"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer. Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform and irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this he is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case advises him, out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore, security being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us, with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all others."
- Thomas Paine

Neither the police, nor the courts, are achieving the outcome that was the sole objective of their creation.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it"

Those court decisions are atrocious.
Oh, well, I'm concealed carry, have a pistol permit, have more than one gun and the training to use them all.

It's a common misconception that the police exist to "protect and serve." Our courts have held they have no such duty: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRH...

The Lozito case was a particularly infuriating one: http://gothamist.com/2013/07/28/subwa... The cops on the train actually took credit for subduing the murderer with the media, when the reality was that they watched innocent people being brutally stabbed and Lozito actually being the one to subdue the killer while suffering life-threatening wounds.

"statement circulating that purports to be from a Charlottesville LEO "
This conspiracy theory is better than most because it doesn't argue the conspirators are super-powerful. In this theory, the conspiracy didn't play out exactly as planned, which makes more sense to me than conspiracies that go perfectly.

"guilt on both sides for the violence."
Stating it this way rests on the premise that there are two sides. I don't see that. IMHO this language was asinine on the part of President Trump. If there's any hidden agenda, I wondered if Trump might be trying to undermine the Republican party and/or people who want to keep the Confederate statues by suggesting the people marching under the Nazi banner were one "side". If we accept the "both sides" premise, most people want not to be on the Nazi side. I do not think it's a hidden agenda. I think Trump can't resist seeking attention, even if it inadvertently incites violence and undermines things he claims to support.

Thanks for that information.

Don't be too ready to panic. An NPR/PBS poll shows that most Americans agree with Trump that blame in this event is shared by left and right. The numbers also show most Americans think it's a waste of money and time to remove or relocate Confederate memorials. Given that those institutions aren't exactly conservative, I think it shows most people aren't as easily led around by the discredited media as you fear.

Might. Might is a maybe is and a maybe not.
Me dino IMO leans toward the maybe is not exaggerated bit.

There is now a statement circulating that purports to be from a Charlottesville LEO that claims it was definitely a conspiracy, orchestrated to start a race war. The anonymous statement details a schedule that started in May, with Soros backing, to encourage the alt-right gathering. The intent from the start was to send the two opposing groups into each other, with the police holding back and letting the riot ensue, according to this source.

Several unexpected things happened: Communication with BLM was poor, so not many of that group showed up. Antifa thugs are almost all white, so the video showed one bunch of white guys beating up another bunch of white guys, instead of the desired black-white confrontation; the stand down order prevented the police from stopping the driver of the murder vehicle from heading in the direction of the crowd (which the anonymous LEO said they could have done), and a white person was killed (instead of a black person); some of the supposedly friendly press (from NBC and the New York Times) actually reported what they saw, which supports the President's contention that there was guilt on both sides for the violence. Those news sources also reported that from their view, the clash between the groups could have been avoided. Neither news source speculated about the possibility the whole thing was staged.

Wish former Sherrif Joe could make a citizens arrest. Soro's spent millions to defeat him.
That might be exaggerated.

"too many bad coincidental decisions"
My default bias is in favor of bad coincidental decisions over machinations, but I see your two scenarios.I see two scenarios because it would seem conspirators desperate to prevent an alt-right gathering from happening would be different from the conspirators wanting to push the groups together and spark a violent conflict.

Whenever I hear these conspiracy scenarios, though, they ring false because the conspirators would have to be master predictors of the future. I admire President Obama and George Soros, at least based on their books and public persona, and not only do I see them willing to engage in this skullduggery, I don't see them being able to predict that outcome would break in their favor.

Me dino shall now opine that Doc is dead on all over this.

"Psst!" dino whispered back, "And the lib media is willingly a big part of this organized corruption. Imagine all the secret emails that go this way and that."

Uh...shhhhh....YES.

