on, I was able to agree that what he was saying was plausible, and the supporting material he had made it even more probable.I have personal issues with CBS, not only in the way they marketed it, but the way they handled Axanar, and his last bit on Axanar I thought was spot on.

I listened to it. Wow. It's like an unintentional parody of someone trying to shoehorn an interesting sci-fi show into being about modern politics. When people watch the show 30 years from now, like watching TNG now, no one will even remember all this political nonsense.

The show is about a flawed protagonist who in a war situation literally pulls the trigger to start war. She said at the beginning killing the enemy leader would make him a martyr and lead to a horrible war. Klingons killed her parents, and she shows clear signs of wanting war with the Klingons. Now everyone blames her for starting the war. But did she pull the trigger to protect her captain or because on some level she wanted a war? The show doesn't tell us. Maybe the character is asking herself this question. She acts like she has a death wish, but is that because she really did start the war on purpose or because she didn't want to and failed miserably. We don't know. The nitwit character in this video would misses the whole point and asks what does all this mean for supporters of President Trump and for issues of race and gender identity? Of course it has absolutely nothing to do with those things. That's just what he's obsessed with.

Much of what he talks about are Lexus and the Olive Tree issues that have been with us since people started trading and traveling farther than they had before, and they've obviously accelerated with jet travel and the Internet. He thinks it's something new and applies to specific groups of people.

"Federation has more in common with the Borg"
He says this like it's bad, but I really like it when the Federation isn't presented as an always-right utopia. Eddington made this exact analog to the Borg on DS9. I hope they make issues related to this part of the story arc.

"Who exactly are the bad guys in this story?"
It remains to be seen. We don't know!! This isn't a show made for television decades ago, written
before on-demand video when stories had to make it obvious who the bad guys are.

He keeps saying "the left is obsessed with identity politics." "Everything is offensive to them."
That's hilarious-- talk about the pot calling the kettle black. If I had tried my hardest to look for anything this guy might find not consistent with his version of political correctness, I could never have found as many reasons to be offended.

The issues he claims the "Hollywood bubble" supports, e.g. feminism, social justice, etc, are things
I take for granted as virtues. So maybe I and possibly most people are in the bubble with them.
Maybe this video gives a view outside my bubble, and it isn't pretty. It's kind of like the
caricature people make of Republicans as jerks, except he's apparently a real person.

I absolutely do not think particular parties and candidates make people jerks. I think the character in the video is a jerk, and in this video in manifests by him contorting a show into being about politics.

They have become what they have thought about and abet, felt guilty of, most of the time.

Earl Nightingale: The Strangest Secret.

Do you have any links to the Solomon decision? I'm interested but can't find it on the search engines.

"So what the producers and writers said in the quotes he put up on the screen, in addition to the JJ quotes were?"
I didn't get past the part where he said Janeway was a good captain. I didn't care for that character or VOY. I'll listen to the rest of it. :)

More biased irrational drivel from CG, the O and Hitlery supporter. A bat can see reality with more clarity.

So what the producers and writers said in the quotes he put up on the screen, in addition to the JJ quotes were?????? Remember, there is also the fact that they were required under the Solomon decision to change their look from the TOS era, as the TOS era is supposedly all Paramounts, which raises the question of how CBS was able to sue them, if Paramount has all the TOS rights....

"Janeway was a solid edition to the center seat?" Okay. She was not my favorite captain. He talks about the "gender politics", but that seemed far less important than what she acually did-- many questionable decisions with what felt like hand-wringing in place of consequences.

I see no politics whatsoever in DIS this far in the first three episodes, not even the slightest hint. Nerds like me are speculating what's going on.The show won't immediately reveal its secrets! Is it the beginnings of a mirror universe? Section 31? Trying to make ot about contemporary politics is a far greater stretch. It's just not there. They may take it that direction, but there's no evidence. We really don't know exactly what's going on.