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$10,000,000,000 to create a solar shield to save the global climate.
SOURCE URL: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/24/us-scientists-launch-worlds-biggest-solar-geoengineering-study


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    Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 6 months ago
    "Kevin Trenberth, a lead author for the UN’s intergovernmental panel on climate change, said:

    “our models are just not good enough to predict the outcomes”

    Excuse me? Haven't the UN IPCC been telling everyone for decades that the science is settled and we MUST ACT immediately by destroying our world's economy by cutting use of the only available practical source of energy, i.e., hydrocarbons?
    How can they rationally say such things when they admit that their "models are just not good enough to predict the outcomes”?
    Those who promote such irrational, unsupportable, unscientific, destructive, counter-productive action are nothing more than lying, power mad, statist looters !
    Trenberth just admitted they have been lying for decades.
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    • Posted by  $  Temlakos 2 years, 6 months ago
      Kevin Trenberth is the same man who said, "We cannot show a warming trend, and it is a travesty that we can't." I read it in the Climategate Archive. Of which I still have a copy.
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    • Posted by  $  WilliamShipley 2 years, 6 months ago
      I think you can determine their real agenda when you realize that they are also shutting down nuclear power plants which are 24/7 constant power generation that generate 0 CO2. They also applaud removing dams which provide hydroelectric power, once again without CO2.

      It's not really about CO2, it's about stopping industry.
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      • Posted by  $  Temlakos 2 years, 6 months ago
        Yes, it is. Oddly, Dr. James Hansen, Phil Jones' counterpart at NASA, does not sign on to shutting down the nuclear plants. He plumped for nuclear energy as the replacement-of-choice for fossil fuels.
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        • Posted by  $  WilliamShipley 2 years, 6 months ago
          Well it is. Before "Earth Day" when the environmentalists decided that nuclear power, in fact any power or industry was bad, we expected to have electricity "too cheap to meter".

          That would imply he really believes CO2 is a problem and isn't just latching onto it to further the "green" agenda. Of course that doesn't make him right.
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          • Posted by  $  Temlakos 2 years, 6 months ago
            True. James Hansen is not like all the rest of them. Of course, he has never taken the true test. I haven't seen him rail against the lavish excesses of the Annual Conferences of Parties. 140 business jets! 1200 chauffeured limousines! Whom do they think they're kidding?
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      • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
        ”Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
        Maurice Strong,
        Founder of the UN Environmental Program

        ”A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-Development means bringing our economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation.”
        Paul Ehrlich,
        Professor of Population Studies,
        Author: “Population Bomb”, “Ecoscience”
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  • Posted by BrettRocketSci 2 years, 6 months ago
    Thanks for posting. I have seriously been wondering - if global warming really is a problem, isn't the most cost-effective and obvious solution to increase our cloud cover? We all know it's cooler in the shade. I pose this to the anti-CO2 crusaders in comments and they never have a good response...
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    • Posted by philosophercat 2 years, 6 months ago
      Nuts increase clouds reduce photosynthesis,
      The Earth is a balanced thermodynamic system which means if you disturb one part it automatically changes another part to balance it out. The problem is its impossible to know what the consequent change will be. The models are approximations of the past and have little if any predictive power for thermodynamic systems in the future.
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    • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
      Hi BrettRocketScientist,
      "if global warming really is a problem" It is known that data on global temperatures is manipulated, tampered with and is fraudulent.

      Posted by Brian Sussman in About The Book, Nationally Published Columns on Feb 6th, 2017

      The global temperature is rigged to read warm. I revealed this fact in Climategate in 2010. I restated it in Eco-Tyranny in 2012. Today the Daily Mail verifies my work via government whistleblower: A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.

