Postmodernism and the Anti-Hero

Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 2 months ago to Culture
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On The Federalist blog is a recent essay identifying Pres. Donald Trump as an anti-postmodernist. (“Donald Trump is the First President to Turn Postmodernism Against Itself” by David Ernst, January 23, 2017.) As interesting as it was, I have a different understanding of the anti-hero. ... It is not that the anti-hero has bad values, but that he has none.

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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 2 months ago
    I don't see Trump as having no values. I do see him, as I always have, as an opportunist who places himself, those he loves and his interests above all else. I can respect that.

    I've never considered him anything but a NY moderate (a moderate-left) politically. I have to admit thus far I'm quite surprised. I still can't help waiting for the other shoe to drop. Even so, watching the leftist bug-out is both amusing and comforting to see...we're in a world of hurt as evidenced from the number of useful idiot suckling off Soros' teat and the multitude of coattail drones too stupid to reason how far from the pier (the Constitution) they've swam.
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    • Posted by strugatsky 7 years, 2 months ago
      An "opportunist"? Not so sure. Reaching the White House is the top of the opportunity list. Once reached, why would Trump make his own life difficult by fighting every battle in front of him? Could it be that while climbing to the top, as opportunity allowed, he has become sufficiently sick and disgusted of the system to devote the rest of his life and energy to correcting the wrongs? Of course, in the ways that he knows and understands. He is not a philosopher and is unlikely an intellectual; and his life-experiences have been opportunistic, for sure. But at this point, I don't think that he is seeking any "opportunities," at least in a financial sense. His actions suggest more of dedication and a drive to do what he believes is right, which is the opposite of the term "opportunist."
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      • Posted by term2 7 years, 2 months ago
        I agree. I think we as a people are wasting a GREAT opportunity to clean things up and make our government the servant of OUR people and not other country's people. Fighting him at every turn is just wasting time and effort, which seems to be what the liberals want. Makes me definitely hardened in my opposition to liberals.
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        • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 2 months ago
          "definitely hardened in my opposition to liberals."

          Nothing can harden my opposition or view of liberal more than it has been.
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          • Posted by term2 7 years, 2 months ago
            I have even drawn the line in the sand. If someone supported Hillary, I really dont want anything to do with them, I dont even want to hear what they say, and certainly they dont come to my house anymore. I am sure this view is politically incorrect and I would be labeled some sort of "ist" person by half the people, but this is the way it is.
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            • Posted by strugatsky 7 years, 2 months ago
              I am sensing some sort of guilt in your position. No need for it at all. The socialist camp consists of two types - the truly evil human excrement that is seeking to turn all others into slaves, and the useless idiots that have been permanently programed to be slaves. Neither deserves any feelings beyond contempt. Any association with that filth will only leave a most unpleasant stench.
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              • Posted by term2 7 years, 2 months ago
                Not really guilt. I am proudly one of the deplorable ones. I feel separated substantially from at least half the population. I also feel that I, as well as the other half of the population, am under definite attack.

                I voted for Trump because I just couldnt see letting Hildebeast take the country down another notch. I looked at Trump as someone who could at least slow down the advance to socialism. I think he will try, but I am not so sure he can withstand the constant and continual hammering from the left. He will have to just DO what he promised and not listen to the left's demoralizing comments.
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                • Posted by strugatsky 7 years, 2 months ago
                  The way I see it, the choices were to vote for Trump and slow down socialism (but not stop or reverse it), or to vote for clintonshit and hope that a civil war erupts with some chance of the Phoenix re-building itself, after eliminating the filth. But no guarantee. Tough choices...
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
        What part of President Trump's life is "difficult"?

        As for his financial opportunities, I personally do not care too much - and am somewhat amused - that the US government is renting space in Trump Towers. However, my lack of concern made me stop and ask myself what I would think if it were Pres. Hillary Clinton enriching the Clinton Foundation through her office. (New topic to follow...)
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        • Posted by strugatsky 7 years, 2 months ago
          Almost President Clinton, with his husband, after leaving the White House, settled in a very large Long Island estate. Since the Secret Service had to be nearby at all times, the Clintons rented out a small servants' cottage to the government for the same amount as the entire estate. So, no more reason to wonder what Madam Almost President would have done.
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      • Posted by oldtk 7 years, 2 months ago
        "Once reached, why would Trump make his own life difficult by fighting every battle in front of him?"

