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Militant Left Getting Their Way as I Go Galt

Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 1 month ago to Philosophy
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Had an interesting conversation yesterday. I happened to be almost home at the end of a jog when a car pulled up. It was our family doctor. We have become good friends, and beer-drinking buddies. He quickly convinced me that a beer was just what I needed at the end of a jog so I stopped by his place (we're neighbors). He was bringing home some beer from a local brewpub that has gained the attention of the militants. Recently, the owner of the pub said on his facebook page something less than supportive of the women's march. I don't know the details. Well, now they are threatening to put him out of business, attack him, etc. I joked that if Doc and I walk in there we might get punched in the back of the head (ala Trump rally). Then, we started discussing how the left really is getting more aggressive...ultimately, how they are becoming more like...Nazis. We actually do fear entering some businesses, saying things publicly that we might have said a few years ago, etc. Sad thought. In that regard, I suppose the new, more threatening tactics are effective. I note this symbiotic relationship between slipping away and self-preservation while I slowly go Galt. Doc was very clear about the need to keep our mouths shut. We sat out on his porch enjoying a wonderful rye as the sun dropped low...enjoying the peace.


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    Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 1 month ago
    Open carry would probably have the effect needed, Abaco, but I would also rather have a good brew in peaceful surroundings than dealing with condescending, brainwashed, naive, ignorant socialist thugs.
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  • Posted by jimslag 7 years, 1 month ago
    Agree Abaco. The left is getting very militant. A Norway investment company just divested itself of the companies that are part of the DAPL because of the left wing divest project. The left is back to it's bombing, both figuratively and financially. The problem is not that we need to keep our mouths shut but that we need to be vocal about what is happening. I like the remark about enjoying the rye, enjoy one for me as I quit drinking over 30 years ago.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
      This is what we were talking about last night. I expressed how tempting it is to use my skill with words to set up a small, secret group of counter-activists. But, I was quickly reminded of the trouble that would bring. That's why I say they are getting their way. Perhaps this is straight out of Rules for Radicals. I'm sticking with my thoughts about just letting everything collapse while I sit peacefully away, enjoying a cold one. Good for your on quitting the booze if that's what was needed. Alcohol is not for everybody.
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      • Posted by jimslag 7 years, 1 month ago
        When I retired from the military, I bartended at the local VFW. I saw the way my friends and neighbors acted when they drank and thought to myself that I did not want to be like that. But it actually started while I was still in the military and I was stationed in the Middle East where alcohol is prohibited, then went to Iceland where they are real strict on drinking and doing anything. I had a kid get arrested for drinking and riding a bike.As for everything else, yes, it is right out of Rules for Radicals. Yes, it would probably bring trouble. However, things are already falling apart and it is not something Trump is doing but what those that oppose Trump are doing along with BLM and all the Soros backed groups.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 1 month ago
    i was born under a wandering star...sold the house and bought an RV...travel and work the country now, off the grid...
    travel in Arizona...nothing but Trump signs...cross over into California...Bernie Sanders and Hillary signs...and Cal will vote in 2018 to leave the union...paradise lost...working in Yellowstone this summer...see how that goes...90%+ of the RV crowd is libertarian...happy campfires...
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    • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 7 years, 1 month ago
      Washington state was very similar to your experience with Arizona and California. Hillary signs to the west of the Cascade crest...Trump signs to the east.

      I think a Great Wall would be in order...
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    • Posted by $ pixelate 7 years, 1 month ago
      Thanks for your thoughts and observations. I've been thinking about the RV transition for the past few years ... I live in Eastern Washington... lots of Trump signs, in particular, the large banners on farm and large parcels. Head over the Cascades and you can still see a few beat-up Sanders and Clinton signs. I head down to So. Cali once a year to visit Death Valley and run a marathon or two. The appearance along the boardwalks (think Huntington Beach) and high-end homes gives the appearance of wealth. But appearances are not reality. I am looking forward to coalescing with the libertarian birds of a feather... Arizona, Wyoming, Utah. Cheers!
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      • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 1 month ago
        we store our RV in a small town just east of california border...quartzsite...we have a RV rally in Tucson mid-march...Escapees.com...Escapade/Tucson...then i will be driving my car out to Tucson early april to hook up to the RV and drive to Yellowstone to work there for the summer (may 1st to oct 15th)...over 1,000 miles of hiking trails...

        i have finished 77 marathons...Boston 13 times...i was at the founding of the Libertarian Party in Ft Collins in 1970...

        from quartzsite we travel to Temecula and the boutique wineries (45 of them...more than i can do in one day...ha, ha), which is 60 miles east of San Diego...
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        • Posted by $ pixelate 7 years, 1 month ago
          Boston 13 times -- congratulations! I am in my 50's and finally ran a BQ last year ... my first Boston is this April.

