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Was The Charlottesville Riot A Set-Up?

Posted by  $  allosaur 3 months, 1 week ago to News
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Me dino was tempted but decided not to post this article when I first read it this morning. I don't like to read print that small and I could read "Firefox prevented this site from opening a pop-up window." (Psst! I also don't like to post links that ask Gulchers for money). So if you caught a pop-up, me so solly, y'all.
What changed my mind was Rush Limbaugh on my car radio a little later asking the same question and theorizing that the libs who run Charlottesville connived~not to do a Rahm Emanuel "Do not waste a good crisis"~BUT TO CREATE ONE.
Rush spoke of the police at Charlotteville standing down as well as retreating for the expressed purpose of fetching riot gear but then coming back without any.
In the article, police at the scene were definitely shackled from enforcing the same wear no mask law police effectively enforced at Auburn University a few months ago.
You had better be a kid and it better be Halloween if you want police to overlook your wearing a mask in my sweet home Alabama.
It's original intention was to successfully unmask the KKK.
Besides criminals doing crimes, it appears the those who hide behind masks these days (who aren't Muslim extremists) are the cowards of Antifa, BLM rioters and similar "useful idiot" losers that George Soros loves to fund.
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    Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 3 months, 1 week ago
    From what I have found out so far...it was instigated or at least circumstances were created for the likely hood this would happen.

    Alt right/white supremacist got a permit and were quiet with no trouble. Police were there with riot gear, tanks, etc...along comes BLM, no permit, loud mouth and physically threatening. Police now absent from the scene along with all the gear.

    Kinda looks like it was allowed to happen by design...not sure if we should just blame this on political incorrectness.
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      Posted by diessos 3 months, 1 week ago
      I agree. And Trump called both sides out today and he is getting slammed for that.
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      • Posted by  $  3 months, 1 week ago
        I despise Nazis and the KKK, but Antifa started the violence.
        The media only wants to hear their preferred slanted version of what happened.
        Yes, a Nazi punk did run down several people with a car, killing a girl.
        But those who set this whole ugly mess up also have blood on their hands.
        Doubt they will ever have to answer for it, though.
        Why am I suddenly thinking about the Clintons?
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        • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 3 months ago
          Neo-Nazis love swastikas. Where were the swastikas (and other items, like iron-eagle "NSDAP" standards, pictures of der Fuhrer, etc.)? All I saw on the videos was Confederate "Stars and Bars" flags. White people who defend their history (e.g., defending public property like statues) are not necessarily "Neo-Nazis." All I've got to go on that Neo-Nazis and white supremacists were even there is the communist media. Its hard to know who to trust these days for what is actually going on. I sure as hell do NOT believe anything you hear on CNN or MSLSD!
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          • Posted by  $  3 months ago
            This old Alabama dino knows you're right about people who own Confederate flags.
            It is not proof that they are in the KKK or white supremacists.
            Some have a heritage and an ancestry with war stories they are proud of.
            During the 70s I was acquainted with such a family with the surname of Kennedy, believe it or not.
            Their war story was a Civil War soldier who obtained leave to visit his family, which he did on horseback. Just as he arrived some Yankee cavalry also showed up.
            Kennedy led the Yankees on a merry chase, hopping fences and having the advantage of knowing the lay of the property where he grew up.
            He visited his family after the Yankees lost him, gave up the chase and went away.
            That's because all the Yankees knew about Kennedy is that they chased some uniformed Reb on a horse.
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    • Posted by jdg 3 months, 1 week ago
      This is what I believe happened, and not by accident.
      https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2...

      Never let SJWs define the terms of a debate. Especially the Big Liars of "antifa", who are much more like the original Brownshirts than any of their opponents to date.

