The Path To Revolution

Posted by Herb7734 3 months, 3 weeks ago to Politics
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The perfect dramatic symbolism in the form of kneeling during the National Anthem has swept the nation.It has struck home quicker and more powerfully than any slogan with the possible exception of "Let's Make America Great, Again." Can it be that this will translate into the first step toward revolution? Its swift embrace by the left and its obviously dramatic presentation divides the country as quickly as a hot knife slicing through a pound of oleo.Is this finally the rallying point?It's going to be an interesting winter sports season.


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  • Posted by JuliBMe 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    My take is a bit different. I tend to look at the big picture from a political aspect and what I see is the on-going effort to bring down America by the left. Displays of patriotism, in all its forms, breeds more patriotism. Mostly if you're older, you sometimes hear the anthem or see a child waving the American flag and get weepy and proud of this great nation. Well, the left knows this, too. AND, to them, IT MUST STOP.

    Now, the lefties are lying and saying that this "Take A Knee" action at sporting events is a 1st Amendment rights issue and that is why every sports team is now doing this disrespectful action. They only cite the Constitution when it fits their narrative. Otherwise, they despise it as evidenced by left-wing colleges (a majority of colleges) putting a stop by intimidation of right-wing speakers. There's a rule in the NFL that the players must stand for the anthem. Private business can regulate behavior. The NFL has been infected by Leftie disease and cowardliness. The fact that by and large, the American people are offended makes the arrogant left very happy. The American people did not forget who started this, what he stated his reasoning was, nor this "cute" display of cops as pigs on his socks.

    So, to the left, what is the end game? Well, they hate business, especially businesses that "regular" people enjoy, so destroying football overall is one goal. Barring that, the other goal is to have all displays of patriotism removed from games. They would also stop 4th of July celebrations, parades, and other flag-waving events if they could. But, they'll start with this, and they WILL continue this effort until they win.
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    • Posted by 3 months, 3 weeks ago
      Watch as they start demanding changes to revered words in the Anthem, the Declaration, the Constitution. Eventually it will devolve into the same old 1984 type slogans of the past and the USA becomes a footnote in history.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    I wonder when watching sports and many other activities, just what the pretend patriotism means? I do not consider anything other than loving the USA and its founding documents along with the willingness of defending that as patriotic. Forcing children to take an oath every day, which means they are considered to have lied the day before so the oath must be taken again, does nothing for producing patriots. All countries have patriots, even North Korea. I see the USA slowly trying to change real patriots into just those who religiously go along. As for the flag, its over use has made it into a watered down symbol which is desecrated everywhere with little meaningless flags thrown in the trash after events. Must one see flags everywhere in order to have the concept 'The Flag' have some patriotic meaning? Must every event have an anthem played to have 'The Anthem' have a patriotic meaning? The concept of 'Patriotism' is cheapened with such events. Patriots need no symbols to love and defend the great USA.
    Looking forward to the knee jerk responses to this post. I will defend the USA but not as a slave in a draft, but as an underground resistance fighter on my terms. I am unable to take orders. I guess that makes me unpatriotic by contemporary standards.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    imo, it is completely ignorable, and that should be Trump's response. It's a distraction, same as everything else the MSM has done since the election. Letting the MSM set the agenda with tripe is a mistake. Do the work you were elected to do. Resist the twitter addiction.
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    • Posted by term2 3 months, 3 weeks ago
      I agree. He stirs them up, and then wastes time (I would say that tweets dont take that much time, though) fighting them. Same to be said for N Korea. He said that if N Korea attacks, we will obliterate them (and we probably would). Thats all fat boy dictator needs to hear. After that statement, Trump should just ignore the prattlings of the boy king.
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    • Posted by 3 months, 3 weeks ago
      That would work for Bush. I don't think it will for http://Trump.At this point failure to respond would be akin to agreement. He has put himself in this position whether intentionally not. Any time a politician sets something in motion, it becomes veritably impossible to change it. Health insurance a perfect example.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 3 months, 3 weeks ago
        Silence is only agreement that the actions of an employee are the responsibility of his employer. This is not a fedgov issue. Its a stupid distraction from trump's goals- and Trump is stupidly playing right into the strength of the MSM. Health insurance policy is easy to change - by us. Refuse to play. Take responsibility for your own health and tell the gov, AMA, pharma, and insurance "industry" (using that term loosely for those who chip the pot, not produce) to suck eggs. Those who are healthy exit from the system and it will collapse as all socialist systems collapse.
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        • Posted by 3 months, 3 weeks ago
          I have this fantasy that everyone has agreed that a gross impossibility is a real actuality. As a result they a try to make it work, but no matter how they bend and twist it, compress or stretch it, it just never seems to come together. The reason is because it is a Gross Impossibility and pretending that it isn't, doesn't make it so. Government run healthcare, or healthcare insurance can never work by its very nature. One size doesn't fit all. And you'll never get a size 10 foot into a size 6 shoe. I guess it isn't a fantasy after all.
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  • Posted by  $  IndianaGary 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    Over the last 30 years or so I have been an occasional fan of the NFL and of MLB, although I'm not really into team sports. I definitely prefer individual sports such as tennis and golf.