          I was having dinner with a good friend / business partner and his wife the other night... and was lamenting the observation that so many trail runners and mountain climbers are overt modern liberals / progressives. But, I suspect that it's really a matter of libs being highly vocal (rather noisy actually) ... whereas libertarians and conservatives (live and let live / keep your beliefs personal) tend to be on the quieter side. My next door neighbors are total lib: she is a govt teacher (teaches disadvantaged and troubled kids), he is on SSDI. They are good people -- but if the topic of 'politics' comes up, I hold my tongue. I will never change their minds, not with math (economics), logic, reason. At this point in time, however, I have decided not to just let their nonsense slide. If they decide to talk politics, I will shine the bright light of objectivity and reason on their economically absurd nonsense and conceit-enriched hypocrisy. It may cost a 13 year friendship ... so be it. Soon, I will be among like-minded individuals (retirement) and I think that will reduce some of the stress in my life.

          Well done on being party to the founding of the Libertarian Party. I was at a few of the early Tea Party rallies ... but that has sort of evaporated ... talking to other Party attendees, we have too much to do (careers, running our businesses, raising families, building a future) -- and don't have the time or priority to be marching, chanting, throwing rocks and bottles ... Looking forward to being among the reasonable and sane in the coming years. Cheers.
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          • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 1 month ago
            my exchanges with the Secular Humanists are along the lines of what you are experiencing...these are the "vocal" atheists...Madelyn Murray O'Hair descendants (got to know Ms O'Hair in austin, tx way back when)...totally absent of any coherent philosophy...they just like to rant...

            Lib Party has been totally gutted of any consistency....for freedom and liberty...most disgusting...

            i got kicked out of the online forum of the Tea Party for pointing out the contradictions of the conservative movement...and told not to come to tea party rallies because i was too logical...unbelievable...

            got a girlfriend that i am on the same page with...we are in our late 60's...been retired 15 years...tired of sitting around on the beach waiting to die...bought RV...will be workcampers till we can't....

            Boston is a great experience...participate in as many activities as possible...bring a book to read and food in Hopkintons until the race starts (noon...you are bused out at 8 am)...wear layers until the race starts then you will take clothes, book, and food to bus in a carry bag with your number on it for collection at the finish line...if you still can, sign up for tour of Hopkinton and the route...girls at Wasser is like running a gauntlet...Newton hills will destroy your legs...Heartbreak is 20/21 mile marker...then long downhill and then flat death march to finish line...Boston College and Boston U. students will offer you beer...and will throw you back on the course if you try to walk off....great fun...
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            • Posted by $ pixelate 7 years ago
              Thanks for your further thoughts and reflections ... Although I consider myself an atheist, I am by no means militant... in fact, I invite my LDS friends to offer a prayer during our picnic gatherings. They are good folks (even though many of my Mormon friends know that I am without-a-god, we still get along very well).