      With the grand solar minimum and the reduced
      magnetosphere that it causes on our planet. This will increase cloud cover as the cosmic rays
      will enter the stratosphere and form more cloud cover causing a cooling effect. This has already started see: http://www.suspicious0bservers.org/
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  • Posted by Ed75 2 years, 6 months ago
    The discussions on this thread could all be summed up as further indications that our present government is much too large. Almost all of these projects could not be done if it were not for "government using the peoples money".
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  • Posted by Abaco 2 years, 6 months ago
    I've not really followed the whole chemtrails controversy. I do work with another engineer who I respect very much who had some input I found interesting. He's got a place up in the mountains and a couple of the locals there, in a day with a lot of contrails, intercepted these little wispy things that looked like spider webs slowly falling out of the sky. My friend took a close look at it and swears it appears to be metallic. If I remember correctly, some aluminum was found in it. Now...I've been skeptical of a couple similar stories I've heard. But, hearing it from this guy really got my attention. Who the hell knows what they're doing up there? I still don't give it much thought...
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    • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
      That's the deal Abaco, Many people are unaware of the crisscrossing with Chemtrails that just turn the sky milky. They don't evaporate. I have watched two planes flying very high and the contrail was about the length of 10 planes and would quickly disappear the other plane disappears and the trail just spreads out and reaches from horizon to horizon.

      Independent testing over the past decade confirms that Chemtrails around the country contain a dangerous and extremely poisonous mix of chemicals that includes: barium, nano aluminum-coated fiberglass [known as CHAFF], radioactive thorium, cadmium, chromium, nickel, desiccated blood, mold spores, yellow fungal ...
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      • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
        ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20VbbKSHcVI&f...

        The Method of collection wasalso published in an online article in BEFORE IT'S NEWS

        Six rainwater samples were collected in 2011. Each samples was shipped to Basic labs in Redding, California and tested for aluminum, a heavy metal that should not register any detectable amount in normal rainwater.

        Where normal precipitation should contain no aluminum (0 ug/L) each of the 6 lab results collected were found to be significantly contaminated with aluminum up to 182.0 ug/L. Results for Alachua County roughly replicate similar analyses from California, Arizona and even Australia and follow a global trend.

        Mount Shasta News:

        Citizens seeking answers to aluminum contamination concerns Read This

        Deminished Solar Capacity due to Geoengineering aerosols (Persistent Contrails) Read This

        Skeptics who deny that Jet aircraft are spraying aluminized aerosols into the atmosphere are left to explain from where this heavy metal pollution originates.

        Dane Wigington responds to Alachua County tests results:


        Thank you for your efforts to expose the most dire issue of geoengineering. In my years of taking such samples, and communication with those in the know about what should and should not be, all your numbers are far, far above anything

        that should be detected in precipitation. Though we have had astronomically high results here in Shasta County at times, (as high as 3450 ug/l in a single rain event, ) there should be no aluminum in rain, period.

        When I first began to test, I tracked down and spoke to a "hydrogeologist". He was very clear about the aluminum issue. "There should be no aluminum in your rain unless you live next to an Alcoa factory". That is pretty clear.

        We can tell when they are spraying here simply by a PH test with some accuracy. If the PH is in the 5.6 range, little to no spraying. When it raises , sometimes as high as 6.8, spraying is occurring.

        There is now so much aluminum in the stratosphere that all tests will probably show something. This situation is so horribly wrong. All that lives and breaths is being poisoned by the spraying, period.
        Dane Wigington – Investigator and Solar expert, Mt. Shasta, Ca.
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  • Posted by  $  Thoritsu 2 years, 6 months ago
    Good luck getting this misguided mess funded.
    How about we just move the Earth to a larger orbit, or better yet, just move to Mars.
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    • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
      Hi Thoritsu,
      The funding is provided by Bill Gates and other foundations .
      How about Gore, Gates, and Soros moves to Mars.
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      • Posted by jimjamesjames 2 years, 6 months ago
        So, no taxpayer money? at all? NOAA??
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        • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
          Hi jimjamesjames,
          The article said Bill Gates and other foundations are substantially funding the project.
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          • Posted by jimjamesjames 2 years, 6 months ago
            I don't think it said "no govt agencies are involved."
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            • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
              Well the issue is what they are doing and the funding is coming from some where.
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              • Posted by jimjamesjames 2 years, 6 months ago
                Global warming is a scam designed for one thing:
                Scam money from the dupes or truly stupid for the benefit of the complicit.
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                • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
                  Yes and this takes it one step further and jets spraying nano particles of aluminum and barium.
                  Back in the 1960's, quiet scientific dialogue began about global climate change and how it can be manipulated. What might have turned into a productive discussion of responsible protection of Earth's climate and ecosystem had eventually evolved into a mad, controlling science experiment. By the 21st century, jumbo jets were being deployed to drop billions of dollars of nanosized aluminum and other particles into the skies. In attempts to reflect sunlight away from the Earth and cool climate temperatures, this science experiment has exploited populations of people to mass amounts of airborne metals that are literally raining down and poisoning everyone, slowly, subtly.

