Postmodernism and the Anti-Hero

Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 3 months ago to Culture
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On The Federalist blog is a recent essay identifying Pres. Donald Trump as an anti-postmodernist. (“Donald Trump is the First President to Turn Postmodernism Against Itself” by David Ernst, January 23, 2017.) As interesting as it was, I have a different understanding of the anti-hero. ... It is not that the anti-hero has bad values, but that he has none.

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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Artistic styles are subsets of cultural patterns. Neo-Classicism, Romanticism, and Postmodernism especially also expressed political ideas. Impressionism, Expressionism, and Cubism were less tightly bound to ideas about society, man, and nature. But social realism - the art of the USSR - certainly was, and it included sculpture, music, and painting.

    The Romantic Revolution in art expressed the ideas of nationalism in politics. Chopin's polonaises, his "Revolutionary Etude," Tchaikovsky's 1812, and the Prince Igor of Borodin that opened this discussion, all embraced nationalism. That included reaching into folk music - Liszt, Brahms, Grieg, all of them... - and with that, embracing intuition over reason, a theory of epistemology.

    At the same time, they sought freedom for the individual (they said), hoping to bring liberal ideas from the UK and US to the continent.

    If you have seen Cabaret then you understand how Expressionism was the art of the Weimar Republic - everything twisted, malevolent, dark. The tragic comedy Three Penny Opera reflects the times. Even though Brecht was a communist, the work could not have passed the test of social realism.

    I can go on all day...
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sounds like you don't care for the logical conclusion of your own statement: "The Earth is confining enough, why mess with more extreme boundaries."
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I suspect that would come much further down the road...first lost would be national sovereignty by erasing the borderline. Laws would be bent to accommodate ilelgals (already happened here and calif.) and Then you'd hear people bitching about your yard being private.."He was only drinking from the hose attached to your house (happened in Tuscon Arizona) when you threatened him" so you'd be a prisoner in your home. God forbid you forget to lock your door or leave your garage open. If you detain them or shoot them you could end up in jail and they could take your land/ranch.

    Time and again the fault resides with Americans.

    When does mexico take responsibility for its own economy, its own people and their actions violating a neighboring sovereign nation?

    Mexican president comes to phoenix to speak to his people
    http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/2003...

    Illegal aliens mark in Phoenix demanding rights
    http://www.alipac.us/f12/illegal-immi...

    Drop House bust in Phoenix (one of many)
    http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/72...

    National Guard ordered to abandon post on US soil to advancing mexicans
    http://www.vdare.com/posts/national-g...

    I sick of this shit and all the philosophy surround the carnage caused by these poor and sorry people just looking for a change. Come here properly or or stay out.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree with removing any and all social welfare and the ability to find work. Personal experience, I still want a wall to complement my arms and prevent me from having to use them.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not sure, but I don't think the Romanticism of the late 18th and early 19th century had anything to do with freedom. We may be talking two different things here.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Romantic Revolution largely failed to advance freedom. Individual rights did not gain as a result of the Romantic Revolution. It was successful as an aesthetic theory as I pointed in my topic post about Romantic Realism.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So you get a little idea running around your mind and just take it to absurdity. It is not an either or thing with that 'or' being an 'exclusive or' which is one problem I have with Objectivists who throw out the middle between the 'either' and the 'or'. So your logical conclusion ignores a large possible middle ground. Not everything in objective reality is black or white, good or evil, to be taken to your idea of a logical conclusion, etc.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes you did ask permission to re enter the USA the same that the Mexicans were required to do. You also might have had to have some document to prove who you were to leave the country also, i.e., permission that you had to get from the government. A wall just make getting permission harder.
    You seem to also believe that the various states are not distinct with different laws when you enter one. Why do you believe that visitors need to be housed, clothed, and fed when entering the country just as there is would be no requirement for the state of Wisconsin, which has different laws than does Iowa, to house, feed, or cloth those who come into the state from Iowa who may take away jobs from those in Wisconsin or not be able to fix a balance of payments problem spending or buying within Wisconsin. If they cannot make it here and no help is given they will leave soon enough. Of course, there may be a criminal alien wetback crossing the Mississippi and causing trouble, but then the justice system or self defense will take care of that. Just because you cross a border, there need not be a free lunch on the other side.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Re: “Trump can just as easily say ‘fake news’ right back.” I think this is merely an observation that the liberal-friendly media is vulnerable to the same charges they throw so casually against Trump. For some inexplicable reason, the left seems unusually eager to use the boomerang as a weapon, as demonstrated in their recent violent protests against violence.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The way I see it, the choices were to vote for Trump and slow down socialism (but not stop or reverse it), or to vote for clintonshit and hope that a civil war erupts with some chance of the Phoenix re-building itself, after eliminating the filth. But no guarantee. Tough choices...
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Taken to its logical conclusion, the elimination of boundaries would mean the elimination of all fences and door locks.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We had no wall and asked only permission to come in, they flooded our State anyway.