    I find the recent brouhaha of the anthem and flag more than mildly nauseating, because of the disrespect it shows to those of us who defend the country, locally, like police, and globally, like the military.

    Of course, the goal is not dialog or discussion or debate; it is the destruction of the country as it was created. Flawed, though it is, it is still the best thing to happen to the world. A place where capitalism thrives (or did) and people can deal with each other as equals through trade, not as adversaries with violence. BLM, Antifa, the KKK, and other collectivist groups, like the New York Times and the MSM are different sides of the same coin. They feed off one another and leave nothing but destruction in their path. At 74, I'm not likely to see the end of the road we're traveling, but it doesn't look good. We are turning into the Peoples States of America, just another failed experiment in socialism. Because of what we have created in the past, it will take a long time for the other collectivist states of the world to pick our bones, but when the light goes out here, it will be the last light to go out in the world. Atlas Shrugged is a mere glimpse of the dystopian world we are likely headed for. I do hope that there are Galts out there to rebuild after the fall. If not, the new Dark Ages will make the last one look like a night in jail.
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    • Posted by mccannon01 3 months, 3 weeks ago
      +++1 IndianaGuy! Your last paragraph plucked some of the thoughts right out of my head and put them to words! I've likened the USA to a big flywheel of wealth those before us and many of us added energy to and now the collectivists are just sucking that energy out and it's spinning back down. It will stop and in the far future Ayn Rand's "Anthem" may play out as non-fiction.
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      • Posted by 3 months, 3 weeks ago
        Read all my replies.
        On 2nd thought, don't bother, you've already got it.
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        • Posted by mccannon01 3 months, 3 weeks ago
          I read and enjoy your posts immensely, Herb7734. As a fellow old guy I've worked since I was 12 and put a lot of energy into that flywheel. Retired now so I'm taking a bit back out. Oh wait... I'm helping a friend with a startup company so maybe a lot more will be going back in for the looters to loot and maybe the Republic will last at least until after I'm gone. Maybe I should just go Galt, but I like what I'm doing and just can't help myself.
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          • Posted by 3 months, 3 weeks ago
            You could have taken the words right out of my mouth. (very unsanitary).If there is a God, it's really a joker. I finally have time to enjoy doing whatever I want but my body is refusing to cooperate. So, I just try to see how much trouble I can get into.
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  • Posted by wiggys 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    this act of protest will ultimately wither a way when the protestors get tired of doing it. the advertisers who look to the super bowl may very well not show up. when endorsement start going away the "stars" will start to think about their actions. they may wake up and realize they are supporting bad guys. themn they may come to the real reality that they are paid to ENTERTAIN!
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    • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 3 months, 3 weeks ago
      I hope that you are right. But I think the left is doing this just to create mayhem and to keep pitting Americans against each other. In the meantime, they have ruined and politicized yet another American institution. Can football recover? I don't think so unless the owners get some guts.
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  • Posted by  $  Abaco 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    I was realizing yesterday how my viewing habits of pro football have changed over the past 15 years. I think, for me, it started when the 9ers hired Lawrence Phillips (probably Bill Walsh's first signs of dementia - which I was opening saying he had long before he retired). Then, is was the pink socks and towels. Then, it was the TSA style searches when getting into a Raiders game. Then, it was the players getting caught torturing dogs and beating their wives but being allowed to keep their job. By the time this kneeling started I wasn't even paying attention. I was already so removed from it. And, I played football into college. Loved the game. But, I just couldn't really relate. On my high school team if you were caught drinking a beer you were off the team. Kept me out of trouble. This is a whole other paradigm. If these guys started lighting themselves on fire I'd not notice.
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  • Posted by jdg 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    I'm not so sure the http://mises.org people don't have the right idea. Just depoliticize sports by not playing the anthem. Then people will realize the ball park is not the place to vent their views.