                  According to neuro-surgeon Russell L. Blaylock, the nanosized aluminum particles found in chem-trails are contributing heavily to degenerative disease today.

                  As the reality of geo-engineering takes hold and as the consequences mount, it's never too late to stop the madness and work together for real grassroots environmental conservation. As these geo engineering experiments utilize military jumbo jets to unleash massive amounts of nanosized aluminum, strontium, and barium particles into the atmosphere, many may wonder if the global warming debate is just political distraction to gain public acceptance for the geo-engineering tactics. Many people are beginning to feel that these chem-trails are secretly employed to control and depopulate. After all, millions of unknowing people have become victims to these mass sprays, as they've become like fish in a bowl. Check your skies for chem-trails.

                  The effects of greenhouse gases are real, but when did any group, government, or billionaire gain the authority to use jets to pour massive amounts of elements on unsuspecting populations of people? As much as their research sounds accredited, they have no moral authority and they have no idea what they are destroying as soil and plants soak up the mass sprays falling on them.
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      • Posted by  $  Thoritsu 2 years, 6 months ago
        Works for me. Gore, Gates and Soros are welcome to fund studies, but even they can't afford to put it in place.
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        • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
          Hi Thoritsu,
          But the Harvard team, in a promotional video for the project, suggest a redirection of one percent of current climate mitigation funds to geoengineering research, and argue that the planet could be covered with a solar shield for as little as $10bn a year.
          Gates net worth $90,000,000,000.00 or 90billion
          Soros net worth $25,000,000,000.00
          Al Gore net worth 200 million.
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  • Posted by  $  Stormi 2 years, 6 months ago
    This sound an awful lot like HAMP, which the government was messing with when Obama wnted to move hurricanes using jets and aerosols.
    They have messing with the ionosphere for years with HAARP, both in Alaska and Puerto Rico. Heating the atmosphere, bending eh jet stream, tampering with no real idea what damage they were causing, I hope. I would hate to think all this was intentional. I just do not trust the UN meeddeling in this sort of thing.
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    • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
      With Huge Black op budgets and govt agencies that have no real oversight. No less than 17 intelligence agencies and a philosophy of the end justifies the means. This leads to reckless dangerous experiment' s or "testing". Kind of like giving high powered weapons to Mexican Drug smugglers to see what the do with them.
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      • Posted by  $  Stormi 2 years, 6 months ago
        I still remember reading about Obama inquiring if they could move hurricane. The jets were up around the time the hurricane moved inland along New Jersey. I always had the feeling Christie was afraid of Obama after that, and nearly hugged him when he came to view the destruction - all after a past of much bad blood. Just saying ......
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        • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
          Watch this you will be surprised.
          https://youtu.be/rL05PemRJ4o
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          • Posted by  $  Stormi 2 years, 6 months ago
            This is like going from HAMP 101 to Hamp 201! I remember they were experimenting with HAMP during Obama, who expressed a desire to move hurricanes. Shortly after I read that , a couple months, New Jersey got slammed. I do not want cooling, we just got moved into a wrmer growing zone last year, now this will kill off my new plants, and cost more for heating in the winter. There really should be a law against the meddling of these idiots.
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            • Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 6 months ago
              The law is the constitution, enforced under the second amendment.
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              • Posted by  $  Stormi 2 years, 6 months ago
                Congress once passed legislation HAARP could not target US citizens, but it has. Now this newest endeavor will be used to change our weather. I remember seeing HAARP clouds over our WalMart just a couple hours before one of the worst storms we have had in years. Full grown pines taken down. The whole sky was filled with perfectly identical rectangular clouds, in perfect rows, row after row, also evenly spaced. When I got out of the car and looked up, I was horrified, I knew what they were and that bad was about to happen. It was at a time Obama was angry at our state.
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                • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
                  Thanks for sharing your observations.
                  Do you have a good link explaining HAMP and HAARP ? I would appreciate it , I don't know to much about them.
