Sorry jbrenner and evlwhtguy but Allosaur beat you both to it.

Posted by $ allosaur 20 hours, 10 minutes ago
They are drooling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb-Yu...

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Maybe so.

Hi TWOberry, Thank you for your comment.
You are FREE to identify with any group you wish. Your approach to this topic is fair and ethical.
But If the left says they have no sympathy because they (country music fans) are President Trump supporters SORRY That is "politicization"
it is a bad start to any dialog. Another bad start is when the left lies and says the weapon used was because gun laws are lax in Nevada.

This guy committed at least 575 crimes that would be same in crimes in every state.

He then took his own life, what would you do make a law that says he can't die after committing these crimes?

With that said if there are reasonable ideas to explore and to help prevent these horrid acts, I am all for it. Mental Health is a big issue in this
debate IMHO.

Well said. Even though your describing yourself as "liberal" makes me cringe a bit, I agree that name calling just makes people less receptive to intelligent discussion. I think the problem lies with trying to determine what the problem is prior to jumping on one bandwagon of "gun control." Criminals will not follow laws. If you ban guns, you have to ban trucks, knives, fertilizer, pool acid, etc. It's not the instrument as much as it is the mental state of individuals. An example of the slippery slope of passing more laws would be like banning detachable magazines so crazies couldn't kill as many people quickly, and would be no different than banning cattle guards for the front of pickups if someone drove through a crowd. His truck would drive much longer going through bodies with a cattle guard than without. Once again, the instrument is not the problem, it is mental health.

Of course that is my opinion and may differ from yours, but you don't see folks from either side of the aisle changing their attitudes about a solution...

You've got that right. They are drooling so badly that they have puddles around them. BTW, the CBS lawyer was fired, but like Rush said, "How many more are there just like her." What a bunch of slime balls they are.

She is uneducated to the topic. There is no such thing as a "silencer" for a .556 weapon. At best you can suppress it down a bit, but it is FAR from "silent." A full auto (or bump fired) AR 15 with a suppressor is still going to make a lot of noise, especially with supersonic ammo. Sub sonic ammo wouldn't have enough velocity to cause major carnage from that distance. It just goes to show you the ignorance of most from the left.

I definitely agree about not hearing Republicans say they have no sympathy for victims. That is truly horrible what that commentator said and is an example of how Democrats are often much more "hateful" than Republicans. It is also very evident that the majority of those on the left have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to firearms. Their terminology and explanations of weapons/ammunition/accessories is nearly always incorrect or misleading at best.

Well it is different in that I have never heard from republicans they have no sympathy for the victims. BTW I have voted independent for most of my life. Both parties have never done me or my family any good.
This guy broke the law over 575 times at a minimum. When the left lies about lax gun laws in Nevada. The NRA is responsible and amendment 2 proponents don't care about kids in the daycare massacre on and on.

Yes dialog at the proper time with both groups and do not take away the 2nd amendment.

I think it is not in my best interests to have massive fire power that is not secure available to everyone, what massive fire power is could be debated.
Mental health taken over by big pharma is another failure in this enlightened world of the 21st century.

Disgusting. So disgusting.

A “caring” aftermath tweet from hillary clinton clearly shows her agenda:
“The crowd fled at the sound of gunshots. Imagine the deaths if the shooter had a silencer, which the NRA wants to make easier to get.”

I'm not a big cry baby but I have to admit that some of the stories coming out of this event have had me experiencing some allergy-like symptoms. Very, very sad event. That somebody would use this for political gain is hard to comprehend... We're really sliding over the abyss. People who use this for political gain should be publicly called out...

Just the same questions to be asked over and over. "What kind of law would you have passed that would have prevented this tragedy, rather than the laws already in place?" How would the absence of legitimate gun owners have prevented this event? Plus one statement. If you ban the legitimate ownership of guns you'll get just as many guns and of poorer quality.
Don't you people learn from experience?

Honestly this is not any different than what the right does as well if the narrative fits. When a muslim terrorist attacks, the right immediately brings up the topic of needing to be less lenient in immigration or border control laws. I have always said though, the only thing worse than a Republican is a Democrat...