    BTW, I find the headline stupid. No one, even the Brits who kill each other over soccer games, is going to start a revolution over sports or behavior at sports games.
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    • Posted by 3 months, 3 weeks ago
      Please note that it is "The Path To." It occurred to me that a bunch of football millionaires kneeling during the playing of the anthem is as potent a symbol as the flag raising on Iwo Jima or other iconic images. Better than a hammer and sickle or a swastika.
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  • Posted by starznbarz 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    Imagine the results if the same Americans that are pissed at and boycotting the nfl would turn their sights on the media companies that are now, and have been, attacking America using the profits from theme parks, sports channels, etc. to do it.
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    • Posted by 3 months, 3 weeks ago
      The people have the power. At least for a while. It doesn't really matter because as it looks today, if they would unite to use that power it would be for leftist causes.
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  • Posted by chad 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    I hardly think these sports players (at least very few of them) have any idea what objectivism is and are not interested in much more than their fame and what they think they will accomplish with their acts to become more famous, not changers of any ideals.
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    • Posted by 3 months, 3 weeks ago
      Aren't these the same guys who waited after school to beat the crap out of you? And people used to ask how I got so many dents and cracks in my trombone case.
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      • Posted by chad 3 months, 3 weeks ago
        Same ones. I thought playing sports was about sportsmanship and playing within the rules to win with superior athletic ability. Found out when participating the winners are most often the ones who can cheat without being caught. So much for learning life's lessons.
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        • Posted by 3 months, 3 weeks ago
          Disappointing.Not even Superman espouses "Truth, Justice, and The American Way" anymore.We are too sophisticated to adhere to such simplistic mottos.
          Or are we?
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  • Posted by  $  blarman 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    It's a start, and if one adds in the riots which have increased in frequency and violence, there are certainly the makings of something, but at this point its pretty localized.

    The one thing I look at is that these riots are only happening in the big cities where people get easily disconnected from reality - and food. If they do turn into major disturbances, they'll die out in a month when nobody has anything to eat because the trucks aren't bringing food in.
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  • Posted by JohnTurnbull 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    The UK went through a similar protest about 50 years ago. When audiences stopped standing for the national anthem, we just stopped playing it - End of problem.
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  • Posted by term2 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    I think its the end of big sports, run by billionaires and employing millionairs, while the fans pay the bills and watch the stupid ads.