        Ego, fame, etc. He wants to be seen and remembered as the great savior. Everything with him is as he says, the greatest, most amazing, most incredible, most everything. It fits with his MO.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
          Ego and fame are not bound together. It is true that an egoist may become famous as a consequence of primary actions. Ayn Rand is a perfect example. However, no true egoists seeks fame as a primary goal. Trump does.

          I understand the literary device, based on reality, of the Atlas Shrugged good guys naming their companies after themselves, while the bad guys are "Associated" and "Amalgamated." Ford, Buick, Chevrolet, and AC spark plugs for August Champion... So, yes, Trump Towers, and Trump Casino... why not?

          How many of the billion Facebook users would jump to meet their friends on "Zuckerberg"? Branding is everything and "trump" is both a verb and a noun, so that works for him. But I would not extend that inward to say that Pres. Donald Trump is an egoist.

          He seems to be the opposite of an egoist: a very public man.
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        • Posted by strugatsky 7 years, 2 months ago
          I presume that you are seeing these qualities as negative. First, has any other president, or, for that matter, anyone else in high position, who has felt or acted differently? Second, what is specifically wrong with those qualities?
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          • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
            An egoist does not care about the opinions of other people. Perhaps more precisely as a friend once said: "I care what other people think about me, it's just that my self-esteem does not depend on it."

            Pres. Donald Trump displays the psycho-epistemology of Peter Keating. He is all about what later sociologists called "impression management." Donald Trump may not "care" if other people "like" him, but he does seem to depend on their noticing him. That is why he is on Twitter and reality television, and not just buying and selling buildings, while quietly minding his own business.
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          • Posted by oldtk 7 years, 2 months ago
            Other presidents? I'm sure you could come up with one or two who pursued good for the country out of the need to be praised.

            What is wrong with those qualities? They lack moral character. Not that I'm a Jesus follower, but, did Jesus die for us in order to be seen as a savior, or did he die to save us?
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            • Posted by strugatsky 7 years, 2 months ago
              As for Jesus, I think that he simply died. What for was decided later by others. But if you're looking for a noble altruistic cause, I don't think that you will find it here, or anywhere else, except for the fairy tales. You may have noticed that most people here do not attribute altruism to noble qualities. However, there are many elsewhere who do proclaim it to be noble and they insist that others practice it (others than they). They are the socialists, progressives and liberals, and they have nearly succeeded in destroying this country, while they have totally succeeded in destroying many other countries.
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              • Posted by Seer 7 years, 2 months ago
                I doubt that even when "they" engage in altruism, "they" are not aware that "they" are hurting those "they" purport to help.
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                • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
                  Have you read The Virtue of Selfishness? Altruism does not mean being nice to other people. The word was invented about 1830 by August Comte and meant exactly what Ayn Rand reminded us that it means today: denial of self.

                  When you deny your Self, no other virtues are possible.
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                  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 2 months ago
                    When I read it, Mike, it was very long ago.

                    Shakespeare said it best: "To thine own self be true; and it must follow as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man.

                    But I meant to imply that the altruist is, in effect, hurting others, (by giving them "things") instead of helping them. So altruism isn't good for the "givee" any more than it is good for the "giver".

                    Rand also said, "I will sacrifice my life for no man; nor will I allow another to sacrifice his life for me." In other words, no one is responsible for the life of another; HE is the only one responsible for his life.

                    "A Man Said To The Universe" Stephen Crane:

                    A man said to the Universe: "Sir, I exist".
                    "That", replied the Universe, "does not create in me an obligation for your existence."

                    In other words, to fully self-actuate, a man must take responsibility for himself. No other person can do it for him.
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              • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 2 months ago
                True enough, except the part about Jesus. I think
                he died for something he sincerely (making allowance for a certain amount of self-deception)
                believed in. I'm not saying I believe in it, but I
                think it was for his cause. It's very sad.
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              • Posted by oldtk 7 years, 2 months ago
                Are you suggesting that only the socialists, progressives and liberals have nobility??
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                • Posted by strugatsky 7 years, 2 months ago
                  Far from it. I am suggesting (stating) that the socialists, et. al., pretend to be noble because they push altruism (on to others).
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                  • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
                    Perhaps that is literally true in a sense you did not intend. Nobles are altruists because their ideal is service to others. Merchants exemplified service to self.

                    Even Objectivists commonly accept the word nobility to mean virtue in the vernacular sense. It is all through Ayn Rand's fiction. However, a close analysis of the word reveals its flaws, just as altruism, the common good, the greatest good for the greatest number, sacrifice, compromise, and conflict of interest, are all misused because they are misunderstood.
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                    • Posted by oldtk 7 years, 2 months ago
                      I enjoy it when someone can extrapolate upon my thoughts to places I hadn't considered. No joke, I see your point about my unintended intent.??
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                      • Posted by Seer 7 years, 2 months ago
                        Mike is reiterating one very sound criticism of that malignant 19th century European philosophical thought. Whoever read, or even studied it, defined it in ways they wanted to, in ways perhaps beneficial to themselves.