      And for what it's worth, if I'm ever driving near a demonstration, I'm not stopping for anybody even if the alternative is prison. I remember what happened to Reginald Denny.
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    Posted by freedomforall 3 months, 1 week ago
    Police: ‘We’re leaving. It’s too dangerous.’
    Then why are you being paid $47,000 a year (average for Charlottesville VA police officers) if you refuse to protect the people in your city?
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    • Posted by  $  3 months, 1 week ago
      Here's the answer from a retired corrections officer who can relate~
      Those police answer to a chain of command that prints their paychecks.
      Always follow your last order.
      Or how to keep your job.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 3 months, 1 week ago
        By not doing the job you swore you would do?
        I lost a job for doing what was right for the customer and for the company, but wan't according to orders, so I have no sympathy. (After that it wasn't a place I wanted to continue working for ethical reasons.)
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        • Posted by  $  3 months, 1 week ago
          I was never told to retreat. That's no way to control a prison population.
          As for the public, I only had to protect them twice with two warning shots fired to stop as many escape attempts.
          I've also been in as many minor riot situations.
          The prison I worked at was well designed for containing areas.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 3 months, 1 week ago
            Sorry, I was unclear. My comments weren't on your specific actions, but on "following orders" as the ethical reason for the police "leaving... too dangerous". I don't doubt that they were following orders that violated the very reason their jobs exist. Your situation is entirely different.
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    • Posted by Kittyhawk 1 month, 3 weeks ago
      It's a common misconception that the police exist to "protect and serve." Our courts have held they have no such duty: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRH...

      The Lozito case was a particularly infuriating one: http://gothamist.com/2013/07/28/subwa... The cops on the train actually took credit for subduing the murderer with the media, when the reality was that they watched innocent people being brutally stabbed and Lozito actually being the one to subdue the killer while suffering life-threatening wounds.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 1 month, 3 weeks ago
        "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer. Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform and irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this he is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case advises him, out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore, security being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us, with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all others."
        - Thomas Paine

        Neither the police, nor the courts, are achieving the outcome that was the sole objective of their creation.

        "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it"
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  • Posted by  $  jbrenner 3 months, 1 week ago
    Protesters don't come armed with clubs unless they are expecting a confrontation.
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    • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 3 months, 1 week ago
      Absolutely! The left wing protesters didn't have a permit either, but they sure had clubs. The media is covering for them...what a surprise. Most people haven't heard that the Left had clubs or did anything to provoke a confrontation, which of course is exactly what they were paid to do. Guess that some protesters are more equal than others.
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  • Posted by  $  Temlakos 3 months, 1 week ago
    Yes, it was a set-up. The very man who brought those neo-Nazis and other collectivists of a similar persuasion together, had earlier brought together collectivists of a "non-racist" (in this case, communist) persuasion in the event we know as "Occupy Wall Street." We also have clear and convincing evidence to blame the Mayor of Charlottesville and the carpetbagger Governor of Virginia. (And I can speak to carpetbagging. I live here in Virginia, and was born here.) Ask yourselves: who benefits from this kind of embarrassment?