    In your world view, is asking for quantifiable ID to receive permission too much? We not talking movement between two or several states we're talking movement between two distinct countries with different laws and different customs.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not really guilt. I am proudly one of the deplorable ones. I feel separated substantially from at least half the population. I also feel that I, as well as the other half of the population, am under definite attack.

    I voted for Trump because I just couldnt see letting Hildebeast take the country down another notch. I looked at Trump as someone who could at least slow down the advance to socialism. I think he will try, but I am not so sure he can withstand the constant and continual hammering from the left. He will have to just DO what he promised and not listen to the left's demoralizing comments.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am sensing some sort of guilt in your position. No need for it at all. The socialist camp consists of two types - the truly evil human excrement that is seeking to turn all others into slaves, and the useless idiots that have been permanently programed to be slaves. Neither deserves any feelings beyond contempt. Any association with that filth will only leave a most unpleasant stench.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If permission is required, then a jail wall is a jail wall with force implied on both sides of it. Not sure why anyone wants to be further confined and need ask the government for another permission for movement. The Earth is confining enough, why mess with more extreme boundaries.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have even drawn the line in the sand. If someone supported Hillary, I really dont want anything to do with them, I dont even want to hear what they say, and certainly they dont come to my house anymore. I am sure this view is politically incorrect and I would be labeled some sort of "ist" person by half the people, but this is the way it is.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "definitely hardened in my opposition to liberals."

    Nothing can harden my opposition or view of liberal more than it has been.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is more to being an opportunist than wealth. having achieved his financial success he didn't need the Apprentice or spot appearance on SNL or wrestling. His opportunities now are accolades - to show how great he is and that he can (save a "company" on life support). This facet of his mentality can bode very well for the nation if its genuinely tied to his appreciation to this country for his opportunities to make him driven (and it seem so).
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. I think we as a people are wasting a GREAT opportunity to clean things up and make our government the servant of OUR people and not other country's people. Fighting him at every turn is just wasting time and effort, which seems to be what the liberals want. Makes me definitely hardened in my opposition to liberals.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 8 years, 3 months ago
    I agree with most of the comments about Pres. Trump. But when you look at the movie industry They seem to produce movies that have anti hero characters. As propaganda it works very well. Like the trailer for John Wick. I don't understand the industries fascination with this genre. When independent films about real hero's the critics and the major film industry scorns them.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Excuse me why I perform some vocal postmodernism art with allosaur talk~
    Gwop! Gwop! Gwop! Eep! Eep! A-runk! A-runka! RUUUNNNNK!
    Wow! Wasn't that so exquisitely sublime for culturally uplifting?
    Bet you really dug that cool crescendo at the end.
    Do not applaud my awesome art by clapping your hands.
    Snap your fingers like satisfactorily entertained beatniks used to do in coffee houses.
    Yeah, that cool, baby. That be cool.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A person known as an intellectual is in danger of puffing up for being so full of himself that he becomes out of touch with reality.
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