                        So you can understand why Wittengenstein, later in the 20th century would say "What do you mean by that". He thought a lot of philosophy was meaningless because the language of it became meaningless.
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 2 months ago
        There is more to being an opportunist than wealth. having achieved his financial success he didn't need the Apprentice or spot appearance on SNL or wrestling. His opportunities now are accolades - to show how great he is and that he can (save a "company" on life support). This facet of his mentality can bode very well for the nation if its genuinely tied to his appreciation to this country for his opportunities to make him driven (and it seem so).
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
      If John Galt were an "opportunist" he would have taken Mr. Thompson's offer to become economic dictator. President Trump is, indeed, an opportunist. Placing "those he loves and his interests above all else" is opportunism. It is not self-interest.

      The other shoe already fell. We just have not heard the thud yet. His Wall will wall us in. His protectionism will reward inefficiency and cost us more. His infrastructure programs will mire us in 20th century roads on the ground -- built by the same old highway contractors -- that prevent transport to the Moon, Mars, and asteroids.

      (PS: swim, swam, swum.)
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 2 months ago
        Had I any desire to venture into mexico, been there once, albeit limited, I wasn't impressed by what I saw. I'm certain there are nicer areas BUT the what I've seen and experienced of its people here make me sour to ever going into mexico for anything but a targeted short period of time. That said, I prefer the wall in hopes that it will prevent me from having to use lethal force against the sludge which illegally comes across the border with those hoping to make a better life, also illegally coming into the US.

        Taking care of what's yours is self interest. You choose to marry, you choose to have kids (most times), you choose to own land, you choose to associate, etc. Why? Because you enjoy it and you favor the idea of MINE (possession, ownership). Taking care of that which you "love" is self-interest, about as as selfish as it gets.
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        • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 2 months ago
          If permission is required, then a jail wall is a jail wall with force implied on both sides of it. Not sure why anyone wants to be further confined and need ask the government for another permission for movement. The Earth is confining enough, why mess with more extreme boundaries.
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          • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 2 months ago
            We had no wall and asked only permission to come in, they flooded our State anyway.

            In your world view, is asking for quantifiable ID to receive permission too much? We not talking movement between two or several states we're talking movement between two distinct countries with different laws and different customs.
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            • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 2 months ago
              Yes you did ask permission to re enter the USA the same that the Mexicans were required to do. You also might have had to have some document to prove who you were to leave the country also, i.e., permission that you had to get from the government. A wall just make getting permission harder.
              You seem to also believe that the various states are not distinct with different laws when you enter one. Why do you believe that visitors need to be housed, clothed, and fed when entering the country just as there is would be no requirement for the state of Wisconsin, which has different laws than does Iowa, to house, feed, or cloth those who come into the state from Iowa who may take away jobs from those in Wisconsin or not be able to fix a balance of payments problem spending or buying within Wisconsin. If they cannot make it here and no help is given they will leave soon enough. Of course, there may be a criminal alien wetback crossing the Mississippi and causing trouble, but then the justice system or self defense will take care of that. Just because you cross a border, there need not be a free lunch on the other side.
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              • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 2 months ago
                I agree with removing any and all social welfare and the ability to find work. Personal experience, I still want a wall to complement my arms and prevent me from having to use them.
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          • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 2 months ago
            Taken to its logical conclusion, the elimination of boundaries would mean the elimination of all fences and door locks.
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            • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 2 months ago
              I suspect that would come much further down the road...first lost would be national sovereignty by erasing the borderline. Laws would be bent to accommodate ilelgals (already happened here and calif.) and Then you'd hear people bitching about your yard being private.."He was only drinking from the hose attached to your house (happened in Tuscon Arizona) when you threatened him" so you'd be a prisoner in your home. God forbid you forget to lock your door or leave your garage open. If you detain them or shoot them you could end up in jail and they could take your land/ranch.

              Time and again the fault resides with Americans.

              When does mexico take responsibility for its own economy, its own people and their actions violating a neighboring sovereign nation?

              Mexican president comes to phoenix to speak to his people
              http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/2003...

              Illegal aliens mark in Phoenix demanding rights
              http://www.alipac.us/f12/illegal-immi...