    And while I'm on the subject, let me assure everyone here: Robert E. Lee would never have had any truck with the racists. He wasn't that kind of man, and that wasn't why he led the Army of Northern Virginia. He led it because he could not "raise [his] hand" nor "draw [his] sword against [his] own people."
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  • Posted by  $  AJAshinoff 3 months, 1 week ago
    I'm inclined to believe it was. The volatile elements were in place, each anxious to show they we're bold, unafraid and not in the least intimidated. The police should have provided security,as its their job. I'm 100% certain that the police was ham-stringed by the many cameras and the social perception that would lead to a lawsuit with any slight sign of police aggression (defensive or otherwise) would start a race riot. Damned if you do, they didn't and this is the end result.
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  • Posted by  $  Dobrien 3 months, 1 week ago
    3 Thoughts Dino.
    1. We are in an undeclared civil war, they hate Trump and will not stop trying to discredit and destroy him.
    2. This was a set up delivered by the shadow govt.
    Who is always willing to sacrifice a few human lives or more.
    3. The unmasking laws and the irony of it all.
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    • Posted by  $  3 months, 1 week ago
      Yes, we are in the midst of an undeclared civil war. Will Trump survive the seething vicious hatred of the tolerant loving left?
      2. What's a few lives to worry about toward achieving a socialist utopia that always works out oh so well?
      3. What worked with the KKK can work with Antifa.
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  • Posted by JuliBMe 3 months, 1 week ago
    Just a quibble that will become HUGE if not nipped in the bud: Make no mistake, when the media says "Nazi" or "white nationalists/KKK", they mean "conservative" or "republican". If you know your history, you know that those groups in the past and such as they exist today were/are ALL left-wingers. Those instigating thugs in Charlottsville were ALL lefties and the media is in cover-up mode.
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    • Posted by  $  3 months, 1 week ago
      Straight out of the left wing's how to marginalize an opponent playbook with pulling the race card included.
      BLM and Antifa are not considered opponents for being useful tools.
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      • Posted by JuliBMe 3 months, 1 week ago
        Nope, they are COMRADS to the left. They were even HONORED at the left wing White House during the tenure of the biggest racist, law and order hating president we've ever had.
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        • Posted by  $  3 months, 1 week ago
          Fine! That's spelled comrades, by the way, you picky smarty, you..
          Me dino shall revise that to say they are considered to be Lenin-coined "useful idiots" by George Soros, who pays them to go risk their necks.
          And if this time you do not agree, I will trash my Jurassic World paddock by doing the Brontosaur Stomp~
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8pN-...
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          • Posted by JuliBMe 3 months, 1 week ago
            LOL, I wasn't disagreeing with you! I was just adding to your comment. And, I agree that Soros is behind most of this discord. Can't anything be done about him? Aren't there sedition laws he would fall under, not to mention his useful idiots?
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            • Posted by  $  3 months, 1 week ago
              "Nope" is a disagreement word. At least I don't have to trash a paddock that I live in.
              During my career as a state corrections officer, I've watched angry inmates trash their living area.
              Such shows of defiance never bothered me.
              They always have to clean their own mess up in the end.
              I'd just stand and look at it all~yawn~occasionally checking my watch for time to drive home.
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              • Posted by JuliBMe 3 months, 1 week ago
                Just for clarity, you said "BLM and Antifa are not considered...." and I, maybe in error, responded "Nope....but meant "Nope they are not opponents but are COMRADES (I corrected my spelling, too!)...." Did I commit the sin of a double negative, too? LOL, I don't know anymore. And, grammar has NEVER been my strong suit. YES, useful idiots they ARE!
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                • Posted by  $  3 months, 1 week ago
                  And lo it came to pass that a quarter Canadian French Monsieur Dino Allosaurus Esquire decreed that we are in sync.
                  In other words~Aw, for-gedda-bout it! We cool!
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  • Posted by NealS 3 months, 1 week ago
    After Vietnam I got to thinking, "What if they gave a war and no one came?" The best way to protest a protest is by ignoring it. For those that can't, law enforcement should draw lines around a specific area. Inside you are on your own, outside you are protected from attack. It's sort of the way I treat Chicago, I never go there anymore.
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    • Posted by  $  3 months, 1 week ago
      Me dino would not got to a protest.
      Why look for trouble?
      George Soros wouldn't pay an old-fashioned American dino like me to do that anyway.
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      • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 3 months, 1 week ago
        I heard that old Georgie was paying protesters who he hired to travel around the country protesting all things Conservative $1,500.00 a week. At that rate, I almost signed myself up.
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      • Posted by NealS 3 months, 1 week ago
        Anyone remember a while back what that women's protest in DC was about, the one where they wore simulated vaginas? Were they for or against vaginas? I paid so little attention to it that I can't even remember what it was about. Did the media talk even mention the president's comments on vaginas back then, or did they talk about the protest? I do recall that most of the protesters had no idea why they were there or what they were actually protesting. It seemed most were just having a good time.
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  • Posted by martinmetz 3 months, 1 week ago
    It's hard to find legitimate news outlets reporting the organizer's connections to Obama and the Occupy movement along with his drastic conversion in less than a year, but it is being widely discussed across the internet right now. Rush talking about it will bring it up to the top for more visibility.
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  • Posted by starznbarz 3 months, 1 week ago
    The commie arrested for tearing down a statue the other day is a self proclaimed member of the "workers world party" - they aint a cupcake club. Trump is the flash point, but the kegs of powder were placed around the Nation by Obama. The rest of them may have come from here, its run by a guy named Swart, who used to work for Gov. moonbeam. --https://crowdsondemand.com/political-...
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  • Posted by  $  Abaco 3 months, 1 week ago
    While I almost never purposely watch the news, I was on a business trip this week and while ironing my shirt in the hotel yesterday morning I tuned in CNN and watched Anderson Cooper. I have never seen anything covered in the way he's covering this. It's right out of 1984. I stood there in awe of how transparent he is being...and people are lapping it up.

