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Congressman tells angry constituents the idea that they pay his salary is ‘bullcrap’

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years ago to Government
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A poster boy for the political class. I understand his point, but he is the political equivalent to Oscar at United. Whether you like it or not, you are elcted and represent ALL the people of your district, even the snowflakes and Democrats, until they find a way to toss you out. But you do not tell them they are irrelevant because you graciously pay enough in taxes to fund yourself....
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    Posted by $ CBJ 7 years ago
    On matters of public policy and legislation a congressman does not represent all of the people in his district, nor is it possible for him to do so. In this respect, his chief obligation is to vote as he promised to vote while he was campaigning.

    My congresswoman is a Democrat, and in no way does she represent me. Nor do I expect her to.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 7 years ago
      Excellent point. A representative may represent his geographic district, but will in no way represent the ideology of everyone within that district. At best, he/she will represent the prevailing ideology.
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      • Posted by $ 7 years ago
        blarman, see my point below, I believe one of the things lost in politics is consensus building, where you seek a standard or solution most, if not all, can live with. As the parties have moved to each end of the spectrum, it becomes harder and harder to ever get there. The people going to the townhalls to just scream and yell are just venting frustration and accomplishing nothing.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 7 years ago
          The problem is that in many cases you are dealing with the ideological few who are trying to impose their will on everyone else. They aren't willing to come to the middle (though to be fair to the issues, in many cases there is no middle). And as a result, those who ideologically differ similarly take a hard-line stance.

          What we have really lost in the past 60 years or so is temperance and tolerance of differing viewpoints. Those especially on the left are unwilling to allow the "live and let live" mentality which has dominated political discourse in our nation since its Founding (see the First Amendment). Those who aren't willing to adopt the mindset - or at least the laws - favoring lefting ideology are persecuted in the Court system and society in general. And as a result, the right raises its hackles and strikes back.

          The scary thing is that I've been reading about our nation's political discourse from 1830 to 1860 and it seems that we are headed the same direction: toward an ideological civil war. As Abraham Lincoln observed (during the famous Lincoln-Douglas debates) with regards to the difference in opinion regarding the extension of slavery into the new territories of the West, the various parties of the nation were not willing to keep the same policies that had allowed both to live if not precisely in harmony at least in tolerance of the other. And eventually the partisan rancor on both sides grew to the point that the Southern States decided to secede and instigate military conflict with their assault on Fort Sumpter (South Carolina). I hope that our nation does not come to this, but unless ideologically people are willing to find common ground, my fear is that they will allow these partisan antagonisms to drive them to open conflict.
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          • Posted by Dobrien 7 years ago
            What we lost, temperance and tolerance of differing viewpoints. That is spot on. The blame can be pointed in many directions Starting with the lefts subjective goals and the rights failure to get out in front of an issue. The biased point of view feed to the masses by the news media and entertainment inds
            The division now, is not so much the states as with in most urban vs rural areas. The fighting approach today will be more the way of the IRA. Frightful because the division is almost 50/50 and in many cases households and families.
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    • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years ago
      While what you say is true, his legitimate wage is still paid by public tax dollars. Regardless of who he/she whores his/her office/influence to he's still employed by the public and, at least legitimately, paid from tax dollars. The fact that he pays more in taxes means nothing as long as he cashes the checks from his job. Arrogance.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years ago
      Well, that is the problem, isn't it? You elect a person with 51% of the vote and the other 49% can suck wind. My statement is that representaive is STILL the representative of all the people in that area, and should, take into account ALL the inputs he/she recieves and act as best suits the overall consensus, if one can be found. It may actually mean being neutral on an issue because of a split vote.Far harder task than what they do today...
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      • Posted by $ blarman 7 years ago
        That's an interesting sentiment, but if followed, would involve the representative voting "Present" on nearly everything. Yes, they represent a geographical area, but no man can serve two masters - or two ideologies.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years ago
          Which would seem to be a fatal flaw in our system, when "Freedom" (ie.laws you can live with) are good for 51% of the country. Something better is needed, or a modification is required. 49% discontented is an issue.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 7 years ago
            "Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something."
            - The Princess Bride

            Discontent can be expressed with tolerance, however. Sadly, what most people are turning away from is polite political discourse and sharing of ideas. I look at the recent Town Hall meetings many Representatives try to hold only to turn into a complete fiasco of organized shouting. That's not productive for anyone.

