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The Bane of McCain

Posted by Herb7734 1 year ago to Politics
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I'm from the Vince Flynn school of intelligence gathering.The current movie "American Assassin" is based on one of his books. Only one character is portrayed accurately, he is played by Michael Keaton to a fair-thee-well and makes the whole film worth seeing.That performance made me think of John McCain and what it takes to withstand torture.

The current paradigm purports that torture doesn't work. You cannot say that to anyone who has performed it or has suffered it. ".....if you try to convince people in thousand dollar suits who had Ivy League law degrees that torture was an effective and necessary tool against an enemy who refused to put on a uniform and intentionally targeted civilians, you'd be wasting your breath." Most operatives are well aware that torture, if given enough time, will inevitably break the strongest of wills. That is particularly true when psychological torture is combined with physical torture.

Because of our squeamishness about torture and being forbidden to practice it, the subject to be tortured is sent to countries where it is happily used such as Saudi Arabia.While a book can be written about the effectiveness of torture the only ones benefiting from it are the ones doing it.> The results have been so redacted that the result is useless to us and useful to the torturers. Those being "questioned" usually wind up dead after a week or two.If you believe as I do that that torture is effective and should be used when our people's lives are on the line, we now come to Senator John McCain.I have done little research of a psychological or biographical study of Senator McCain.I cannot know for certain that as a prisoner he was subject to torture or not.I do know that as a result of his stay at the hands of the enemy he has lost the proper use of his arms.According to the story, he was subjected to week and moths of torture and never broke. Through the influence of his family he was given the chance to walk away but preferred to stay with his men.So Senator McCain was that one person in a thousand who couldn't be broken by torture. However, when he ran for president, I could hardly wait to support this great hero. But instead, I observed this rather wimpy guy with repeating slogans and talking points. If I heard him say "My friends" one more time, I'd throw a shoe at the TV. Could it be as claimed by McCain's fellow prisoners that he broke and became an information conduit for the enemy who covered his treason by portraying it as heroism?

To sum up, I was not surprised when Senator McCain showed his true colors by not helping Trump get us out of Obamacare and admitting that there was no possible way he would ever vote for anything Trump put forth. Like the vengeful child he is, he had been insulted by Trump and would get back at him every chance he got and to hell with what was best for his constituents who are paying from what I understand the highest premiums for health insurance.


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    Posted by scojohnson 1 year ago
    I look at the torture story, and then look at the other facts about John McCain and I can't reconcile the two. Truthfully, I think the never-broken thing is bullshit.

    John McCain graduated near the bottom of his naval academy class. Normally, this is not the recruiting zone for naval combat fighter pilots on aircraft carriers - but in his case it was. Daddy being a flag officer / admiral no-doubt helped then-ensign McCain.

    McCain inadvertently armed and fired an air to air missile while running through his preflight on the deck of the Forrestal. Witnesses (ground crew) stated he was passed off prior to the incident because he was at the back of the take-off line. The resulting explosions, fire, over 100 casualties, and the crippling of an aircraft carrier during time of war should have ended his career, but instead the Navy conducts an exhaustive research effort into proving the missile could have armed itself and fired. If there was anything to it, we could have assumed Raytheon or whoever made it would have been responsible, but nothing like that happened - just more funding for 'safety' weapons that also happened to have better effectiveness at a time when naval pilots were struggling.

    Upon returning from captivity, McCain soon dumped the pretty young wife that had wrote letters, lobbied, and waited for his release for Cindy (who happened to be cuter, richer, and more of a trophy for the 'hero' that could also get him into congress.

    His time in Congress has been that of an unremarkable RINO, and basically a turncoat. The only thing he did well was see the spark in Sarah Palin that wasn't good necessarily for McCain but certainly sparked an enduring conservative movement and opposition to Obama (at McCain's displeasure).

    So if you look at the evidence of behavior surrounding events for which we only have his word - and that of a few sailors easily ordered to stick to a story by a flag officer - then I have a hard time buying one narrative versus another. Be sure to Google fire on the Forrestal and John McCain.
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  • Posted by Abaco 1 year ago
    Don't like McCain. He's a statist leftist in my eyes.

    I don't think governments should be allowed to torture nor execute people. That's not to say that I don't think there's no purpose for those things. Somebody harms a kid and a little work with the pliers might be appropriate...just not by a government representative. KnowwhatImean?...
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  • Posted by  $  Dobrien 1 year ago
    Vince Flynn another Irish Catholic fron St. Paul. His uncle was my 7th grade teacher. Vince suffered from Dyslexia. To over come his problem he didn't pray for help, he started a strong regiment of reading and writing .He was influenced by Clancy , Hemingway, Vidal, Tolkien.

