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  • Posted by dteselle 6 years, 7 months ago
    I don't believe these groups care about anyone's civil rights but their own. What they really care about is power. Feminists have no interest in helping women and children living under sharia. BLM are racist and advocate violence. Antifa are themselves fascists. These groups can't garner widespread support because few people respect their actions. So, they embrace each other and repeat their lies in the hope that it will undermine the current structure.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 6 years, 7 months ago
    They are not fighting for civil rights. They are trying to destabilize the current administration and they come up with these "rights" meme's so they can recruit useful idiots to swell their ranks.
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  • Posted by chad 6 years, 7 months ago
    I don't think any of these movements ever had as their goal to make things fair (equal not being the same thing as fair). Their demand to be equal is to demand that the any particular group be represented by the same percentage in any business or profession and if they are not then someone needs to be fined or imprisoned is the same as the slavery or Jim Crow laws they protest. These movements are about convincing the government and the populace to behave in the same manner as what they supposedly hate. To ensure they can use the violence authorized by the state to plunder others and give to them in quest to make things 'equal'. I once worked for a grocery store chain that was fined $5000 every year for not having someone of African descent working there. I lived in a very small town and there were no African Americans who lived there so the people paid more for their necessities because of something that could not be helped. I was also told if an African American ever applied someone was going to be gone so they could save the money, not because the individual being hired might be better suited to the job.
    As far as who should vote I say almost no one should have that right. It was once noted by a Roman Emperor that the more people he could give the vote to the more likely he could be emperor for life and do whatever he liked to the Romans, civil rights would be damned by the populace who would give up their rights to be entertained by the state, have their food and property stolen by the state and when some of it was returned to them they would celebrate and praise those who ruled them. I understand the original constitutional law that only those who had property could vote, in other words those who had something to lose if the wrong character become a lawmaker. However watching those who are worth billions get on board with the socialists I don't know that was a good qualifier either. The only vote that really counts is my ability to say no. When Obamacare is voted into being and I am approached if I can say no and have that respected then I don't care what is authorized by 'law'. If I can't say no then I am a dead man because the majority will always vote to steal my property, my authority over my own life and anything else they can get their hands on without killing me for a dead slave is not a productive slave and has nothing to steal.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 6 years, 7 months ago
    These groups rub me the wrong way, because they treat people as "we" rather than "I", and make them herd animals. Secondly, they sell them on the fact they are all victims. They diminish the value of the individual and their personal abilities to make responsible decisions and act on them, Instead, the brain-dead members of these groups go around spouting talking points and seeking revenge for wrongs that either were long ago solved, or cannot be solved on a group basis. Long ago when college tried to sell me on feminist courses, I said no thanks, no way was i falling into that trap. I was already an individual, well aware of what I had to do as such to prove my ability, and it worked. I always felt it was up to me to do my job so as to gain the respect that work deserved, and I did not need a bunch of "sisters" telling me to be angry. The same goes for blacks, who long ago earned respect as talented real musicians, not rappers. Firtzergerald, Horne, Callaway, Armstrong, Eubie Blake, rose through personal talent, not group think or protests.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 6 years, 7 months ago
    You can include in this unions. They all started out with a legitimate concern about something basic: human rights, dignity, work conditions, etc. All sought to continue to exist after their initial goals had been achieved by inventing a continuation of the abuses. All operate based on invented abuses and inequalities, seeking not for equality, but superiority. They should all be shunned by sane people because they have no logical basis and have turned to emotional manipulation and mob rule.
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    • Posted by term2 6 years, 7 months ago
      I am not sure I even agree that the unions were good in the first place. An employee doesnt have a right to "dignity","work conditions". If the employer doesnt provide a good deal for an employee, the employee should be able to just NOT take the job and leave the employer looking for someone else.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 6 years, 7 months ago
        In today's world, I agree. Most of the unions originated in the major cities who had excesses of migrant labor and took advantage of them. It is neither in the employer nor the employee's interest to suffer injury or dismemberment (or especially death) on the job, yet many of these employers knew of the dangerous conditions yet did nothing (including offering remuneration in the case of accidents) because the supply of labor devalued human life itself. In this the unions at the time had (in my opinion) a legitimate complaint and the only effective method for forcing amelioration was communal banding and strikes. The workers themselves did not have the financial independence to move to other cities to seek employment and many struggled with language as well, so we should remember that it was not quite the free labor market advocated by Adam Smith.