    I honestly think this country is in very serious trouble. We've lost our way, our principles, and our ability to reason. The result will likely be bad, and more abrupt than I thought we'd see. Very sad, really.
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    • Posted by  $  3 months, 1 week ago
      Yesterday on the car radio I heard Hannity play a long montage of what all the lib talking heads are irrationally spewing.
      This country is in serious trouble indeed.
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    • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 months ago
      Don't be too ready to panic. An NPR/PBS poll shows that most Americans agree with Trump that blame in this event is shared by left and right. The numbers also show most Americans think it's a waste of money and time to remove or relocate Confederate memorials. Given that those institutions aren't exactly conservative, I think it shows most people aren't as easily led around by the discredited media as you fear.
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  • Posted by  $  nickursis 3 months, 1 week ago
    Something to put into perspective, is the "poor protestors" in Ferguson, who happily burned buildings, were whining when they didin't get paid...

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ferg...

    "There's absolutely no doubt that part of the reason that Ferguson flared up was because protesters were being paid to be there. That makes you wonder how many are being paid in Baltimore? How many more will be paid in the future?" The Right Scoop asked.


    Of course, there is no way to vet just who did and didn't get paid, but the fact this seems to be modus operandi seems to say...well, yes.
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    • Posted by  $  3 months, 1 week ago
      Methinks someone in between pocketed that Soros money to be paid to those Ferguson mercenary protestors.
      All in all, paying people to break the law by making trouble strikes old dino as racketeering.
      Wondering if a RICO charge would legally stick.
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  • Posted by  $  nickursis 3 months, 1 week ago
    Tis also seems to indicate there ismore to this then they just had a brain fart and decided to royally screw up something they handled quite well 4 weeks ago:

    It is bizarre, not to say extremely suspicious, that Virginia’s Democratic Governor Terry McAuliffe and Charlottesville city officials Mayor Mike Signer (also a rabid anti-Trump activist), Vice Mayor Wes Bellamy and Police Chief Al Thomas Jr. had this tool that could have been used as necessary against both sides in the riot and did not use it.

    It was almost as if they wanted masked thugs to be running wild in their city center.

    The final and most bizarre evidence of a set-up was the police “stand-down” order issued as the riot broke out.

    Why did none of this happen 4 weeks ago? Also, if you see lamestream media, they are once again, saying Trump will be impeached, his people are all abandoning him, he eats little children alive (no, Hillary does that), and he says bad things to little girls. Yet, it seems they keep trying to tag him with SOMETHING, anything. The Republicrats are no better, they sneak in a comment now and then, but no voice of outrage at the fact this was obviously a staged event, purposefully screwed up, and by Dumbocrap elected officials. It is an indictment of them more than anyone else. Yet, no media comment, and they all took preventative steps to disarm any allegations of a setup. What a crock....
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    • Posted by  $  3 months, 1 week ago
      This whole set-up is about getting rid of Trump. I notice anything he says about not being a racist is completely ignored by ranting lefty talking heads who claims Trump said the opposite.
      Months of incessant Russia! Russia! Russia! screeching hasn't worked out for all the yapping wannabe commie chihuahuas.
      Time for the "not my president" smear Trump fest to blather about something new.
      People getting killed in the process is only viewed as useful to lefty jerks who dream of some unattainable socialist utopia.
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      • Posted by  $  Suzanne43 3 months, 1 week ago
        Bravo, Dino. You said it well again. This constant rant against him in the media for the past few days has got me physically sick....I have a headache. Do you think that most of the country believes this garbage that is said against him?
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      • Posted by  $  nickursis 3 months, 1 week ago
        And, as long as we are using the race card, no one has explained this little issue with history:
        http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/16...
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        • Posted by  $  3 months, 1 week ago
          I caught that prime time bit channel surfing. That's because if I'm watching another TV show, I'll check out Hannity during commercials.
          Old dino also lived through Jim Crow all that in the then Democrat Alabama.
          Remember the gas station rest rooms marked "COLORED."
          Recall being a kid who felt sorry for blacks forbidden to use the "WHITE ONLY" ice water machine on hot summer days.
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          • Posted by  $  nickursis 3 months ago
            My grandmother had a dfrug store in Biloxi Missisippi from the 40's on. They were the ONLY drugstore in southern MS that would give credit to blacks, as well as serve all their needs. I remember being 4 or 5 and sitting in the little waiting area, talking to all the black people waiting there an listening to them tell me how proud I should be of our family. That lasted all the way up to closing the store in the late 90's. But i do remember all the "colored" only signs and labels, yes.
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  • Posted by  $  nickursis 3 months, 1 week ago
    A lot of BS in the lamestream media on this, almost with facts woven into BS, but:

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2...
    The weirdest line in that one: "“This could have been a much worse day,” said Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, “We planned for a long time for today’s incidents.”" Excuse me? It takes long planning to keep 2 groups of people apart who hate each other? Hello, do you come from Portland, Oregon?

    And Slate, man they must be controlled by Clinton or whoever pulls strings for Dumbocraps: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slates...

    Weird line: " Unsurprisingly, the far right has used its elevated status in Trump’s America to find the real culprit for this weekend’s hate crimes: George Soros." Far right? WTF is that? Any one who does not subscribe to the socialist order the Dumbocraps have been bought to deliver? Never mind I believe the vast majority of people are in the middle. Clearly this was a slanted piece...

    This was also a repeat of an incident in July, so one has to wonder why it was almost the same thing, yet it went smoothly, the KK dudes got their say, the protestors (again outnumbering the KK by like 10 to 1) did their protesting, and no one got hurt. A month later, the cops are incapable of controlling it? Seems wrong to me...

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/08/us/kkk-...
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 months, 1 week ago
    There is a very good first person rundown of what happened on the Daily Caller, and it seems more like incompetence than deliberate conspiracy. While there was a perfectly good exit to the north of the park away from the Antifa thugs, none of the police there were equipped with riot gear, so the alt-right folk were herded to the south, right into the alt-left crowd that was itching for a fight. Neither group of extremists are graduates of anger management class, so the expected violence happened. Even though equipped with riot gear, the cops were afraid of what the media would make of them wading into the melee with tear gas and batons, so the decision to let the rioters run out of gas appeared to have been made.

    Governor McCauliffe seems to be the idiot who triggered this, by declaring an emergency and ordering the Charlottesville police to remove the alt-right demonstrators. The police had a decent setup, and a reasonable plan for keeping the two groups separate, but the emergency order threw all that into a cocked hat.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 months, 1 week ago
      This rings true. When I lived in Tampa I used to demonstrate for peace at the entrance to MacDill Air Force Base. The Tampa police did a great job keeping people for peace and for war apart. I often sensed that it could easily turn nasty if the police allowed the demonstrators to mingle, but they kept them on opposite sides of the road.

      In one case when there was no police around, I thought someone was going to get violent. One of the women on the pro-peace side talked him down. She sort of had a motherly demeanor. I was amazed because I thought for sure there was going to be fighting.

      I've managed enough projects to know how easily things can get hosed. If the police mess up or there's no calming influence like that motherly figure, things can rapidly turn to worms. That's probably what happened.

      I don't know what the Antifa or white supremacist protesters are really like, but the images I see are nothing the people for and against the invasion of Iraq in 2002 and 2003. Most of the peace protesters really wanted peace, and most of those in favor of war really thought the invasion of Iraq would be a step toward peace in the Middle East. The people I see today appear to be itching for a fight, and this is the cause they've latched onto.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 months, 1 week ago
        The Antifa mob appears to be modeled on (ironically, given their name) Mussolini's Blackshirts (copied by Hitler's SA "Brownshirts"), declaring that those they oppose are so dangerous to society that violence is justified. You see a lot of rationalization about how things like the swastika or a Confederate flag are an incitement to violence, and therefore must be suppressed with violence.

        What appalls me is the media seeking to paint Antifa as some kind of heroes, even comparing their thuggish assaults and vandalism as somehow the equivalent to our forces assaulting the beaches at Normandy on D-day.

