Your Kids are Livestock...recent stories

Posted by Abaco 1 month, 3 weeks ago to Culture
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I imagine many here have picked up that I'm sensitive to the mistreatment of children. I thought I'd share a couple stories that just came to me, perhaps as a lesson on something to look out for. I've long noted that the medical system just uses, and abuses kids for profit. The stories just keep coming to me where I sit. The more recent stories have to do with dentists.

My wife recently informed me of a story where a mother (probably single mother...remember that) took her child to the dentist and was informed that the child had to be sedated and be given multiple crowns. The first dentist didn't realize the mother was out getting a second opinion when he called CPS and the child was taken away based on the argument that the mother wasn't taking care of the child. That second dentist? He found that the child didn't need the crowns. Sounds far-fetched, until you start hearing the of same situation over and over. I asked my wife, "What did the father do?" Her reply, "I didn't hear any mention of a father."

Last night I'm enjoying a cold one with a good friend, who happens to be a pediatrician in very high standing. He tells me that this week one of his patients was brought in by the mother for a pre-sedation check by my friend. Turns out the child was scheduled to have multiple crowns put in, under sedation, by a pediatric dentist the next town over. The check by my friend had to be done right away because the dentist told the mother that the child might have infections from the poor condition of the teeth, the infections could turn to meningitis right away, and (by the way) the mother had just given the dentist $3K for the upcoming procedure. My buddy looks in the kid's mouth and finds...nothing. Perfect teeth. With the mother's cooperation they take the kid to another dentist who looks in the kid's mouth and finds what my friend found. No problems. So, my friend calls the first dentist and says, "So, which tooth are you going to crown? Which good tooth are you planning to drill?" Mind you, sedation in a dentist office is another subject worthy of discussion and concern.

I get home from the beer meeting late last night and my cousin is visiting. I relay this story and her eyes get real big and she tells me about an orthodontist who recently told her that he son's braces were going to cost $20,000. LOL...

I mention this here because we're seeing more and more of it. I find it to be very troubling. My advice would be to be cognizant of it, put your kids first, and don't be afraid to get a second opinion when it comes to pediatric dental procedures. There are some real bad apples out there. And, I've seen for many years mothers being bullied by medical professionals. Remember that you're the client, not the livestock. These stories bring out the Objectivist in me. And, they make me consider ripping a dentist's arms from his body. Good luck practicing like that, doc...


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  • Posted by scojohnson 1 month, 2 weeks ago
    I don't think it's isolated to kids, it seems more like corrupt dentists. My wife went through that non-sense for a few rounds with the dentist in our local village here, then the same one 'referred' my son to an orthodontist that wanted $10,000 for braces. Complete with the televisions above the dentist chair (for the full-sedation procedure), etc. We went and got a second opinion, yes he needed them, $2700 was the expected cost for the metal wires and rubber bands.

    I've been seeing the same dentist for about a decade now, regular cleanings and some occasional 'planing and scraping' on my aging teeth, but still never a cavity in my life.

    A few years ago we got a letter for Dentist #1 (that was apparently dumb enough to think we were still on his patient list) and that "because insurance is so slow to pay, we would have to pay in cash, and seek our own reimbursements). So, in other words, they suffered from the industry average of about 35% of claims being denied for over-billing or suspected fraud reasons. But if you get cash from the patient, then they are screwed. I looked the guy up at work, he had been sanctioned by several insurance companies and I noticed a while ago his office was no longer there. I 'smelled' referral fee sending us to his orthodontist friend, he blew a gasket when he saw on the chart that my son didn't get the ortho from his preference - then I got a speech about how substandard dentistry was going to cause severe discomfort. Really? And the made up stuff doesn't?

    The majority of the dentist profession seems pretty corrupt. We had a wonderful family dentist before this nonsense, his son was killed in Afghanistan rather early in the war and he never really recovered from it, ended up closing shop and retiring.

    I have also heard of a certain pediatric dentist as well that has been over-billing for quite some time, and doing extractions on children after charging for anesthetics, but not actually using them... She's just about crazy enough personally to do that too, kids are scared to death of her, and she treats the parents like royalty, so they keep going back for the free lattes while the kids are getting beaten up with a baseball bat.

    Unfortunately, our censure records file for the medical profession is exceptionally long.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 1 month, 3 weeks ago
    What you are witnessing is the culmination of a 100 year old idea that children ought to be controlled by the elite in a society. Some quotes to illustrate...