        That being said, however, that time is long since past. Now unions do more to impede both business and worker alike than can be tolerated in today's age. While I do not support the notion of outlawing unions because it violates the First Amendment right to Association, I do support the outlawing of public labor unions, meaning the unionization of any governmental worker. Such form a fundamental conflict of interest.
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        • Posted by term2 6 years, 7 months ago
          I would be OK with unions if they DIDNT have a government backing forcing employers to deal with them. If a union gets out of hand, the employer should be able to just replace the workers that felt they needed to be represented by the union. That would at least be a fairer method of dealing with employer/employee issues.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 7 months ago
    Feminism is an idea (not a group) that I strongly support. BLM is a group I support. I strongly support their goal of reducing racism.

    This doesn't matter, though, unless you're just taking a survey. Do you have some thoughts about how they interact or relate to Ayn Rand's books?
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    • Posted by 6 years, 7 months ago
      Personally I find them all in conflict with Ayn Rand's views, they are both inherently asking for government power and handouts to push their political agenda. They threaten the individual rights of every person, with their desire to censor our public land marks, simple interaction, and expect a "fair" system. I would go as far to say that they are an agent of socialism. In Rand's beliefs that greatly mirror my own, every person is inherently created equal, not in the sense that the public uses it but, in the way of we all have the ability to survive in our world based off of our strengths and utilizing them for our beneficial self interest. They fight for "equality" when they only present a separation between male and female and color against color. They fight the "monster" they claim to exist in our society, but in the end they act just the same. With this rationale I can not respect them, as they leave behind rational thought, and push for all of us to support their short comings as individuals.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 7 months ago
        "every person is inherently created equal, "
        Those are the parts I support. When I say "feminism" that's what I mean, not seeking gov't handouts.
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        • Posted by 6 years, 7 months ago
          That I understand, however to say feminism conveys all of feminism and what it stands for. To have official titles tend to separate or discriminate against a group. Which does not agree with Ayn Rand, she did not discriminate as she accepted all individual rights. Discrimination is the tool of the brute. As is human nature. Feminists fight for irrational causes due to the lack of equality. As stated above we are all able to influence the world we live in, even Ayn Rand could agree that women, men, or any other identity can't be truly stopped or hindered by society. Ayn Rand escaped from communist Russia, made a name for herself in the United States during the 20's and made herself into a political and philosophical figure. There is no doubt that there is equality. Inequality is a human construct that impedes the growth of those who are not rational, who do not embrace the rational selfishness that Rand presented.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 7 months ago
            "to say feminism conveys all of feminism and what it stands for. "
            To me it stands for treating people as individuals, not as a group. There are so many kinds of feminism, three waves of it and disagreement within the schools of thought, so you can't be sure what someone means by the word without context. I'm a feminist in that sense of respecting people's rights without regard to gender.
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    • Posted by Jujucat 6 years, 7 months ago
      No offense, but please read up on BLM. This lady is very informative (and entertaining) as a start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRz7V...
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      • Posted by ewv 6 years, 7 months ago
        Yes, BLM is not for individual rights and is not "fighting for civil rights". It is a violent, mob-action overtly racist collectivist 'ethnicity' movement package-dealing sympathy for real victims with demands for entitlements and exemption from the law for those committing or legitimately suspected of crimes.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 7 months ago
        "please read up on BLM."
        My UU congregation has had their sign up for the past two years. I have not followed all the details. If you're up for a sermon, here is our minister speaking issues related to BLM.
        https://youtu.be/yvrGMVPYAZA?t=52m20s
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        • Posted by Jujucat 6 years, 7 months ago
          No thanks, I'm very anti-religion. I have researched BLM quite a bit already, so unless new facts come to light, I'm good.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 7 months ago
            "I'm very anti-religion."
            No worries. I am atheist/humanist. The congregation is probably 3/4 atheist and 1/4 couples from different faith backgrounds.

