White Privilege and Unions

Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 years ago to Humor
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Someone showed me this quote today, and I had a chuckle.
It is a little inappropriate, but can be extended to a variety of peoples not taking responsibility for themselves or for their children, and wanting others to pay for the omission..

"The notion that a group of persons are responsible for the actions of their forefathers by a group that doesn't take responsibility for their children."

BTW, we had a minor unionizing attempt as one of our factories. Interestingly support was polarized around ethnic groups. Black and Hispanic workers overwhelmingly wanted the union. Vietnamese and other Asian peoples (much more recent immigrants) were dead set against it. White peoples were split.

It is interesting how significant cultural inertia is.


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  • Posted by Ben_C 7 years ago
    I can't speak for all but in New Orleans the Vietnamese arrived and went to work without complaint. Nothing was beneath their dignity. They did not ask for handouts. Today many are reaping the benefits of capitalism and enjoying the fruits of their labor. They are respected by those that matter. What a concept.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 7 years ago
    i was an airline pilot and a member of the union...didn't like it one bit...but recognize that most unions exist because of poor management or ownership...

    that said i launched a campaign to become president of the pilot union on the ESOP platform (make the pilots owners of the company and hire our own management)...scare tactics won out, but time and events proved me right...management bankrupted the company and shed the pilot retirement program in bankruptcy...each pilot's retirement check was 7 figures...all lost)...i retired before the bankruptcy and took mine out...

    ESOP stands for Employee Stock Ownership Program...a Federal law...
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    • Posted by bassboat 7 years ago
      What amount of money did the pilots put up to become owners of the airline/ They are employees. The 7 figure retirement check is one reason the airline went bankrupt. I agree that allowing this is bad management but pilots should form their own airline if they want to, not become owners by default.
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      • Posted by mia767ca 7 years ago
        so the retirement contribution varied from $15K to $45K per year based on what you were flying and in what seat...co-pilots made ruffly half of what captains made...you were paid by the weight of aircraft that you flew...your retirement check was based on the best/highest paid 5 years of your last 10 with the company...hence why the most senior pilots flew the heavy 747, 767, 777...which also flew the highest and longest hours and did the most damage to your body...pilots have the shortest life span of any white collar job...radiation absorption at flight level 41,000 ft...many times the normal cancers and heart disease...many eye problems from the 7 screens in the cockpit...
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      • Posted by mia767ca 7 years ago
        do not disagree with anything you said...but i had to deal with the reality i was hired into...

        the acquisition of the ESOP would have required that the pilots go without retirement contributions for 3-4 years while acquiring stock...i would have pressed hard to get flight attendants and mechanics on board...then maybe 2 1/2 years...but in the end it was a madhouse of finger-pointing and a loss of focus...there are tremendous tax advantages to ESOP (written by democrats for unions)...taxpayer ends up paying $.40 of every dollar spent to acquire assets (airplanes, etc)...write-offs are accelerated...and so on...the long run would have been very profitable and was the ONLY path to preserve the retirement plan...it was very frustrating trying to deal with 10,00+ pilots...like i said i had support at the highest management levels and the White House...i think i blew it, but i had tremendous forces against me and the mud started flying...i did not have the organization to deal with it all...the union tried to get me fired over it, but i had a back-door to the CEO and survived that...in the end, i just shrugged let them to their demise...what a lesson right out of Atlas Shrugged...i am at peace now with everything, but it is forever sad...like what is happening to this once great and promising country...
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years ago
    When I hear "White Privilege" I immediately think of Democrats, progressives, marxist and communist...all these groups are racist by nature, not responsible, antilectual and generally Not Conscious Beings at all.
    Unions, themselves, just like Karl Marx...feel they should live off the value creation of others and doing the Least possible in return.

    So why must the rest of Western Civilization, primarily White... take the brunt of this crap? It would seem, we are the only one's to get off our asses and create value for the rest of collective monkey asses of the world.
    (Monkey's, BTW, come in all shapes, sizes and colors) so don't think you can put that one on us.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years ago
    What many people do not know is that the Davis-Bacon Act - which mandates a Federal minimum wage for all Federal jobs - was created to block black companies from road work. White unionized companies which had traditionally received the work bids for roads and such were being underbid by black-owned companies, so they lobbied successfully to pass a minimum wage (which not coincidentally also happened to be the wage rate they wanted for their union companies.)

    In short: unions had a major hand in repressing blacks and continue to do so today.
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  • Posted by Lucky 7 years ago
    Try this:
    The notion, held by a group that does not take responsibility for themselves or their children,
    that another group are responsible for the actions of their ancestors.

    When written clearly, maybe my words can be improved, it is an awesome statement.
    Where does the thought come from?
    I think it is misquoted in the header.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 7 years ago
    all my pilot friends at the airline still call me and regret not making me president...i even had backdoor access to the WhiteHouse and assurances from the Clintons that they would back me...never got to find out what it was going to cost us to get that support...be thankful for small things..
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years ago
    I wonder if the cause is level of actual experience working at a union shop.

    Someone with actual facts can correct me, but my perception is:
    Asian countries- Many have widespread mandatory union-like organizations.
    Latin American countries - Unions less common
    African Americans - Were historically not part of US unions.
    European Americans - Historically controlled US unions, but unions have become less powerful so maybe half of them have experience with unions.

    Under this hypothesis, the more you know about unions the less you like them.

    BTW, I could not understand the quote. I think a word is missing. I don't understand it.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years ago
      I was thinking along those lines, although I was thinking the Asians didn't like the idea that their hard work would be "absorbed" by others, based on their cultural experience.

      Don't know what is missing from the quote. Makes sense to me.
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