Do we need stricter immigration standards and better border protection? Probably. Do we need to discuss solutions to mass shootings? Probably. I am an ENORMOUS proponent of the second amendment, and there are some gun control laws on the books that are absolutely illogical and pointless, but there are also some common sense things that we need to look towards a solution. Making things illegal doesn't keep a criminal from breaking the law. Should bump fire stocks be listed as a class 3 item? Perhaps. Should there be background checks prior to buying of any firearm? Perhaps (I know that has nothing to do with this particular shooting since he passed background checks). Should folks who are prescribed antipsychotic medications be allowed to buy firearms? Perhaps not.

Bottom line, there is nothing wrong with a logical , EDUCATED debate about firearms, mass murderers, and mental health. If this guy didn't have access to "scary" black rifles, would he have driven through the crowd in a rented box truck, killing and maiming just as many people? Perhaps. The real issue is how mental health correlates to access to firearms, box trucks, bomb making materials, knives, etc. We are a country of people who think we are dependent upon mind altering medications, prescribed by unethical doctors looking for a kickback from Pfizer. The solution likely isn't going to lie with banning detachable magazines, but in our mental health.

When we get in to it we are going to find that this guy is a liberal wack job...just like the killer that shot Gabby Giffords and killed a few others. Average Middle class schmuck NRA members just dont do these sorts of things...just like police do not hunt unarmed black men in the hood.

You beat me to it!

You never let a serious crisis go to waste.

The right would do the same, if the event had anything to do with abortion. They are all scum of the swamp.

"Unhinged and/or evil people are an unfortunate part of the human expirience" Yes. That is why a person who lies, steals, cheats, assaults and murders is a threat to us all. The coddling of criminals and the excuses given for their evil , do mankind no favors. You give an example of a week of auto accidents that impact families as well as sudden health issues that change lives with great grief. I concur but they are not of an evil source. I think you would agree a better example would be a couple of weeks in Chicago and the violence in the failed social experiment called public housing and welfare that destroys the nuclear family.If you add a publicly taught sentiment of blame on a 150 years deceased slavery or a subjective negative from prejudiced thoughts. Blame, it creates no responsibility.
Thus taking away responsibility for actions
means you don't have any control over your life and the value of life is deminished. Morals and principals are learned, if all were taught to live with their own ETHICAL self interest violence would disappear.

I have watched zero coverage of it. Suppose the media took a week to review nothing but the 50 people killed and 500 people injured during by cars on any random workday between 7am and 7pm. It would have personal stories about how they just got married, just had a baby, or at just retired and planned to travel the world. I would end up so depressed watching that.

My wife does a lot of estate planning work, and to hear her cases it sounds like pancreatic cancer and sudden cardiovascular problems are everywhere. It's one case after another of these diseases suddenly striking previously healthy normal people. You have to do what you can to help and then do something interesting or fun.

A random mass-murder event is worse b/c some unhinged and/or evil person did it on purpose. I don't give a whit if he was motivated by politics, religion, or his ex-wife. We want great tragedies to have great causes and great solutions, but it doesn't work out that way. Unhinged and/or evil people are an unfortunate part of the human experience.

Yes!! Based on that quote, she left it to the listener to decide if the question is shameless.

The evil hag and the chi town mayor must be colluding with the Chinese. That idea of crisis and opportunity being connected has been mistakenly
Used by the livs for 50+ yrs.“The explication of the Chinese word for crisis as made up of two components signifying danger and opportunity is due partly to wishful thinking, but mainly to a fundamental misunderstanding about how terms are formed in Mandarin and other Sinitic languages.” -Victor H. Mair

While this linguistic faux pas, no doubt, dates much further back, it was perhaps a speech delivered by President John F. Kennedy, in Indianapolis on April 12, 1959 that is most memorable. In his speech, Kennedy incorrectly said, “The Chinese use two brush strokes to write the word ‘crisis.’ One brush stroke stands for danger; the other for opportunity.”

Well the truth never matters anyway with these Kakistocrats.

Laughing...

Ahh, you are the best at pointing out the mutants.. Thanks OUC