        I'm now beginning to lean in the direction of conspiracy, since it appears the Virginia governor lied about the state police finding a cache of weapons brought to the city by the neo-Nazis. That was his justification for the declaration of an emergency, but the state police have said they found no such cache of weapons, and never told the governor they did. It's becoming obvious that this very well may have been a setup.
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 months, 1 week ago
          I agree with the part about Antifa and mobs in general. I haven't seen anything lionizing them, but I'm sure someone does. I do not get how the conspiracy would work.
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          • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 months, 1 week ago
            Apparently, according to another post, the instigator of the alt-right gathering actually has ties to Soros and Obama. The only reason I can think of for someone with that background to get involved with white supremacists is to put them face to face with Antifa, so that violence would ensue.

            The Russia collusion angle is fizzling out, so playing the race card is another angle to stir up anger and separation. Before Trump said anything, the left wing pundits were already accusing him of stimulating white racists, motivating and encouraging them.

            What I first accepted as incompetence I now think was an effort to maximize conflict between the two groups. I may be wrong. In his desperation to prevent the alt-right gathering, after the court ruled they could hold their protest, the governor may have felt it necessary to pull the only card that would allow him to stop the protest, even if he had to lie to support his emergency declaration. He may not have had anything to do with the bad decision to force the alt-right crowd to exit into the teeth of the Antifa mob, but there seem to be too many bad coincidental decisions for the situation not to have been purposeful.
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              Posted by CircuitGuy 3 months ago
              "too many bad coincidental decisions"
              My default bias is in favor of bad coincidental decisions over machinations, but I see your two scenarios.I see two scenarios because it would seem conspirators desperate to prevent an alt-right gathering from happening would be different from the conspirators wanting to push the groups together and spark a violent conflict.

              Whenever I hear these conspiracy scenarios, though, they ring false because the conspirators would have to be master predictors of the future. I admire President Obama and George Soros, at least based on their books and public persona, and not only do I see them willing to engage in this skullduggery, I don't see them being able to predict that outcome would break in their favor.
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              • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 months ago
                There is now a statement circulating that purports to be from a Charlottesville LEO that claims it was definitely a conspiracy, orchestrated to start a race war. The anonymous statement details a schedule that started in May, with Soros backing, to encourage the alt-right gathering. The intent from the start was to send the two opposing groups into each other, with the police holding back and letting the riot ensue, according to this source.

                Several unexpected things happened: Communication with BLM was poor, so not many of that group showed up. Antifa thugs are almost all white, so the video showed one bunch of white guys beating up another bunch of white guys, instead of the desired black-white confrontation; the stand down order prevented the police from stopping the driver of the murder vehicle from heading in the direction of the crowd (which the anonymous LEO said they could have done), and a white person was killed (instead of a black person); some of the supposedly friendly press (from NBC and the New York Times) actually reported what they saw, which supports the President's contention that there was guilt on both sides for the violence. Those news sources also reported that from their view, the clash between the groups could have been avoided. Neither news source speculated about the possibility the whole thing was staged.
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                  Posted by CircuitGuy 3 months ago
                  "statement circulating that purports to be from a Charlottesville LEO "
                  This conspiracy theory is better than most because it doesn't argue the conspirators are super-powerful. In this theory, the conspiracy didn't play out exactly as planned, which makes more sense to me than conspiracies that go perfectly.

                  "guilt on both sides for the violence."
                  Stating it this way rests on the premise that there are two sides. I don't see that. IMHO this language was asinine on the part of President Trump. If there's any hidden agenda, I wondered if Trump might be trying to undermine the Republican party and/or people who want to keep the Confederate statues by suggesting the people marching under the Nazi banner were one "side". If we accept the "both sides" premise, most people want not to be on the Nazi side. I do not think it's a hidden agenda. I think Trump can't resist seeking attention, even if it inadvertently incites violence and undermines things he claims to support.
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  • Posted by dwlievert 3 months, 1 week ago
    When you erect monuments to men, rather than to the monumental ideas they may champion, then you always run the risk that they shall become the focus of the monument.

    When they do, their fortunes rise and fall with the sentiments of the mob – however such mobs may be disguised.

    Mobs cloaked in naked disguise, such as the KKK and various “supremacists.” Or the more cleverly disguised mobs on the left – given, through omission and commission, the far more effective disguise of "legitimacy."
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