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Militant Left Getting Their Way as I Go Galt

Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 3 months ago to Philosophy
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Had an interesting conversation yesterday. I happened to be almost home at the end of a jog when a car pulled up. It was our family doctor. We have become good friends, and beer-drinking buddies. He quickly convinced me that a beer was just what I needed at the end of a jog so I stopped by his place (we're neighbors). He was bringing home some beer from a local brewpub that has gained the attention of the militants. Recently, the owner of the pub said on his facebook page something less than supportive of the women's march. I don't know the details. Well, now they are threatening to put him out of business, attack him, etc. I joked that if Doc and I walk in there we might get punched in the back of the head (ala Trump rally). Then, we started discussing how the left really is getting more aggressive...ultimately, how they are becoming more like...Nazis. We actually do fear entering some businesses, saying things publicly that we might have said a few years ago, etc. Sad thought. In that regard, I suppose the new, more threatening tactics are effective. I note this symbiotic relationship between slipping away and self-preservation while I slowly go Galt. Doc was very clear about the need to keep our mouths shut. We sat out on his porch enjoying a wonderful rye as the sun dropped low...enjoying the peace.


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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 9 years, 3 months ago
    At least here in Arizona you can open carry no one will come up to you to argue their political viewpoint. The Dimms from California having move here are trying to make themselves heard, again they don't pick a fight with someone with a gun on their hip.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I hope you're wrong. I don't see it happening. My daughter is in a class with someone who received a threatening letter that had a racist element to it. It does not mention politics, but people associate with President Trump, unfairly I think because our neighborhood voted 90% for Clinton. I really think it's the same crap you're saying about "communist-inspired violence" and "anarchy in the streets". I think it's only happening in the narrative of media outlets struggling to get viewers when no real crisis is happening. Even has a boogie-man "communist" violence sounds out of date.

    I could be wrong. Every other day when I'm home I hear some anecdote about President Trump's supporters bringing back racism and homophobia. I don't see these redneck idiots or leftist hippies managing their way out of a paper bag. And when I think about the underlying disputes, they seem less intense than in the past. Integration was a big deal. Now what issues are these "drones" and their intellectual vanguard fired up about? I say nothing. There are always people who can get stuff done and want to blame it somebody else. So I don't buy it. If you're right, then people are forming violent factions over what appears to me to be nothing.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago
    I saw on the news yesterday that there were several "pro-Trump" rallies held around the country this weekend where the pro-President attendees were ready for a tussle and there's some good footage of them actually fighting back. Some cowards with black masks really got punched in the face good in some of the news footage. It was just a matter of time, I guess. The news reporters were doing their best to spin it, as though the people who started the fights were unknown. Pretty funny.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    secular humanists are atheist socialists...same difference...different name...more militant with the atheism...
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not about a style of news coverage. The violence and street action is ideologically driven and has been in this form since the rise of the New Left in the 1960s. It previously in this country took the form of communist-inspired labor union violence before moving into the universities under Alinsky tactics.

    The leftist intellectuals who took over the universities are now in all realms of education, the media and political power (e.g. Obama and Clinton). They are leading the drones who are less intellectual but who have absorbed the same premises and sense of life. If those engaging in anarchy in the streets, as opposed to the rest of it, were not still in a minority the country would be in chaotic anarchy instead of its current state of pandering to it. That doesn't make it unserious either now or for where it is headed.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    O'Hair was a socialist.

    What is a "humanist" and what does atheism have to do with any of this?
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  • Posted by chad 9 years, 3 months ago
    The left (socialists) have always claimed they love mankind while enslaving it and demanding more of it while it gets less for its efforts. I don't think liberty and freedom will ever return. It was (a constitutional republic) a great idea that didn't last long. With the advent of computer technology and the ever decreasing size of chip with the ever increasing ability to store data living off the grid (and out of their control) is not a reality. If you have a debit/credit card with a chip, a smart phone, hook up to the internet in any way your whereabouts, your habits, everything thing you say can easily be known.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The tenor of your comment is that the Crossfire-style coverage of news that commentators use to get attention actually drives people to physical violence. I tend to think most people see through the hype and/or just aren't into policy to get swept up in it. Many people who do, as you suggest, were looking for an excuse to be violent anyway.
    "the race baiting by Obama and the left, including their attacks on the police departments"
    I think those to whom that notion (i.e. that President Obama or President Trump are fomenting riots/crimes) makes any sense at all are a minority, and it's a small fraction of those who would actually act on it. People who believe this crap are generally not those who get stuff done.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    my exchanges with the Secular Humanists are along the lines of what you are experiencing...these are the "vocal" atheists...Madelyn Murray O'Hair descendants (got to know Ms O'Hair in austin, tx way back when)...totally absent of any coherent philosophy...they just like to rant...

    Lib Party has been totally gutted of any consistency....for freedom and liberty...most disgusting...

    i got kicked out of the online forum of the Tea Party for pointing out the contradictions of the conservative movement...and told not to come to tea party rallies because i was too logical...unbelievable...

    got a girlfriend that i am on the same page with...we are in our late 60's...been retired 15 years...tired of sitting around on the beach waiting to die...bought RV...will be workcampers till we can't....

    Boston is a great experience...participate in as many activities as possible...bring a book to read and food in Hopkintons until the race starts (noon...you are bused out at 8 am)...wear layers until the race starts then you will take clothes, book, and food to bus in a carry bag with your number on it for collection at the finish line...if you still can, sign up for tour of Hopkinton and the route...girls at Wasser is like running a gauntlet...Newton hills will destroy your legs...Heartbreak is 20/21 mile marker...then long downhill and then flat death march to finish line...Boston College and Boston U. students will offer you beer...and will throw you back on the course if you try to walk off....great fun...
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Boston 13 times -- congratulations! I am in my 50's and finally ran a BQ last year ... my first Boston is this April.