    Like most of the Vietnam war era events , the truth is murky. John Kerry painted a different image of his actions than many others who witnessed them. It seems that McCains peers would have an idea if their playbook was leaked and who could be the leaker. What ever the true story, he has been a phony exposed in his presidential run. To me he handed the election to the community rights activist.
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    • Posted by 1 year ago
      I had two problems learning to read. Dyslexia caused me to constantly switch letters and words. I decided to slough my way through a novel and read it over and over until I got it perfect. What book? "Alice In Wonderland" which was filled with weird sentences and creatures. I over came that except for an occasional goof. But my really bad habit took over a year to fix. My mom liked to read to me from children's bookswhen I was 3 or 4. We'd both sit on a sofa and she'd put the book down between us and read. After a while I started following along except that I was "reading" upside down. In first grade the teacher asked who could read the first book story. I volunteered. She handed me the book, which I turned upside down and read. At first she thought it was a joke. Then she realized that she had to teach me how to unread so she could teach me to read.
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      • Posted by ScaryBlackRifle 1 year ago
        I had dyslexia in kindergarten / 1st grade. It was real work to read. But my Dad built a bookshelf in the living room and was his first ever piece of decorative woodwork.

        He filled it with Colliers Encyclopedia (on a payment plan!), MAJOR dictionaries, Readers Digest Condensed books and a KJV Bible. By the end of 1st grade, my "standard" English was KJV and my second language was midwest English. :-)
        And I worked my way through every page on that bookshelf and, basically a book a day every day throughout school. Then the pace fell off somewhat to maybe a book a week, sometimes 3-4 if they were paperback.

        Once I COULD read, I did.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 1 year ago
    McCain brings to mind the movie "Manchurian Candidate" albeit with slightly different plot.
    "John McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."
    ;^)
    Every rational American who has listened to John McCain speak has endured one form of mental torture.
    Those who voted for him rank in rational thought along with those who voted for O and Hitlery.
    McCain embodies everything that is wrong with the Senate.
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  • Posted by rbroberg 1 year ago
    Like you, I thought of McCain as a hero and can't agree with your current assessment more. I am sure psychologically, the Senator was broken. The strong and authoritative leader image McCain had is rendered obsolete in the era of Trump. Destroying the new healthcare plan puts McCain back on track for making news. Perhaps he is even telling himself he is a hero for opposing the President who is caricatured as a helpless oaf and a big bully. A helpless oaf who has cut tens of thousands of pages of regulations and a big bully who stands up against despotic communists. Go figure!
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    • Posted by 1 year ago
      I have given up trying to figure the liberal mind.
      I constantly drive my cousins crazy, You know what makes them really nuts? The fact that I love some of the same art, music, plays, etc. that they do. All conservatives must be knuckle dragging neanderthals so how could cousin Herb love (you name it) like I do.
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      • Posted by JuliBMe 1 year ago
        Herb, figuring out the liberal mind is easy. Just go back to the schoolyard and imagine all the bullies, the immaturity, the jockeying for position (no matter the cost), the arrogance brought on by never having to suffer the consequences of a bad decision, and you have the liberal mind. They are evil little children who never learned or weren't taught the value of....well, values. Not to mention the golden rule and how to play well with others.
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  • Posted by SteveFoerster 1 year ago
    I didn't get the connection you may have been trying to draw between his vote on ObamaCare and whether he was tortured by the VC fifty years ago. I mean, I'm hardly a fan of McCain, but he's an old school Senator who may simply believe that enduring legislation on a controversial issue like healthcare comes out of bipartisanship, and that anything less will be doomed as soon as the other party takes power.

    I also wonder how Objectivist a position it can possibly be to support government torture, but that's an aside.
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    • Posted by  $  Dobrien 1 year ago
      "on a controversial issue like healthcare comes out of bipartisanship, and that anything less will be doomed as soon as the other party takes power." You mean like when the republicans take the executive branch , the house, and the senate. I am still waiting for ACA to be doomed with RINO frauds like McCaint and McConman and lyingRyan.
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      • Posted by 1 year ago
        The true problem with healthcare is that Obama turned an item that was not the province of government and made it so it can never be taken away. There simply is no way to make it work, but so long as we're all playing "let's pretend" then at least try to get it as close to free market as possible.
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    • Posted by taksavillage1 1 year ago
      There were no Republicans when Obamacare came into existence. Who in the world thinks a failing partisan law designed to undo our Republic can be allowed to exist???
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      • Posted by 1 year ago
        It was a bitter pill when the Republicans couldn't even kill Obamacare temporarilly.What a bunch of weenies. And men I thought I admired showed off their feet of clay, such as Cruz and Rand. I'm disgusted with the lot of them.
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    • Posted by 1 year ago

      Forster:
      The connection is the character difference between a hero or a traitor. That kind of character would not hesitate to cause his constituents to suffer because he was piqued at Trump. That is the mentality of a vengeful child.As to torture, I think you may want to balance not only good vs evil, but the degree of good vs. evil. Rand often dealt in B&W and left out shades of gray. So...the old proposition: While torture is ugly, would you use it to save 100 persons? 50? 10? Your best friend? Your son?
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  • Posted by chad 1 year ago
    No reason for McCain not to vote for the 'non' repeal bill that actually worsens Obamacare other than he wanted to because he is a socialist. If the Republican bill had passed national single payer health insurance would be closer to being a reality. There is no repeal in the works and never has been one. Once the crowd started chanting 'repeal and replace' it was a forgone conclusion that it is never going away.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 1 year ago
    I respect McCain for his war record. I voted for him in 2008 as the only alternative to Obama. I never agreed with his "campaign finance reform", believing it to be unjust and un-Constitutional. And I
    don't like the way he has been behaving in Congress, and I am very disappointed at their failure to get rid of Obamacare.
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