              As for Boston .... that is this coming weekend. I am heading over with a friend that has run it a few times already, so he already has the logistics set... more advice is welcomed though, and I appreciate your words. Layers, book and extra grub for pre-race enjoyment sounds like a plan. I am looking forward to the beer offerings and will make every attempt to get thrown back onto the course. It will be a slow race... I am a slow runner, this will likely be my first and last Boston... the idea is to enjoy it to the fullest extent possible. Cheers!
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              • Posted by mia767ca 7 years ago
                my cheers are with you...i loved the race...my name is John Kelly...and i ran with the original Johnnie Kelley in his last years of running Boston...he was slow enough then that i could keep up with him...my best marathon time is 2:57...i finished 77 marathons total...lived my life as an airline pilot...which means i spent 1/3 of my life in hotel rooms...gets old fast...so go out and run....
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                • Posted by $ pixelate 7 years ago
                  Hey John ... my name is Patrick Grengs. Your fastest time is a full 30 minutes faster than my fastest time... well done! I just got back from Boston... 3:51. I planned to run a "sub-5" just soak it all in, no hurry. Well, the course and weather were excellent... and the spectators and their energy were completely beyond my expectations. I must have been "in the zone" because nobody offered beer ... but there were a raft of good folks handing out orange slices (my food of choice for any run). The last four blocks along Boylston to the finish line are without equal in my running experiences (150+ marathons and ultras at this point). I stayed with a friend that was running his 4th Boston. He told me that my BQ time from Sept 18 2016 will also count for 2018 Boston ... long story short, I plan to return to that singularly amazing racing event.

                  I have a ton of respect for pilots. Back in 2008, I took ground school then soloed. Life got hectic, the weather got lousy and I never completed my GA Cert. I continue to contemplate getting back top-side... maybe when I "retire" -- that's in quotes because I can't imagine ever just sitting around... I am organizing a Grand Canyon R2R2R crossing with some friends along with a summit of Mt. Adams and long hike through the Enchantment Lakes for this summer. It would be a kick to become a part-time adventure guide... stay "connected to the Earth" in terms of other people, commerce... and have side-line income from a few duplexes. In any case -- I wish you continued happiness in your RV and camping adventures. It's a bonus to be able to share that time with one special person that has a similar mindset. Cheers.
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                  • Posted by mia767ca 7 years ago
                    Patrick...big congrats on your Boston...I was watching the news all day and wondering how it was going for you...as we pilots say...may all your winds be tailwinds....and, yes, your qual time usually gives you two Bostons...just finished watching Patriot about the bombings...I have had family and friends right on those spots in prior years...

                    we have spent the week in the RV park in Laughlin, Nevada, just relaxing along the Colorado River...we start our drive to Yellowstone Saturday...still a little chilly up there (90s here)...I am mostly raw vegan...grow my own food...I have a dozen trays started...wheatgrass, pea, and sunflower sprouts...do 2 ozs of wheatgrass first thing in the morning...followed by 16 ozs of greendrink...with every green veggie I can find...all juiced...then again in the late afternoon...my current girlfriend came to me 5 yrs ago with breast cancer...she knew I had a healthy lifestyle...her mother had died of breast cancer and her husband had died of cancer...I put her on an intensive juicing program...shrunk the tumor in 1/2 in three weeks...she had the rest removed surgically and has been cancer-free ever since... I have 150 ilbs of seed in the trunk of my car to grow in Yellowstone all summer and into the fall...we leave mid-oct.

                    there are 1,000 miles of hiking trails in Yellowstone...my goal is to do all of them...if you get close drop me a line mia767ca@aol.com or call...561-307-0704 ....but be warned...cell phone reception is very poor and internet is dial-up...john
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                    • Posted by $ pixelate 6 years, 11 months ago
                      Hey John ... thanks for the information. I am going to post to you via that Email. I have more questions regarding your diet, RV travels, and How you Arrived at this Place in your life. Cheers to the memories of Dial-up!
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                      • Posted by mia767ca 6 years, 11 months ago
                        look forward to communicating with you...we are at a Pilot truck stop in Idaho Falls today...drive early tomorrow morning the final 100 miles to West Yellowstone (4,000 miles so far from south florida)...100 degrees two days ago in Laughlin, Nevada on the Colorado River...3 inches of snow on my car this morning in Idaho Falls...forgot to buy a ice/snow scraper along the way...used to have airline pilot layovers here 25 years ago (we living in Dallas at the time and preparing for a marathon)...hot summers in dallas....cool summers in Idaho Falls...would put my feet in the Snake River after a long training run and watch them turn blue and purple water...

                        when my girlfriend was here by herself 10 years ago, there are very poor internet dial up and no cell phone reception...we will go to Cody, Wy on our days off (nearest movie theater, cell phone reception, and Walmart)...so I will catch up on messages...

                        john k
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            • Posted by ewv 7 years, 1 month ago
              O'Hair was a socialist.