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                  • Posted by  $  Stormi 2 years, 6 months ago
                    While in office, Obama set up wto mortgage refinance programs, oddly naming one HAMP and the other HARP, taking the heat off the weather control programs of same or similar names.
                    In our case, HAMP stands for Hurricane Aerosol Microphysics Program. The basics is that they release via aerosol from jets, chemicals which can supposedly reroute hurricanes. In 2012, Obama wanted Homeland Security to make that happen.
                    HAARP stands for High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, ofunded in 1993, using the studies of Tesla from years earlier. Obama said the installation in Alaska had been shut down, but it wsa actually taken down while new contracted players were put in place, it is still running, but some of the equipment was moved to a base in Puerto Rico, where it operates. You can find information and even photos of HAARP clouds online, but be aware that the government sites are not what you want. Somewhere I have a book with all the patents for the project. I also found on Amazon "Angels Don't Play This HAARP"; "Weather Warfare" and HAARP:The Ultimate Weapon of the Conspiracy". The installations send radio waves into the ionosphere, heating it and bending the jet stream. There is some controversy that mind control was the ultimate goal of the military. I know one former military man who was at the Alaska installation. Jesse Ventura went there, but was not admitted, when he went to DC, Congressmen scurried for their offices and closed the doors when he asked about HAARP. When I asked my Congressman how much of our tax dollars went for the project, he turned pale, and changed the subject. However, I did find a video online of a Congressional committee which was discussing, not only HAARP, but similar facilitiess in Britain, Russia and eastern Europe, which they put at about 52 in all, all messing with our weather.
                    Now I hear our government is sending crushed clay and ice pellets into the atmosphere, to lower our temperature, and it said to expect new and weird cloud formations from that. They are calling it a way to lower global warming, which has not been happening in the last 17 years! I think it will lead to more wather instability. This is a different government agency, some geological agency. Hope this helps.
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                    • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
                      Thank you Stormi,
                      OMGoodness all these kakistocrats are tricky
                      Conniving sob's. The people are slowly awakening to these misguided actions. I believe that is why these disclosures are happening , to continue to fool the masses.
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                      • Posted by  $  Stormi 2 years, 6 months ago
                        Back in the 70s, Kissinger (per "Rockefeller Files") said if they could get control of oil, banking and food, they would soon have one world government. Obviously, people were more aware then and it did not happen as scheduled. Now, they have thrown weather into the mix, perhaps with a hope for that ultimate mind control, and they are using these weather modification methods as well. They want control, whatever it takes.
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                        • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
                          In the 70's the CIA coined the term conspiracy theorist to discredit the analysis of Kennedy's assassination . It was very effective. The brainwashed masses react to discussion of the evil ulterior motives of these same connected "fallen idiots" (as OUC would say,) by closing or rolling their eyes.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 2 years, 6 months ago
    I'm of the opinion that there is a clandestine operation of the solar shield is going on without the federal government approval. On clear days here in Az that a number of aircraft eject thick contrails that form into large band of clouds ruining a beautiful sunny day.
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    • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
      The shadow govt probably.There are so many different agency's that operate with out congressional oversight ,hell even with oversight they lie with no consequences in fact often with advancement.
      This is what I witness in Minnesota a beautiful blue sky in the morning is ruined by the afternoon with these so called contrails merging to form thin white cloud that causes the sun to be blocked out from sight yet shadows from trees and objects are almost like a sunny day.
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  • Posted by rtpetrick 2 years, 6 months ago
    President Trump's Budget Director announced on March 17: "Regarding the question about climate change, I think the President was pretty straightforward – we’re not spending money on that anymore,” he stated unflinchingly. “We consider it to be a waste of your money to go out and do that.”
    Thank God or the Diety, or non-Diety of your choice that Mike Mulvaney has a brain. Cut and paste to your browser.....
    https://www.infowars.com/trump-budget...
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 years, 6 months ago
    These creatures are either the dumbest among us or satanically complicit in an effort to kill us all!