My grandmother had a dfrug store in Biloxi Missisippi from the 40's on. They were the ONLY drugstore in southern MS that would give credit to blacks, as well as serve all their needs. I remember being 4 or 5 and sitting in the little waiting area, talking to all the black people waiting there an listening to them tell me how proud I should be of our family. That lasted all the way up to closing the store in the late 90's. But i do remember all the "colored" only signs and labels, yes.

This old Alabama dino knows you're right about people who own Confederate flags.
It is not proof that they are in the KKK or white supremacists.
Some have a heritage and an ancestry with war stories they are proud of.
During the 70s I was acquainted with such a family with the surname of Kennedy, believe it or not.
Their war story was a Civil War soldier who obtained leave to visit his family, which he did on horseback. Just as he arrived some Yankee cavalry also showed up.
Kennedy led the Yankees on a merry chase, hopping fences and having the advantage of knowing the lay of the property where he grew up.
He visited his family after the Yankees lost him, gave up the chase and went away.
That's because all the Yankees knew about Kennedy is that they chased some uniformed Reb on a horse.

Neo-Nazis love swastikas. Where were the swastikas (and other items, like iron-eagle "NSDAP" standards, pictures of der Fuhrer, etc.)? All I saw on the videos was Confederate "Stars and Bars" flags. White people who defend their history (e.g., defending public property like statues) are not necessarily "Neo-Nazis." All I've got to go on that Neo-Nazis and white supremacists were even there is the communist media. Its hard to know who to trust these days for what is actually going on. I sure as hell do NOT believe anything you hear on CNN or MSLSD!

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Apparently, according to another post, the instigator of the alt-right gathering actually has ties to Soros and Obama. The only reason I can think of for someone with that background to get involved with white supremacists is to put them face to face with Antifa, so that violence would ensue.

The Russia collusion angle is fizzling out, so playing the race card is another angle to stir up anger and separation. Before Trump said anything, the left wing pundits were already accusing him of stimulating white racists, motivating and encouraging them.

What I first accepted as incompetence I now think was an effort to maximize conflict between the two groups. I may be wrong. In his desperation to prevent the alt-right gathering, after the court ruled they could hold their protest, the governor may have felt it necessary to pull the only card that would allow him to stop the protest, even if he had to lie to support his emergency declaration. He may not have had anything to do with the bad decision to force the alt-right crowd to exit into the teeth of the Antifa mob, but there seem to be too many bad coincidental decisions for the situation not to have been purposeful.

I agree with the part about Antifa and mobs in general. I haven't seen anything lionizing them, but I'm sure someone does. I do not get how the conspiracy would work.

And lo it came to pass that a quarter Canadian French Monsieur Dino Allosaurus Esquire decreed that we are in sync.
In other words~Aw, for-gedda-bout it! We cool!

I caught that prime time bit channel surfing. That's because if I'm watching another TV show, I'll check out Hannity during commercials.
Old dino also lived through Jim Crow all that in the then Democrat Alabama.
Remember the gas station rest rooms marked "COLORED."
Recall being a kid who felt sorry for blacks forbidden to use the "WHITE ONLY" ice water machine on hot summer days.

My immediate for an automatic synonym word association to your word, Plan~
Conspiracy.

And, as long as we are using the race card, no one has explained this little issue with history:
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/16...

No one has ever investigated to find truth, so no charges will ever happen, which is the norm in political machinations.Good grief, Judicial Watch has had to sue the FBI to get whatever documents they DO have, about Clinton's tarmac rendezvous with Loretta, after they denied having anything. The lies abound, the stories change and get muddied to where the program moves on...no blame, no accountability, because it is all in the Plan....

Just for clarity, you said "BLM and Antifa are not considered...." and I, maybe in error, responded "Nope....but meant "Nope they are not opponents but are COMRADES (I corrected my spelling, too!)...." Did I commit the sin of a double negative, too? LOL, I don't know anymore. And, grammar has NEVER been my strong suit. YES, useful idiots they ARE!