              What is a "humanist" and what does atheism have to do with any of this?
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              • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 1 month ago
                secular humanists are atheist socialists...same difference...different name...more militant with the atheism...
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                • Posted by ewv 7 years, 1 month ago
                  "Humanist" is a vague term that designates nothing. Atheism has nothing to do with any of this. It means rejection of belief in the supernatural, not "militant".
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                  • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 1 month ago
                    they are using the terms to define themselves and to deflect opposition...i do not support them or their altruist philosophy...
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                    • Posted by ewv 7 years, 1 month ago
                      Anyone can "use" terms any way he wants to without valid concepts. They do not define "secular humanist" as anything but vague references including themselves, with no conceptual meaning. Anyone can be "humanist". Atheism has nothing to do with it and does not mean more "militant".

                      Atheism means rejection of the supernatural, which includes all kinds of people, including Ayn Rand. Saying that someone rejects the supernatural does not say what he does believe or why. Denouncing leftists as "atheist" misses the point of what they are and typically tries to package-deal rejection of religion as such with collectivism. O'Hair in particular was a socialist, not just "atheist". Her views had nothing in common with Ayn Rand or a lot of other people who rationally reject religion.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 1 month ago
    There is no such thing as "live and let live" any longer. No such thing as reasoned disagreement. There is only one outcome of such a prolonged and literally hate-filled system: war. Unless reason suddenly becomes the method of dealing with disagreements, it will devolve into emotion-based physical attacks to the point of civic collapse.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 7 years, 1 month ago
    I often feel more free to talk in South America (Colombia, Peru, Chile) than in my home state of Arizona for fear of retaliation by liberals. Others must feel intimidated, too, as even during the campaign I saw no Trump signs. In fact, the only signs I saw were local politicians. Anyone but Trump would have surrendered by now, in the mold of former GOP presidents. Let's hope, for all his faults, he does not cave and we end up with a Hillary of some sort.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 years, 1 month ago
    Fearing these militant lefties? I don't think so. If hey throw the first rock, they better be running.
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    • Posted by voodoo59 7 years, 1 month ago
      Absolutely! I'm sick of their rhetoric and condescending attitudes. These lefties truly believe that they are always right. During the past eight years of regression, they thought that things would always go their way and we were simply pathetic, uninformed bigots, racists, ... that would eventually disappear under the force of their convictions. They still don't believe that they lost- and never will. Make no mistake, they will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to regain their power. They have no boundaries. Buckle up- it's going to get ugly!
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 7 years, 1 month ago
    At least here in Arizona you can open carry no one will come up to you to argue their political viewpoint. The Dimms from California having move here are trying to make themselves heard, again they don't pick a fight with someone with a gun on their hip.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
    I saw on the news yesterday that there were several "pro-Trump" rallies held around the country this weekend where the pro-President attendees were ready for a tussle and there's some good footage of them actually fighting back. Some cowards with black masks really got punched in the face good in some of the news footage. It was just a matter of time, I guess. The news reporters were doing their best to spin it, as though the people who started the fights were unknown. Pretty funny.
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  • Posted by chad 7 years, 1 month ago
    The left (socialists) have always claimed they love mankind while enslaving it and demanding more of it while it gets less for its efforts. I don't think liberty and freedom will ever return. It was (a constitutional republic) a great idea that didn't last long. With the advent of computer technology and the ever decreasing size of chip with the ever increasing ability to store data living off the grid (and out of their control) is not a reality. If you have a debit/credit card with a chip, a smart phone, hook up to the internet in any way your whereabouts, your habits, everything thing you say can easily be known.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
    This strikes me as being like the claim that there has been a spike in bigotry-motivated crime since President Trump was elected. I do not believe these claims.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
      I understand that sentiment. But, in this specific case the owner of the brew pub told my friend directly that he's getting threats due to his political stance. I try not to believe too much of the info provided by the news media. But, I do place some value on these types of examples.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
        "he's getting threats due to his political stance"
        That's horrible. I'm sorry to hear that. I don't think we should take actual threats lightly. People think our Constitutional gov't is so stable that there's no real need to worry about it devolving into some form of mobs. I'm not paranoid about it, but considering how widely the Constitution has been interpreted, it could fall apart. Then some people will tell you that's okay because whatever comes next couldn't be worse than our current gov't. This is the flood myth to me. If it devolves into mobs, things could and probably would get MUCH worse.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
