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Posters who appear for short stints...

Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 1 month ago to Politics
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I have been a regular of just a few internet forums over the past several years and I have noticed something interesting. See what you think. Ever notice that when a thread comes up that addresses a topic the progressives hold dear that people you've never seen on the forum pop up and start arguing in favor of the progressive slant? Then, when the thread dies they disappear - "poof'. I've seen this pattern over and over for quite some time. I have also seen it, with less tact, in social media. I find it very interesting. I've always heard that there are paid posters, but thought that concept was far-fetched...until recently. The favorite topics are - transgenderism, forced medical treatment, immigration, government schools, and even pedo. On these I regularly see input from people I've never noticed before. In the forum of facebook they can get downright nasty. I think it's something to mull over...


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  • Posted by $ jlc 7 years, 1 month ago
    I am sometimes dismayed to find that my tendency towards paranoia, which I keep sternly controlled, is not only correct but inadequate.

    Jan
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
      LOL. I know...sometimes I think, "Hey...am I really seeing this?..." But, after seeing it for a few years of paying attention I am thinking, "Yep. I'm really seeing it." Check out the names that pop up. There are always new, short-lived members. (insert Twilight Zone music here...)
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      • Posted by $ jlc 7 years, 1 month ago
        I have not been posting for the last...almost a year, I guess, so I am not as aware of this as you are (and I don't do social media). I think that your observations are likely, though. I could counter that I occasionally post on io9 (flamingly liberal site) on matters of my interest, which might give them the 'ghost' impression of me.

        Jan
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 1 month ago
    It exhibits a lack of morals and ethics. With anonymity one can revert to savagery without consequences. Many things written would evoke the wrong end of a fist if said in person. Paying someone to be a propaganda distributer might be termed as operating in their self interest but not certainly ethically.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 1 month ago
      There is nothing the least bit immoral about using anonymity to avoid getting punched out for a political opinion. If that were successfully forbidden, the Internet as we know it, including this site, could not exist.

      Of course the site admins can, and have, booted out people they believe to have an agenda opposed to their own.
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
        What's immoral is using it to say something you wouldn't say to a person's face because it's an insult. At least that's my own opinion. That is often, but not always, what these operatives do. And, in my mind, that's often a dead give-away. Sure, there are the random troglodyte trolls who just are rude people. But, this is different. The troglodyte trolls are often known residents of the forum (and often ruin it). I'm talking about people who, for some mysterious reason, just show up while a progressive topic pops up. Very curious...
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
      There are so many hidden agendas when people speak and act that its hard to take people seriously without extreme vetting and analysis of what they have to gain. With regard to media today, I pretty much ignore all of them for three reasons: 1) Most of what they talk about doesnt affect my life and would be a waste of time to listen to anyway, and 2) They tell me things to get me to believe what they say for some hidden agenda of their own, and 3) the news they talk about is just designed to get me to sit through their constant stream of commercial advertisers.

      I would rather just pay a subscription and get rid of the advertising part of news. That would help with reason #3. Still leaves #2 and #1.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 1 month ago
    Actually, they were never really there to begin with. They're like malevolent shadows. When the light of truth shines on them, they disappear.
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    • Posted by $ pixelate 7 years, 1 month ago
      "When the light of truth shines on them, they disappear." I have found this to be the case when I engage regressives in online debates. It's as if these shadows have a shard of intelligence and self-awareness and realize ... or perceive ... that The Light is shining on them ... the Truth does hurt ... them. And then they vanish.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 1 month ago
        There are a few -- very few rabid progressives (my cousins) that persist. They are smart, very indoctrinated and you can prove them wrong but they persist and you go around and around with them. The best thing to do in that case is to make your point, make sure it's understood and quit while you're ahead. If you don't you'll be wasting your time.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 1 month ago
    Yes, I have seen that, they didn't bother me too much on facebook, the subjects were beyond their understanding...had a nice group of followers though. Been trying to get them into AS.

    Twitter? wow, is that brutal! I recently started to respond to those twit's you read about in some news articles. Had Ariana Huffington thrash me while I was using my famous "Anti-Lectual quotes...but once I explained it to her...I got a like and a retwit out of her.
    If it's the paid for by sorass, walking dead you wish to engage?...go on twitter.
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 7 years, 1 month ago
    Do I have to say it again? It's the well-greased road for meme warfare. Before computers (BC) people sat around the village green and argued. Traitors to their dominant belief system were excommunicated or executed. Nowadays, trolls and moles.

    Those who put their money where their mouthpieces operate are not unethical; they believe sincerely in the causes they espouse and have a mountain of rationalizations to buttress their tenets. They don't realize they are not being rational; they are, in fact, the sort of pragmatists Rand condemned.

    And they plead altruism as their overriding motivation. They view themselves as virtuous warriors against the selfish individualists. They conflate crony cads with honorable entrepreneurs. And then there are the malcontents who enjoy being nasty behind their cloak of anonymity. Like jackals, they follow the scent.

    How to deal with them? Ignore them. Don’t give them the satisfaction of attention and rebuttal.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 1 month ago
    Soros funds hundreds - if not thousands - of people in this manner as a form of influencing public policy. While it isn't strictly illegal, it crosses the boundaries of my ethics.

    I also wouldn't put it past some to have created AI's for this purpose either, though it would be pretty hard to program in an AI with the grammar and vitriol I've seen in many posts...
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
      I get the feeling that a lot of the "news" stories are automated. I dont know for sure, but I find that they are written in a style a bit foreign to me. I have trouble following what they are saying.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 1 month ago
        If you take a journalism class, they emphasize a certain style which most news agencies have adopted. If you don't write in that style, you don't get published and if you don't get published, you're looking for a new job. While it is a little different than you would find in a book, the focus is on highlighting information in the first few sentences.

        Now if you want to see AI-based writing, check out nearly any sports story. Good grief. Talk about bland...
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  • Posted by GaryL 7 years, 1 month ago
    Sounds like you might be referring to those who come in with a flame thrower and light a fire and then sit back to watch it burn. Most of these individuals do in fact have strong opinions on a number of topics but are unable and unwilling to stand their ground and argue their wayward cause.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 7 years, 1 month ago
    You have to assault the Progressives with an over the top written paragraph of opposing propaganda that hurts them to their core. It's amazing how many people will positively rally to you.
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    • Posted by $ pixelate 7 years, 1 month ago
      I've been using this technique in recent online debates with modern liberals and regressives. I work to keep a sharp focus on the subject -- keep out any emotion or name-calling. Employ logic ... do so in a well crafted paragraph (or two) that falls on its target like a precision-fired missile. The regressive may flail a bit, then vanishes. I don't hold any thoughts that I am changing the regressive; rather, I hope that the debate is read and understood by the majority of folks that read the exchanges but do not comment. I may be reaching some of those people. In that context, I believe that online debating with the regressives is a worthwhile investment of my time. It also helps me to fine-tune my arguments as a means to pack a more explosive punch.
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    • Posted by starznbarz 7 years, 1 month ago
      I find myself using the simple reply of " How many illegals / "refugees" live at your house? How many do you personally pay all costs of living for, for their lifetime?" when they get self righteous about enforcing immigration law.. usually makes them go dark.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 7 years, 1 month ago
    I have not been posting much lately. But not due to lack of interest, I have just been busier than hell with a new gold project. And one that is nowhere near any sage grouse!
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