    Isn't it bad enough that we will suffer many crop failures due to increased cloud cover, wacky weather, flash freezes and snow at critical times of the growing seasons? Isn't it enough that we have lost most of the worlds winter wheat crops already this year?, (we could really do without modern day wheat, but even Spelt, an ancient wheat, would suffer the same consequences.)

    Isn't it bad enough we are going into a grand solar minimum but we also have our magnetic shields weakened and our magnetic poles moving around further exposing us to cosmic radiation which in turn causes more cloud cover and charges our atmosphere effecting the brains of the unaware and health of all of us?

    It's really not at all nice to screw with mother nature...nothing worse than a women scorned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
      They have no moral authority and they have no idea what they are destroying as soil and plants soak up the mass sprays falling on them. utilizing military jumbo jets to unleash massive amounts of nanosized aluminum, strontium, and barium particles into the atmosphere
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  • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
    Bill Gates and other foundations are substantially funding the project, and aerospace companies are thought to be taking a business interest in the technology’s potential.

    Scientists hope to complete two small-scale dispersals of first water and then calcium carbonate particles by 2022. Future tests could involve seeding the sky with aluminium oxide – or even diamonds.
    “This is not the first or the only university study,” said Gernot Wagner, the project’s co-founder, “but it is most certainly the largest, and the most comprehensive.”
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 years, 6 months ago
    I think geoengineering is inevitable. Reducing emissions by a percentage just addresses a percentage of the problem. This is not to mention the fact even separate from human activities, the climate changes in ways not favorable to human interests. As bad as the solution of reducing carbon emissions is, it's the only thing we have that works. I'm glad people are working on other approaches.
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    • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
      Of course you are glad , you have bought the lie that AGW is a problem. What is your excuse for the
      manipulation of temperature data exposed in climategate or NOAA whistleblower?

      This astonishing evidence that the organization that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change. A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015. –David Rose, Mail on Sunday, 5 February 2017.

      The scandal has disturbing echoes of the ‘Climategate’ affair which broke shortly before the UN climate summit in 2009, when the leak of thousands of emails between climate scientists suggested they had manipulated and hidden data. Some were British experts at the influential Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia…Dr Bates retired from NOAA at the end of last year after a 40-year career in meteorology and climate science. As recently as 2014, the Obama administration awarded him a special gold medal for his work in setting new, supposedly binding standards ‘to produce and preserve climate data records’. Yet when it came to the paper timed to influence the Paris conference, Dr Bates said, these standards were flagrantly ignored…In the weeks after the Pausebuster paper was published, Dr Bates conducted a one-man investigation into this. His findings were extraordinary. Not only had Mr Karl and his colleagues failed to follow any of the formal procedures required to approve and archive their data, they had used a ‘highly experimental early run’ of a programme that tried to combine two previously separate sets of records…Then came the final bombshell. Dr Bates said: ‘I learned that the computer used to process the software had suffered a complete failure.’ The reason for the failure is unknown, but it means the Pausebuster paper can never be replicated or verified by other scientists.
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    • Posted by Abaco 2 years, 6 months ago
      But if they are indeed crop dusting the earth with neurotoxins I'm a little surprised we didn't look at other methods before this one. Just seems like another globalist, military-government-complex boondoggle. I hope I'm wrong, too.
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      • Posted by  $  2 years, 6 months ago
        I don't know for sure what they are doing but it is something. Just look at the sky , The very high flying Jets leaving a trail that seems to just spread out into a milky cloud. I started noticing it about 12 years ago.
        I live near a major airport and have watched planes for decades totally different than in the 20th century.
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        • Posted by Abaco 2 years, 6 months ago
          I grew up around airplanes and am a pilot. My earliest memory is of sitting in my dad's Aircoupe and staring at the dials over my little, white leather shoes - haha. I agree that it's different. I also know that the government and producers wouldn't screw with jet fuel lightly. I'm not sure what's going on. I appreciate your take.
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