          The story I'm getting on this situation, now that you mention it, reminds me of what I was told by a couple families I know who escaped Venezuela just as it slipped over the edge. At that time there people would be threatened by fellow citizens for voicing an opinion that was not politically correct.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
            "reminds me of what I was told by a couple families I know who escaped Venezuela just as it slipped over the edge."
            I have the human urge to deny it because I wish it were not true. I hope it's not true, anyway.
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            • Posted by ewv 7 years, 1 month ago
              There is no "human urge" to deny facts based on wishes. That is subjectivism. Whether or not one has such an urge depends on his chosen values, in particular whether or not he habitually values objectivity and logic. Oppression in socialist countries like Venezuela is brutal.
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    • Posted by ewv 7 years, 1 month ago
      Of course there has been a spike in bigotry-motivated crime since Trump was elected -- by progressive "protestors" pretending they aren't bigots.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
        "Of course "
        Of course is the most likely place for mistakes in math and science. I don't have evidence, but it really doesn't ring true for me. As I said below, I the criminals look over their shoulder for an immediate deterrent and hardly give thought to national politics.
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        • Posted by ewv 7 years, 1 month ago
          There was a big spike on and around the day of the inauguration when the "marching protestors" spread their violence. And that doesn't count the celebrities and their sycophant followers musing about blowing up the White House. But that isn't what is meant by the crime-spike rumors, which claim Trump instigated bigotry-motivated crime. They think that the police enforcing the law against violence is bigotry.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 1 month ago
      There was a rise in bigotry-motivated crimes under President Obama and that trend continues among the population which supported him now that Trump is President. My only hope is that these rabble-rousers take pause for the next X years knowing that Trump isn't going to be nearly as sympathetic to their lawlessness as Obama was...
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
        "There was a rise in bigotry-motivated crimes"
        Do you think this is really happening though? It seems like crime happens, and now it's easier to publish a media site or social media feed saying without evidence the crime is part of a trend of rising crime and that it's related to who is president. It just doesn't ring true to me that people committing crimes take into account national politics. I think they look over their shoulder for a cop or anyone else who might stop them immediately.
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        • Posted by ewv 7 years, 1 month ago
          The crimes in run-of-the-mill slums aren't particularly motivated by national politics, but the race baiting by Obama and the left, including their attacks on the police departments, stirred up those looking for an excuse to go into a frenzy. To say that they were directly motivated by "national politics" over-estimates the state of their intellects. But the leftist "protestors" committing crimes out of their own bigotry and more in the name of "protests" against "nazis" and the rest of the rhetoric is directly motivated and planned by their politics. It was even exposed as being promoted by a high level Clinton campaign leader, cynically planned to make it look like Trump caused it.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
            The tenor of your comment is that the Crossfire-style coverage of news that commentators use to get attention actually drives people to physical violence. I tend to think most people see through the hype and/or just aren't into policy to get swept up in it. Many people who do, as you suggest, were looking for an excuse to be violent anyway.
            "the race baiting by Obama and the left, including their attacks on the police departments"
            I think those to whom that notion (i.e. that President Obama or President Trump are fomenting riots/crimes) makes any sense at all are a minority, and it's a small fraction of those who would actually act on it. People who believe this crap are generally not those who get stuff done.
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            • Posted by ewv 7 years, 1 month ago
              It's not about a style of news coverage. The violence and street action is ideologically driven and has been in this form since the rise of the New Left in the 1960s. It previously in this country took the form of communist-inspired labor union violence before moving into the universities under Alinsky tactics.

              The leftist intellectuals who took over the universities are now in all realms of education, the media and political power (e.g. Obama and Clinton). They are leading the drones who are less intellectual but who have absorbed the same premises and sense of life. If those engaging in anarchy in the streets, as opposed to the rest of it, were not still in a minority the country would be in chaotic anarchy instead of its current state of pandering to it. That doesn't make it unserious either now or for where it is headed.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
                I hope you're wrong. I don't see it happening. My daughter is in a class with someone who received a threatening letter that had a racist element to it. It does not mention politics, but people associate with President Trump, unfairly I think because our neighborhood voted 90% for Clinton. I really think it's the same crap you're saying about "communist-inspired violence" and "anarchy in the streets". I think it's only happening in the narrative of media outlets struggling to get viewers when no real crisis is happening. Even has a boogie-man "communist" violence sounds out of date.