            It would be great if there were more people who actually engaged their grey matter on their issues instead of solely their emotions and zombie parrot skills. I think that it is a telling part of our nation's future course that things have been agitated to this level. At some point a correction is going to happen and unfortunately I don't believe it is going to be a peaceful one.
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            • Posted by $ 7 years ago
              Yes, that is truth. Civil discourse is not an existent skill in our population anymore..
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              • Posted by Maritimus 7 years ago
                I think that you, gentlemen, generalize way too much. Majorities and minorities have existed since ever and always will. Our Founding Fathers devised a constitutional system of government that handles all that better than any.

                I think that three factors contributed to the present "climate" of political discourse.

                1. There has been a long creep of collectivist socialist ideology, in part a price for the "original sin" of allowing slavery in this country.

                2. The enormous increase, based on technology, in the overall volume ("loudness") of "conversation" and the enabling of huge numbers of poorly educated people, and thus poor thinkers, to be heard.

                3. The fact is that the collectivist socialist ideology is a failure became understood by ever increasing number of people. That made the "losers" emotionally disturbed, as they thought that they won the future. So, they scream their emotions.

                Just my thoughts, respectfully submitted.
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  • Posted by Rocky012 7 years ago
    He is right, but not for the reason he gave. Look up the US budget and you will see every $ the US takes in every year goes to pay the interest on the debt. Not one $ goes to support the gov. Same for your income taxes. His salary and every $ the gov. uses is borrowed from the Federal Reserve and must be paid back plus interest. A huge Ponzi scheme that will fail leaving you and me destitute.
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  • Posted by salta 7 years ago
    So this is his mentality... he has not yet extracted enough salary to get back all his past taxes paid, therefore he is paying his own salary!
    For a businessman, he is not very smart.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 7 years ago
    a Congrssional representative represents not only ALL his constituents, but, more importantly, the Constitution, and all those who have served to protect this country and the ideals of liberty and freedom and the necessity to pass on what the previous generations handed to him to protect...
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  • Posted by bassboat 7 years ago
    Simply said the guy blew it. Anyone insensitive enough to try and make the argument that he made is destined to lose the next election. I'll bet it doesn't help his plumbing business either.
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  • Posted by KRUEG 7 years ago
    HERE in the great state of ILL-NOISE, it just don't matter. Chi-Raq & Crook County pretty much RULE! From Wastington right on down to the local yocals. The GOOD GUY locals try and try but the Madigan Wall is to great to scale
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years ago
    "you graciously pay enough in taxes to fund yourself" So what came first?, our money to pay his salary so he could pay taxes to fund himself or his salary to pay back in taxes our money that gave him his salary in the first place...either way...he is accountable to his constituents an Not Privileged in doing so.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years ago
    Good synopsis nickursis .My thoughts as well.
    He needs to be more conscious of his Delusion of Grandeur.
    Another thought is the Soros organized left will organize to disrupt their opponents. I am thinking of the $6 million or so spent to take down the Arizona Sheriff. when that type of election normally a small fraction of that amount is spent. Right now I have a sense that a big plan is underway for civil disobedience in the future with the minions on standby for the next we gotcha moment.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years ago
      I am in agreement, and the fact people show up just to scream at them, and record it on their iPhone, to put on YouTube and Facebook, just adds to their efforts. It makes manipulation so much easier. Also, there should be some checks made, now that paid agents have been identified, so at least they have to pay some ninny from that district to go...
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  • Posted by voodoo59 7 years ago
    This guy obviously handled this badly. However, I've been on the wrong end of these liberal lynch mobs and you get to the point where you become extremely tired of condescending, educated-beyond-their-intelligence zealots who WILL NOT accept anyone's opinion but their own. You have to constantly remind yourself that this is only 10% (or less) of the populace producing 95% of the noise. In my case, I tried to reduce government, both in size and cost. Those folks did not like that attitude at all!
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    • Posted by $ 7 years ago
      Voodoo, I would think that you have part of it., there are certainly agents provocateur planting themselves in these meeting, which is why these politicians need to learn to deal with them on an intellectual basis, any argument can be effectively negated with logic, but they also make their beds with wanting their meetings to be 30 min yes/no sessions because they really do not want to be there at all.
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