    "It turns out that compulsory education, a feat accomplished during the Progressive Era, was also a compulsory indoctrination into Progressive thought and twentieth-century Protestantism. Arthur Calhoun stated in 1919, “The fondest wish of Utopian writers was coming true, the child was passing from its family into the custody of community experts.”"

    "The power to shape children’s futures was taken from their parents and put into the hands of the government. Starting in this era, as John Swett, the founder of public education in California, stated, schoolchildren belonged not “to the parents, but to the State, to society, to the country.”"

    Theodore and Woodrow Andrew Napolitano

    "When an opponent declares, "I will not come over to your side," I calmly say, "Your child belongs to us already...What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community."

    Adolph Hitler
    http://www.azquotes.com/quote/538489

    So both the orthodontist and the mother have been taught and accept that doctor knows best. It might take hundreds of years for the concept of the sovereignty of the individual and the family as the best place to nurture and educate their children to re-emerge as a dominate philosophy.
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  • Posted by  $  allosaur 1 month, 2 weeks ago
    This isn't about children or crowns but the value of getting a second opinion. Getting away from a dentist I did not like, I tried a new one I never met during the 90s.
    This Dr. Last Name Only turned out to be a young beautiful blonde female. Had a couple of cavities that she filled. Most importantly, she passed my essential test for being good with a Novocaine syringe.
    Chatting, I learned that her husband was still a UAB (University of Alabama in Birmingham) student who came in after hours to pull teeth.
    During my third and last visit, I was advised I had three teeth that needed to be pulled. Then I was quite surprised when Blondie pressed her tummy against mine as she reached across my chair to get some dental instrument.
    I immediately recalled myself back in1970 as a Marine in civvies at dive called The Pirate's Den and a blonde waitress who'd rub her leg against my hip every time she brought me a beer. Anyway, it was only with Dr. Blondie that all sorts of alarms of high suspicion went off in my dino head.
    I big time wanted a second opinion. A coworker recommended a dentist who looked into my mouth and said, "You don't need any teeth pulled."
    He was my dentist for about ten years. Hated that he retired. His surprise replacement in the same office was actually older and crap with Novocaine injections. Bye-bye.
    My current dentist is satisfactory and next door to where the blonde used to be. She went bye-bye for whatever the reason.
    Maybe she's in North Carolina and is a waitress at The Pirate's Den.
    Oops! I mean to shame any leg-rubbing waitress who works in a dive.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 1 month, 3 weeks ago
    When I lived in Phoenix, I went to my father's dentist for a checkup. (My Dad was about 80 at the time.) I was told I have several crowns that should be replaced (at great cost.) The crowns were about 15 years old but I got a second opinion. The second dentist said the first dentist wanted me to pay for his country club membership, and that my crowns were fine, and might last another 10 years. (Of course, my Dad continued to accept the dentist's care even though he had been proven unethical.)
    There are some providers that don't even think about what is best for the patient.
    Eventually I had the crowns replaced 10+ years later in Panama (for 1/4 of the price) by a dentist with American university training who had many US patients that recommended him. Had a nice vacation, too.
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  • Posted by jdg 1 month, 2 weeks ago
    This is the inevitable abuse that comes from occupational licensing. Even in a field like medicine where the risk of incompetence is real, licensing creates such a shortage of practitioners that they effectively have no competition and can get away with anything they want to do. I'd much rather have them unlicensed even if it means I need to look at Yelp reviews before choosing a doctor or dentist.
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 1 month, 2 weeks ago
    Seems to be so for Most of the medical unprofessional complex...No Conscience puts them right into my "parasitical humanoid" category.

    By the way...that Would put them smack into a different racial category as well and in that respect...you guessed it...I'm a racist!?!?!?
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  • Posted by Herb7734 1 month, 2 weeks ago
    The same ploy is played on the elderly, by providing unneeded dentures, etc. There seems to be an attitude that most persons over 70, are too senile to know what they're doing. Hmmm, perhaps that might account for the animosity toward Trump to an extent.

    BUT - the thought of Dentists taking advantage of parents through their kids is lower than despicable.
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  • Posted by 1 month, 2 weeks ago
    Anybody remember the story that got national attention a couple years ago when a dentist was strapping kids down and pulling all their teeth? The video of that was horrifying. He was torturing the kids. The authorities did nothing! Eventually, a couple mothers accosted the guy outside his office. But, where were the fathers?! I keep asking this question! If it were my kid, that dentist would be eating through a straw the rest of his days.
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