    I was having dinner with a good friend / business partner and his wife the other night... and was lamenting the observation that so many trail runners and mountain climbers are overt modern liberals / progressives. But, I suspect that it's really a matter of libs being highly vocal (rather noisy actually) ... whereas libertarians and conservatives (live and let live / keep your beliefs personal) tend to be on the quieter side. My next door neighbors are total lib: she is a govt teacher (teaches disadvantaged and troubled kids), he is on SSDI. They are good people -- but if the topic of 'politics' comes up, I hold my tongue. I will never change their minds, not with math (economics), logic, reason. At this point in time, however, I have decided not to just let their nonsense slide. If they decide to talk politics, I will shine the bright light of objectivity and reason on their economically absurd nonsense and conceit-enriched hypocrisy. It may cost a 13 year friendship ... so be it. Soon, I will be among like-minded individuals (retirement) and I think that will reduce some of the stress in my life.

    Well done on being party to the founding of the Libertarian Party. I was at a few of the early Tea Party rallies ... but that has sort of evaporated ... talking to other Party attendees, we have too much to do (careers, running our businesses, raising families, building a future) -- and don't have the time or priority to be marching, chanting, throwing rocks and bottles ... Looking forward to being among the reasonable and sane in the coming years. Cheers.
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  • Posted by $ TomB666 9 years, 3 months ago
    And they will expect us to continue feeding them as they slaughter us :-(
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  • Posted by mia767ca 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    we store our RV in a small town just east of california border...quartzsite...we have a RV rally in Tucson mid-march...Escapees.com...Escapade/Tucson...then i will be driving my car out to Tucson early april to hook up to the RV and drive to Yellowstone to work there for the summer (may 1st to oct 15th)...over 1,000 miles of hiking trails...

    i have finished 77 marathons...Boston 13 times...i was at the founding of the Libertarian Party in Ft Collins in 1970...

    from quartzsite we travel to Temecula and the boutique wineries (45 of them...more than i can do in one day...ha, ha), which is 60 miles east of San Diego...
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The crimes in run-of-the-mill slums aren't particularly motivated by national politics, but the race baiting by Obama and the left, including their attacks on the police departments, stirred up those looking for an excuse to go into a frenzy. To say that they were directly motivated by "national politics" over-estimates the state of their intellects. But the leftist "protestors" committing crimes out of their own bigotry and more in the name of "protests" against "nazis" and the rest of the rhetoric is directly motivated and planned by their politics. It was even exposed as being promoted by a high level Clinton campaign leader, cynically planned to make it look like Trump caused it.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There was a big spike on and around the day of the inauguration when the "marching protestors" spread their violence. And that doesn't count the celebrities and their sycophant followers musing about blowing up the White House. But that isn't what is meant by the crime-spike rumors, which claim Trump instigated bigotry-motivated crime. They think that the police enforcing the law against violence is bigotry.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Of course "
    Of course is the most likely place for mistakes in math and science. I don't have evidence, but it really doesn't ring true for me. As I said below, I the criminals look over their shoulder for an immediate deterrent and hardly give thought to national politics.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "There was a rise in bigotry-motivated crimes"
    Do you think this is really happening though? It seems like crime happens, and now it's easier to publish a media site or social media feed saying without evidence the crime is part of a trend of rising crime and that it's related to who is president. It just doesn't ring true to me that people committing crimes take into account national politics. I think they look over their shoulder for a cop or anyone else who might stop them immediately.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Of course there has been a spike in bigotry-motivated crime since Trump was elected -- by progressive "protestors" pretending they aren't bigots.
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for your thoughts and observations. I've been thinking about the RV transition for the past few years ... I live in Eastern Washington... lots of Trump signs, in particular, the large banners on farm and large parcels. Head over the Cascades and you can still see a few beat-up Sanders and Clinton signs. I head down to So. Cali once a year to visit Death Valley and run a marathon or two. The appearance along the boardwalks (think Huntington Beach) and high-end homes gives the appearance of wealth. But appearances are not reality. I am looking forward to coalescing with the libertarian birds of a feather... Arizona, Wyoming, Utah. Cheers!
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There was a rise in bigotry-motivated crimes under President Obama and that trend continues among the population which supported him now that Trump is President. My only hope is that these rabble-rousers take pause for the next X years knowing that Trump isn't going to be nearly as sympathetic to their lawlessness as Obama was...
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 3 months ago
    There is no such thing as "live and let live" any longer. No such thing as reasoned disagreement. There is only one outcome of such a prolonged and literally hate-filled system: war. Unless reason suddenly becomes the method of dealing with disagreements, it will devolve into emotion-based physical attacks to the point of civic collapse.
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  • Posted by voodoo59 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They don't hate their own guns- they hate those of us who disagree with them having guns. It sounds like all the scared, hypocrite lefties will make Trump the second best gun salesman of all time.
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  • Posted by voodoo59 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Absolutely! I'm sick of their rhetoric and condescending attitudes. These lefties truly believe that they are always right. During the past eight years of regression, they thought that things would always go their way and we were simply pathetic, uninformed bigots, racists, ... that would eventually disappear under the force of their convictions. They still don't believe that they lost- and never will. Make no mistake, they will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to regain their power. They have no boundaries. Buckle up- it's going to get ugly!
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