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Obituary of the US? - THIS IS SAD

Posted by NealS 6 years, 4 months ago to History
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In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the all of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."

The Obituary follows:

Born 1776, Died 2016

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase..


If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals - and they vote -
then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.


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  • Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 4 months ago
    That's why the founders did not create a democracy.

    None of the others had the firepower that the common people of the US still have.
    Soon we shall see if there is still a backbone.
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    • Posted by Robbie53024 6 years, 4 months ago
      But the 17th amendment, and near total ignoring of the 9th and 10th has effectively done the same thing. Should the consortium that awards total state electoral college votes to the national winner, then the conversion will be complete.
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  • Posted by $ Technocracy 6 years, 4 months ago
    I think we are in the apathy to dependence transition there

    Look at the voting turnout, I don't know how much better an illustration of apathy you could find.
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    • Posted by $ jbrenner 6 years, 4 months ago
      At least in the apathy to dependence transition.
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      • Posted by $ Technocracy 6 years, 4 months ago
        When that 46% of full on looters reach 51% is when we would be moving to the last transition in my opinion.

        Hmm given the way this administration lies and manipulates stats, we might be there now an just not know it yet.
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        • Posted by Robbie53024 6 years, 4 months ago
          That won't be necessary. There's a move afoot by states to form a consortium whereby they pledge their electoral college votes to the winner of the national popular vote, regardless of how their own state voted. Once 271 are reached, it's effectively over, as the few most populous states will rule over the rest of the nation.
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        • Posted by $ jbrenner 6 years, 4 months ago
          We're pretty close to there. We have about 52% moochers. I don't think we have 46% looters, but maybe 15%. The point is that we are already past the tipping point.
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          • Posted by 6 years, 4 months ago
            Okay, what do we have to do to prevent tipping over? I mean, personally what do we have to do?
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            • Posted by $ jbrenner 6 years, 4 months ago
              Start by getting out of debt.
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              • Posted by 6 years, 4 months ago
                Personally? We have no debt, period. Own our home, Buick Enclave, Corvette, furniture, major shop tools, stuff, always pay cash for everything, have IRA, savings accts, and retirement income, plus social security income, have never ever paid interest on credit cards. What else can I do?
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                • Posted by $ jbrenner 6 years, 4 months ago
                  I would switch any IRA investments into Roth IRA's and start withdrawing because, as Solver correctly points out, the Dems already have put forth a bill in 2010 about nationalizing everyone's IRA savings.

                  Beyond that, start saving for a move to Atlantis.
                  Saving is hard, because inflation is part of their plan.
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                • Posted by $ Solver 6 years, 4 months ago
                  Forget about the money you have saved in your IRA. They plan on redistributing the whole or a part of this who whom ever they feel needs it more. And in their mind, those who did not save need it more than you.
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                  • Posted by Robbie53024 6 years, 4 months ago
                    Lest anyone think that you're being irrational in this, there have already been congressional hearings on this very thing. Essentially nationalizing your 401k and IRA accounts under the guise that you have been allowed to save that money tax free so the gov't has a right to "manage" it.
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                  • Posted by 6 years, 4 months ago
                    Funny thing, I was worried about the IRA, so for the last few years I've just been taking the big tax bite and moving the money in big chunks to a ROTH IRA and to personal savings. I know the ROTH could become dangerous too, but at least I can take it all on a moments notice at anytime and not be taxed again on any of it. If this changes I'll just take it all out.
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                    • Posted by Robbie53024 6 years, 4 months ago
                      Don't be so sure you can get it out at a moment's notice. It is not unheard of, not even here in the US, that gov'ts have put limits on how much can be withdrawn.
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  • Posted by $ Solver 6 years, 4 months ago
    Something lately has brought about sort of social apathy, which if not discovered and dealt with will lead to social dependency, then to subjection. Oh, lookee, Obama is speaking again. This time about those unpatriotic corporations that don't pay taxes.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 4 months ago
    Term limits could help this situation, but few politicians want to talk about that. And as far as welfare, and all the other assistance programs, they should all have an expiration date, a term limit, at least a renewal application and hearing. Unemployment (99 weeks?), should it be a career position or have an end? If you can't get off welfare after xx amount of time, you must work as a public servant to earn additional benefits (like a paycheck). These people should be able to work at the DMV's and even the Social Security offices (If you've ever had to deal with any of them you'll know what I'm saying). Why should we pay regular people for these civil service jobs when we have welfare recipients that are able to do them? All we have to do is change the law, and then find someone that will enforce it. Maricopa Country loves it's sheriff Joe, anyone ever wonder why? And which one has the prisoners training service dogs, what a great concept? The needy recipients needs to be reviewed periodically, and show they still qualify, just like having to renew my driver’s license, my vehicle license, or my concealed pistol license. And the government needs to enforce and obey the law, period.

    Personally I think we've gone too far down to make the necessary changes without some kind of physical conflict. And remember that even some of our own thought we should not fight the English for our freedom.

    One other possible scenario I can see that might do it is that we all quit producing, get on the welfare bandwagon, take advantage of all the assistance programs out there. After they are totally broken and there is no money left to support anything we can start over again. There’s nothing more refreshing than after a big rain storm.
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  • Posted by LibertasAutLetum 6 years, 4 months ago
    From the little bit of research I have performed thus far it seems that this quote has been erroneously attributed to Tyler possibly in an attempt to give it more credibility. Also the first paragraph and life-cycle list were very likely authored by two different people. And thirdly, who is “Olson”?
    I bring these points up because I intend to redistribute (I know, I hate using that word) the above text because it is very well written and quite tragically historically accurate but I fear that it is far too easily argued that if the ascription is false or incorrect then so is the message in general.
    I will copy the above text but will omit any names when sharing this information until, or if ever I should say, I can find out who truly authored these brilliant yet unfortunate words. Any input is appreciated.
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    • Posted by 6 years, 4 months ago
      Thanks for researching that, there is way too much erroneous stuff out there today. However the concept is correct, and I've heard it before in many forms. The other side probably put the erroneous names to it so we'd find something else to keep our minds occupied and off the real issues.

      After all I guess I'd consider Atlas Shrugged and most of the other Ayn Rand books to be fictional, but I read them as if they were my bible. It's the ideas, the concepts, that I agree with, not necessarily the authors. Did anyone see Richard Dreyfuss debate Dinesh D'Souza on Huckabee last night? Where did Dreyfuss get his credentials from? I thought it was embarrassing and could not understand why they even aired it, perhaps to show the Hollywood side?.
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  • Posted by BambiB 6 years, 4 months ago
    You will note that Americans didn't start to vote themselves generous gifts from the treasury until after the passage of the 19th Amendment. Today, women receive 2:1 welfare benefits compared to men. Anyone want to guess how they're voting? Here's a hint: The gender gap to RE-elect Obozo was 20%.

    With 47% of the Country on food stamps, we're well past apathy (not that anyone cares) and well into dependence.

    The one hopeful sign is 300 million firearms in private hands. Given the choice, how many would vote for anarchy over bondage?
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    • Posted by LibertasAutLetum 6 years, 4 months ago
      The time period you refer to of 1920 does not seem accurate. I believe closer to the mid 30s, the era of "The New Deal", would be more likely to blame than something like women's suffrage. Besides, up until about 30 years ago the vast majority of women voted for whoever their husband did. Even in this day and age my wife asks me who she should vote for in local and state elections because we are politically like-minded and she knows I perform thorough research. If anything I would say men in general are to blame for women being on foodstamps because there are certain cultures in our society that think its some sort of game to go around and get as many women pregnant as possible and then disappear.
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