Well, Mr. Jacobs thesis is that they have been making "Hubrids" for years now and integrating into society. Just from the way people act today, I am not so sure he is wrong. Although they can control people through telepathy, maybe that could explain how people just latch on to things like "the Russians did it" with no facts..or maybe people are just not caring for little things like "facts".

Once upon a time, there were true Democrats. After WW2, while the world was being rebuilt, they infiltrated the party. As they infiltrated the party, they educated the children. The only question is, who are they? They are now infiltrating the Republicans.

Thanks, Neal......:)

That is true, and there are a lot of facts, and data, that can be construed to support it. I like the way Graham Hancock presents his data, and he does not subscribe to the alien theory, he posits that there was an ancient, advanced civilization before the Younger Dryas that helped man recover post Ice Age. There is a lot of people I have heard and read from who do not strike me as poor reports, such as several astronauts, shuttle crews, many, many pilots. One case was a pilot flying to Jersey off England, who saw a very large (many kilometers) ship not far away from his Trislander aircraft. His story is very compelling, and the passengers all vouched for it. Data points like that are hard to argue against, unless one assumes an irrational position that all people making such reports are loons.

Jul 19, 2014 - 'The Stone of the South' at Baalbek, Lebanon is the largest worked monolith on Earth, weighing in at a staggering 1242 tons. 2,484,000 lbs

I admire and celebrate him for stating his beliefs. I share his beliefs, although I don't have first-hand evidence, I've also done enough research to be convinced that there are some objectively verified cases that have no other explanation.

That is certainly most true, although I do admire someone willing to think their facts are sufficient to make a causality statement.

Interesting!! Thanks for the account.

Thank you, Doc for that personal aspect.

Read the book about UFOs by USAF Colonel John Alexander and I think your belief will change. :-) It's the 2% of reported UFO cases that make you say hmmm....

All true, I have not found a source that is his information or data. But he has spent a huge amount of his own money doing research, and he is connected to a lot of space and space related things.

I too am in my first seventies, and briefly remember the movie, "Close encounters of the third? kind. where the aliens were finally discovered to be real when they returned healthy and safe vets from WW II alive and well with their planes. One of the science observers said, "Einstein was right." His companion replied, "Einstein was one of them." food for thought, or at least memories.

A lot of that is the material "Ancient Aliens" likes to use. I cannot say that I believe that 1400-1800 painters were trying to make demons, but there is some material that is questioning as they do appear in what were, and are, considered to be archeological "treasures". Von Daniken called out a lot of it in the 60's and 70's, and I do not think he is not lucid, he is a very passionate and persuasive guy. I read "Chariots of the Gods" in the 60's as a kid, and latched onto the sense he made with his argument.

Dob, I hate to say it but yes, if they were testing a Trident D5 although I have never heard of a malfunction like that in 40 years, but that would be what you would see if either the guidance system was toast or the gyro control or bell novelize was stuck. I didn't see a location, but they do occasionally shoot them from the coast for testing. We do it in both oceans on Tridents every once in a while, I launched 4 of the bad boys in a ripple launch right before I retired.

I don't recall the liberal weirdness so rampant in Atlas Shrugged, more of a Political Machine takeover. But between Venezuela and the overall weirdness of the left, there is some doubt as to just what is going on...

Don't laugh too hard, there is so much weirdness in the world today, I can believe in Majestic 12, Hubrids, and shape shifting reptilians. And everyone thought things were bad in Nixon's day....

Yes, I would love to see facts, and real records. There are so many reliable witnesses that they can't all be lying, or deluded, or whatever. Ramstein alone was a pretty conclusive event that the military ignored.

There are a lot of weird questions regarding todays society and how some people are acting and (not) thinking.

And their are a lot of those, as well as in the crop circle arena. My point to the crop circles is if they can do some of the beautiful details you see in some, why not do it as art and make money?

Coast to Coast has always been somewhat shaky, especially with the guy who started it and ran it for years (I can't remember his name), but they did tap into a lot of obscure material....

Could be......

All I could find on Westrum was he was a MUFON consultant, probably because of his aeronautical background?

This is weird, I just listened to an audio book written by him "They walk among us". I was considering how his hypothesis tests out in logic, and found he has some rather disconnected points. He indicates the aliens have no concept of music, or how music is made, and yet they have detailed knowledge from abductees they rely on. I mean, an advanced technological group who don't know how to monitor all forms of communication? Couldn't they buy a DVD player and rent some? It just seems his aliens are really bumbling amateurs whose only saving grace (as far as advantages go) is their mind control. Other than that, they are pretty pathetic and that doesn't seem to hook up with a worldwide infiltration. Unless they are a lot like government, then we may not ever know we were invaded....