I Quit Meetup

Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 2 months ago to Business
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(I sent this to CivicAction at Meetup dot com. I also sent out-takes from this to the groups that I belong to, most of them computer user interests.)

I am cutting my access to all of my Meetup groups and to Meetup.com as of February 28, 2017, in response to a corporate decision by Meetup to support the Resist political action collectives.

“We decided that we wanted to do more to support these efforts so we created a network of 1,000 #Resist Meetup groups with a few special characteristics.” --
https://www.meetup.com/help/article/2...

While I am sympathetic to many of the social justice causes pursued by Resist, I must object to Meetup’s delivering a special value to them. My comrades on the right wing also have advanced the cause of freedom. Their methods and their successes do not grab headlines. It is a matter of culture.

As collectivists, my progressive comrades form strong groups, and groups are easy to see. They grab headlines when they grab other people’s property. But that property had to be created first. The exceptionally great wealth of America was the work of millions of individuals who mostly minded their own business, making their own lives as best they knew how by the standards they chose according to their personal values. That does not make the home pages of news media – unless it is to “doodle” in celebrating the historical birthday of a dead writer, musician, inventor, or scientist.

Meetup.com is a tool for those conservatives, libertarians, and Objectivists who advance the ethics and politics of individualism. By creating new, no-cost platforms for one political group, Meetup.com of necessity excludes those of other political beliefs – and those groups with no political agenda. It is also a platform for millions of individuals who share personal – sometimes peculiar – interests of their own, far removed from politics. And that speaks to a fundamental problem with progressive causes.

It is critical that this be understood. Dr. Martin Luther King looked forward to a future in which each person is judged by the content of their character. But character is an attribute of a person, not of a group.

Choosing not to do business with someone because they are not from your ethnic, social, gender, class, or religious group is irrational. But freedom of association is a fundamental political right. While my collectivist comrades try to eliminate discrimination by engaging the power of the state, my friends on the right go to the root problem: lack of character.

If the owners of Meetup.com want to end social injustice, they should empower their customers who meet to build character. But that would mean creating a 1000 special groups for some religions or some philosophies in preference to others. And there is no way to parse that, because, after all, even karate builds character.

Therefore, I will delete my Meetup account and switch to some other service or set of services, such as Google Groups, which, in fact, evolved from the age-old Usenet maillists. Ultimately, no one needs Meetup.com. That is something to keep in mind.

Michael E. Marotta


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  • Posted by unitedlc 7 years, 2 months ago
    I did the exact same thing the moment I received that solicitation. I wrote them a nice long note explaining why as well. Interesting thing is that when I quit and deleted my account there was no place to explain why, and they didn't even have a statement about wishing I would stay. I had to do a decent amount of research to even find a place to send my note to, and they never bothered to respond of course. I can see why their business is struggling.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 7 years, 2 months ago
    I don't blame you - this is a totally different direction and focus than what they have historically been - they have gone from a service to a political action group with a VERY narrow focus. And they seem to be reveling and celebrating in it. So much so, they've made a huge announcement (a "coming out") of sorts, saying how while they used to be neutral and non partisan, they intend to be extremely partisan and support a narrow set of values.

    Pretty sad... Of course the far left liberal base is overjoyed to see Meetup abandon it's long held core values... I guess it's far more exciting to be one of the rabble rouser sheeple than be a business... at least if you're a leftist liberal.

    It's OK, tho... I haven't used Meetup before, so I see no reason to start now.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
      Well, the business model will not apply to their new direction. They charge about $20 per month for an Meetup Group, and my experience is that the organizer pays that, though sometimes others do pitch in. With the social justice warriors, Meetup will be foregoing the revenue 1000 times. They must figure that the server space is not important enough to meter.
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      • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 2 months ago
        Our local Libertarian Party group was using Meetup for a while but discontinued it a few months ago. I doubt they will be using it again.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 2 months ago
    I quit meetup some time ago, well before this social justice preference. I had used it as a way to join book reading groups to attempt to promote my works as well as learn of some authors I never heard of before.

    I quickly found out that my appreciation for SCI-FI is different from the costumed Comicon crowd who also gather as a group annually to dress dress up, hold arms practice in character in public parks and visit the Renaissance festivals.

    Needless to say it didn't pan out. While I cancelled my account some time ago, I started receiving occasional emails recently inviting me to join, primarily deviant social cause groups.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
      I find that science fiction authors are different from readers (or viewers). I attended a couple of NANOWRIMO (national novel writers' month) meetings at a local comic book store.

      And on a personal note, just because you are too uptight to come out of the closet and go in drag does not invalidate the hobby. Myself, I once (1998, I think) went to a local Trekker con as the hu-mon burser of a Ferengi ship. A couple of weeks ago, I put on a World War II uniform and took my wife to a Sweetheart Dance at the Texas Military History Museum. (See here: http://necessaryfacts.blogspot.com/20... .) Again, just personally, I think that the problem - if there is one - that you are an individualist and not well fitted to collective engagements. (Just sayin'...)
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  • Posted by ewv 7 years, 2 months ago
    Resist is obviously extreme leftist. "Comrades on the right" do not "also" advance freedom. The left does not advance freedom. We are not "comrades" and do not have "progressive comrades". Eclectic hippies of the right meet hippies of the left.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 2 months ago
    Love that photo. I always wanted to try out a glider. Neat stuff...
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
      Thanks. As a writer, I proposed a story about our local airport to the town newspaper, but I could not get anyone at the airfield to talk to me. So, I started taking flying lessons. That continued for about four years in Michigan, Ohio, Florida, and Texas. I sold articles to regional aviation magazines and newspapers. I had maybe 20 instructors, and flew a Stearman, an ultralight, the sailplane (not "glider" as I learned) in the photo, a Tomahawk, and a whole lot of Cessnas. I did not complete the certificate before I lost an argument with a medical examiner, alas.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 2 months ago
    I had not heard of #RESIST. When I followed the link it says it's for groups in support of "democracy, human rights, social justice, equality, sustainability, and other issues." That's a big tent. Do you think in practice they'll approve the groups on a partisan basis?
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
      It would be interesting to challenge them, to have Cato, or the Ayn Rand Institute ask to be included. The fact is that the groups on the Resist homepage are easily "progressive" or "liberal" or otherwise "left wing."

      The one exception, perhaps, is Amnesty International. It is true that no one goes to prison for saying that we should obey the government because our traditions are a sacred trust. But being "international" they choose not to pursue justice for Americans. In particular, I point to Bernard von Nothaus who was robbed of $60 million in silver and gold - much of it in other people's money voluntarily entrusted to him. You did not see any social justice warriors in the streets over that.

      As I said, the difference is cultural. Generally, people on the political right wing are individualists: they mind their own business; live their own lives by their own standards. It is the "progressives" who appear en masse.
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      • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 2 months ago
        Re: "It would be interesting to challenge them, to have Cato, or the Ayn Rand Institute ask to be included." Or how about groups that resist compulsory "education" or forced vaccination?
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 2 months ago
        "the Resist homepage"
        I couldn't find their website in search.

        If their standard is that big tent I quoted above from the meetup website and they rejected Cato or ARI, then I agree Meetup is committing pure hypocrisy.

        "people on the political right wing are individualists: they mind their own business; live their own lives by their own standards."
        It depends on what you mean by right and left. I've heard of right meaning asking people to do things a certain way because that's how they historically were done. I've heard of left meaning trying new things and leaving people alone to fly their freak flag according to their own standards.
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