            Since Frank Wright designed the building in the 40s, I like to think it was the inspiration of the creedless church that Roark approved of and designed a building for in Fountainhead.
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            • Posted by Jujucat 6 years, 7 months ago
              Oh, THAT church... I've always wanted to visit! :) Is the sermon religious? I interpreted "sermon" plus "minister" as religious (usually is). I'll see if I can get through the video. ;)
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 7 months ago
                The sermon is never religious in the sense of discussing religions uncritically. The head minister has a left-of-center bias, but that certainly doesn't reflect everyone's opinion. When I was a kid went to a Methodist church near the UU church, and I recall they accepted that the historic Jesus is different from the mythical Jesus. My kid's boy scout troop meets at that Methodist church, and today they have posters about LGBTQ equality, so they're definitely not my stereotype of religious intolerance. Keep in mind, this is Madison.

                Once at a different UU congregation, someone commented to member "well that frankly sounds like something Ayn Rand would say." The speaker said he would take that as a complement because he was a fan of Ayn Rand. It wasn't a hostile exchange, but people clearly have their own opinions different opinions.
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                • Posted by ewv 6 years, 7 months ago
                  No one should confuse this emotional submersion in eclectic religion and subjectivism with 'liberal' bromides and politics with any kind of sympathy for or similarity with Ayn Rand's philosophy.

                  http://www.uua.org/beliefs/what-we-be...

                  http://www.uua.org/beliefs/what-we-be...

                  “Our seventh Principle, respect for the interdependent web of all existence, is a glorious statement. Yet we make a profound mistake when we limit it to merely an environmental idea. It is so much more. It is our response to the great dangers of both individualism and oppression. It is our solution to the seeming conflict between the individual and the group.

                  “Our seventh Principle may be our Unitarian Universalist way of coming to fully embrace something greater than ourselves. The interdependent web—expressed as the spirit of life, the ground of all being, the oneness of all existence, the community-forming power, the process of life, the creative force, even God—can help us develop that social understanding of ourselves that we and our culture so desperately need. It is a source of meaning to which we can dedicate our lives.”

                  Those who find something important in Ayn Rand they like should read Ayn Rand and understand the philosophy that it makes it possible. It isn't this.
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 7 months ago
                    UU is not the same as Ayn Rand's writing or an organization focused on it.

                    The Principles are intended to be symmetric, so the 7th Principle about the interdependent web of existence is opposite the 1st Principlee, the inherent worth and dignity of the individual. They are centered around the 4th, a free and responsible search for truth an meaning.

                    People who find something important in Ayn Rand will not find all the same things at UU.
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                    • Posted by ewv 6 years, 7 months ago
                      Rationalizing an alleged "symmetry" between the "interdependent web of existence" and the "danger" of individualism is subjectivist mush, not a means of "responsible search for truth and meaning". You know enough about Ayn Rand's philosophy to know better.

                      People who are attracted to Ayn Rand's sense of life and ideas will not find them at all in conventional "liberal" emoting and doctrine of an eclectic religion with its faith, hodge podge of "sacred texts", "six sources" and "seven principles" any more than in their equivalents in Scientology.
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    • Posted by tdechaine 6 years, 7 months ago
      Feminism is pro-women over all others. BLM is pro-black over all others. That is racism. It's a joke that they are fighting racism. Support true individual rights.
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