                I could be wrong. Every other day when I'm home I hear some anecdote about President Trump's supporters bringing back racism and homophobia. I don't see these redneck idiots or leftist hippies managing their way out of a paper bag. And when I think about the underlying disputes, they seem less intense than in the past. Integration was a big deal. Now what issues are these "drones" and their intellectual vanguard fired up about? I say nothing. There are always people who can get stuff done and want to blame it somebody else. So I don't buy it. If you're right, then people are forming violent factions over what appears to me to be nothing.
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                • Posted by ewv 7 years, 1 month ago
                  The left has for decades smeared everyone it opposes as "racist", and now "homophobic". You don't see such people because they largely only exist in the fantasies of the left promoting "narratives" as a substitute for rational, conceptual understanding. Obsession with race today isn't about "integration", it's deliberate class warfare inciting racial antagonism, and it's coming from the left.

                  It is well known that leftists anarchists have engaged in street violence for decades. It includes the university violence of the late 1960s to today, the World Trade Organization 'protest' anarchy in Seattle, and the upsurge in mob street violence throughout the Obama administration and continuing today rejecting the outcome of the election against them. It comes in waves depending on the plans of the agitators and their funding as they try to foment and exploit discontent over whatever is handy and they can get away with at the time. Look at the Black Lies Matter organized violence and the most recent outbursts from the anti-free speech movement shutting down speakers on university campuses. It's not about "nothing", it's about their ideological agenda of egalitarian nihilism and their totalitarian mentality.

                  Pre-New Left activists in the "Red Decades" were in fact openly communist and communist-sympathizers, not "boogie-men". So was much of the leadership in the union violence and mass strikes before that.

                  The early New Left was openly sympathetic or worse towards communism, which could be heard daily on prestigious university campuses, including from some of the faculty. Some of them were the same "protestors" inciting and leading well-planned "spontaneous" violence in the streets and "non-violently" removing by force university officials from their offices and shutting down classes.

                  When support for the Soviets was too embarrassing they New Left pushed Mao and China as their examples. Especially since the later fall of the Soviet Union explicit support for communism became too embarrassing for most of them to state in public. But we are seeing a resurgence in open support for socialism by name as they come back out of the closet, now getting people to more widely "reconsider" it as ignorance of history is exploited.

                  The entrenchment of leftist ideology in influential positions in education, the media, other professions, and in politics and 'non-profits' is more obvious all the time, whether or not they are part of or openly sympathetic towards violent "protests". They dwarf the numbers of outright "hippies" who do nothing. Obama, Clinton and the rest of the Obama administration are examples. They came from the New Left of the late 1960s and 1970s and its subsequent influence.

                  The big difference between now and the beginning of the New Left is that radical leftism now intellectually dominates education throughout the curriculum, teaching, and discussion. It is so dominant now that they don't see it among themselves as anything radical, just the way 'educated people are supposed to be' in contrast to all their 'ignorant and obstinate opponents' promoting 'boogie-men'. Your daughter and everyone else that age are in big trouble with the nature of the 'education' they face. They aren't the first.
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
                    "race today isn't about "integration"
                    That's my point. The issue of racial integration was huge 60 years ago. I understand what people were fighting about.

                    I do not understand the stuff you write about "New Left", Maoist, and communists committing violent crimes. President Obama and President Clinton do not give off the public persona of radical ideologues. President Obama, at least in his public persona, reminds me of people I know and like.

                    If you are right, though, violent factions are forming along the lines of talking heads yelling at one another on Crossfire, except unlike talking heads these people are not getting paid and are genuinely angry enough about public policy to commit violent acts. How do we get them to chill? That sounds glib of me, but if by some chance you were right about a factional violent conflict brewing, I have no doubt one of the results of such a conflict would be more gov't.
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                    • Posted by ewv 7 years, 1 month ago
                      The rest of us here understand very well what the race mongers are fighting about. It isn't new. The collectivists had the same racist mentality during the integration battles over half a century ago, notoriously promoting racism in the name of opposing it, including government policies like their forced busing and "affirmative action" racial discrimination.