    Sports was supposed to be fun and a chance to get behind teams and root for them. Now it has become a big money thing with entitled players making stupid demands, and the NFL setting restrictions on players (like they cant wear BEATS headphones because Bose supports NFL).
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    • Posted by bsmith51 3 months, 3 weeks ago
      Sports is how people brain-dump their worries and cares for a few hours. Now unable to do that, people will take their need for stress relief elsewhere.
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      • Posted by 3 months, 3 weeks ago
        They are entertainers.The same as actors, and singers, and comedians.You're right, they are stress relief. Add stress to entertainment and the entertainment is no longer doing its job.
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      • Posted by term2 3 months, 3 weeks ago
        AGREED. I think BIG SPORTS has been dancing on the edge of disaster for awhile now, and this might just be the straw that broke the camel's back. Its run too much for pure money these days, and the tide is turning against the millionaire ghetto players
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    "dramatic presentation divides the country "
    This is true, but I don't think it makes a revolution. I predict in one year, most people will hardly remember any of this. The reason I say that is there are no revolutionary ideas in play. I woukd be shocked if it merits mention in American history books, like the other dramatically - presented photos, protests, or art.

    There is decent chance I'll be wrong. We need to check back in a year.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    The left is obsessed with sensationalism that purposely creates hate and division in American society. Propaganda rags like the NYT and Washington Post print anything that paints the U.S. as an evil empire, seething with racial and religious hate, while at the same time they boil over with racist hatred of whites and Christians (of any race).

    There is no real difference today between the Democrat party and the Communist Party of the USA. Both seek the destruction of individual freedom and our capitalist economy.

    The Republicans are the gang who can't shoot straight, blundering about like Keystone Cops, or maybe it's all shadow play to help the Democrats succeed in their goals. In any event, between the GOP purists who insist the elephant must be eaten in one gulp or not at all, and the RINOs who whine about bipartisanship in the face of an implacable enemy, we are being poorly served and will be handed over to the will of the left, even though they are a minority.

    Maybe the NFL will shoot themselves in the foot. These useful idiots don't appreciate their good fortune, and deserve to lose it. They're destroying themselves serving a left that sees them as a tool to bludgeon American pride, self respect, and patriotism, and nothing else.

    If I had the resources I'd put money into arena football as an alternative. I haven't watched an NFL game in 30 years, preferring college football as much more interesting.
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    • Posted by 3 months, 3 weeks ago
      Washington in its current state reminds me of when I was in a body that actually worked and I wanted to join the baseball game but I couldn't because the kid who owned the ball wouldn't let me. Washington = the kid.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 months, 3 weeks ago
        I think I'll revise my comment about arena football. I think bikini football would attract more audience. I actually watched one of these games, and the ladies were surprisingly good, as well as being good to look at.
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        • Posted by 3 months, 3 weeks ago
          Tsk,tsk.
          However, in complete agreement.
          I'm so old that when bikinis first came out, I said "Women will never wear those to the beach." Happily - I was wrong.
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  • Posted by  $  IndianaGary 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    Herb, If you remember oleo then you must be older than I am. ;-}
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    • Posted by 3 months, 3 weeks ago
      83 and still counting.
      I keep forgetting to stop using such archaic terms. But it might cause some of the younger Gulchers (anyone under 65) to look some stuff up.
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    • Posted by mccannon01 3 months, 3 weeks ago
      Hey, Indy, how old do you have to be? We called margarine "oleo" clear into the '70s, LOL! I can still remember my dad saying "I don't want any of that oleo crap! Bring the real butter!".
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      • Posted by 3 months, 3 weeks ago
        During the aftermath of WW2 there was a shortage of everything. Certain people were passing oleo off as real butter, so in order to prevent this, the manufacturers put out margerine without the yellow coloring, But there was a little yellow dot. Press down on the dot and it broke, whereupon you kneaded the margerine and the yellow spread a viola! Yellow oleo. Put it in the fridge for a while to firm it up. Oh how we sacrificed in those days of yore.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 3 months, 3 weeks ago
    I would love to see at one of these events a platoon size group of military veterans in uniform march out on to the field a face down those Communist athletes with sharpened piked American Flags. Then we'll see who are the real cowards are.
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