                      You don't seem to know anything about the rise of the New Left, what it has done, and the ideological motives for it. The New Left was was a break with the old left in that it began deliberately and openly using physical force in politically demanding submission. This was demonstrated in spades with the violent "demonstrations" at universities beginning with Berkeley in the mid 1960s and escalating across the country for the next ten years. It was widely called the "New Left" because it was so obviously a major change. The same kind of violence is now on the rise again on university campuses. The leftist thuggery shutting down 'undesirable' speakers has been on the rise for years and was seen yet again just a few days ago in Vermont in an astonishing ideological outburst.

                      Neither Obama nor Clinton are anything to respect or like. I judge those two and the rest of them based on what they think and do, not their sophisticated personalities. I was never fooled by their smooth, manipulative manner in the name of intelligent sophisticated behavior. It's high brow thuggery.

                      Obama's 'golden tongue' that he first learned in a private high school in Hawaii was a big part of his rise to stardom in community agitation and politics. For all his smooth demeanor honed at Columbia and Harvard, he has no substance worthy of admiration or respect. Likewise for Clinton who was known as "Slick Willie" in Arkansas. Both of them were radical left ideologues in college and law school, and (along with Hilary) have been pursuing radical left politics transforming the political system of the country ever since.

                      This isn't about talking heads yelling at each other on tv. The irrationalism, collectivism and statism of the left is inherently coercive by its nature. It isn't something that just happens to be someone's "anger" over "public policy". That their policies and means to impose them are violent is not an accident. It isn't going to "chill" under the dominant bad ideas spreading throughout the universities and the culture in general, for the same reason that their predecessors pandered to the "student activists" and Obama pandered to the mob race riots within the last few years instead of treating them like the criminals that they were and are.

                      There is no common base from which to appeal to ideological thugs, as was just shown again in the videos of the forced shut-down and subsequent personal attacks on public speakers, and the embarrassingly futile appeals to stop it by college officials, last week in Vermont.

                      Proper protection against crime perpetrated in the name of politics is not "more government", it is what government is supposed to do to prevent escalation of government and more use of force. But protection against such outright crime can only come from whatever is left of acceptance of civilized principles, it will not stop the intellectual causes.

                      Read Ayn Rand's analysis of the beginning of the New Left and its intellectual cause in essays like "The Cashing In: The Student 'Rebellion'", "The Chickens' Homecoming", "The Left: Old and New", "From a Symposium", and "'Political' Crimes" in her anthology Return of the Primitive.
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                      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
                        Thanks for the detailed reply. I hope it's wrong. I see none of the ideological thuggery you see, but I do see our system as not having effective protections against increase gov't cost/intrusiveness and the Executive Branch getting more power. I say "effective" because we have a Constitution that limits power, but we don't follow it. It's that old saying about democratic gov'ts lasing until people vote themselves money from the public treasury.
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                        • Posted by ewv 7 years, 1 month ago
                          The Constitution does not limit the government from preventing or punishing crimes committed for politics. Every time a group of political protestors physically shuts down a speaker they don't like or "occupies" a building they don't own they are violating rights and committing crimes. Stopping that does not increase "executive power", is not "intrusive", and has nothing to do with people voting themselves money. We are not anarchists.
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                          • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
                            I think you got confused because I jumped between two problems: ideological thuggery and general expansion of gov't power. I meant to say I don't see violent street mobs but rather mob-like rule by the Constitutional limits not being respected. They seem related in my mind because I see the Constitution as a way to have democratic gov't without the mob-rule of full democracy.
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                            • Posted by ewv 7 years, 1 month ago
                              Both come from the same intellectual source of irrationalism, altruism and collectivism. Both are prevalent in universities and both must be addressed at the root cause as bad philosophy. I am not confused about it. The problems at the universities should not be ignored by switching discussion to the Constitution. Those in academia who are part of the dominant intellectual trends don't care one whit about Constitutional limits on government power for the same reasons they trample the rights of individuals through their ideologically inspired coercive mob action in the name of "protest" against others' ideas. That kind of force is escalating in all realms.
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