              Drop House bust in Phoenix (one of many)
              http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/72...

              National Guard ordered to abandon post on US soil to advancing mexicans
              http://www.vdare.com/posts/national-g...

              I sick of this shit and all the philosophy surround the carnage caused by these poor and sorry people just looking for a change. Come here properly or or stay out.
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            • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
              Locks just stop honest people. Definitions of "property" seem to me to be socially contextual. I grant that fences are a universal indicator. But there are societies in which the huts have no doors, and the hut is still not to be transgressed. On the other hand, our retail establishments have very stout doors that open automatically for anyone and everyone. I once read that Eskimos (Aleuts), have a sense of property concerning driftwood. Wood is valuable, there being so little of it. But, if you find a piece of it, arbitrarily "far" up the shore away from the water, it was "obviously" dragged there by someone else and is not your property. That idea -- "not mine" -- is deep within our own culture: not everything left unattended is free for the taking.

              Perhaps this is best taken to a new discussion.
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              • Posted by Seer 7 years, 2 months ago
                Borders, whether substantive or imaginary, are man's means of determining "where you end and I begin" for either the individual or society. The distinction between the "I" and the "Thou". The Left wants to make that distinction no longer relevant, so they continually harp on "building the wall" and the economics thereof, and that it is not an "American value" to keep immigrants at bay.
                I did want to say this in regards to the Eskimo's "sense of property". Driftwood apparently must be either "mine" or "yours", but not both; but wives are to be shared with strangers. Just saying.
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            • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 2 months ago
              So you get a little idea running around your mind and just take it to absurdity. It is not an either or thing with that 'or' being an 'exclusive or' which is one problem I have with Objectivists who throw out the middle between the 'either' and the 'or'. So your logical conclusion ignores a large possible middle ground. Not everything in objective reality is black or white, good or evil, to be taken to your idea of a logical conclusion, etc.
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              • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 2 months ago
                Sounds like you don't care for the logical conclusion of your own statement: "The Earth is confining enough, why mess with more extreme boundaries."
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                • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 2 months ago
                  I get no joy from imprisoning others or myself.
                  Boundaries exist without physical imprisonment. They, however, require rational minds which are capable of conceptual thought and able to create rules and minimal governments to protect persons in their selves and their properties. Quit giving citizens and non-citizens free stuff and making it extremely profitable to be criminals with extreme drug laws, then there would be no reason to want to come here other than better oneself and maybe they would try to civilize their own countries and maybe the USA could become a country of adult humans rather than continue the adolescent stage that it is in at present. Then liberty might just become desirable to most people.
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 2 months ago
    I never could figure out just exactly what "post-modernism" is. Reminiscent of "the wrong side of history." How would anyone know what the wrong side or the right side of history is?
    Certainly the wrong side of history derives from the Marxist view that history is already determined. I don't know if Marx---I try to avoid reading Marx, unless I absolutely have to-- used that term (wrong side of history) but I'm sure it refers to anyone who believes that capitalism will not be overturned in time, is on the wrong side of history.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 7 years, 2 months ago
    I agree with most of the comments about Pres. Trump. But when you look at the movie industry They seem to produce movies that have anti hero characters. As propaganda it works very well. Like the trailer for John Wick. I don't understand the industries fascination with this genre. When independent films about real hero's the critics and the major film industry scorns them.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 2 months ago
    In the end, all of them are failed ideologies. The only true hero is one who uncompromisingly stands for values. And not just any values, but values which are true values. Philosophers and English majors alike can talk about anti-heroes and anti-anti-heroes as much as they want, but in the end they are all people I want to avoid - not emulate.
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 2 months ago
    Well, I did read a bit of the article, but when I got to the term: "anti-post-modernism", it was more than I could take.

    I had to do a dictionary search.
    Modern comes from the Latin, modo---meaning "just now". So "post-modern" must mean "after the just-now". And "anti-post-modern" must mean "against after the just-now". So does that mean some think Trump is not for the future?
    Help me out here.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
      You have to begin with modernity. Though its roots are in the Renaissance, the modern world is the result of the Enlightenment. The Enlightenment brought the Newtonian method to human affairs and politics and economics. The results include the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution, Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations. Classical liberalism promoted the rights of the individual, as being inherent in the nature of the individual.

      Postmodernists reject all of that. They hate the Enlightenment.

      If you want to dive deep into postmodernism, you need to read the original works of Paul Feyerabend, Jacques Lacan, Jacques Deleuze, and others.

      The best criticism was the famous Sokal Affair. (I wrote it up for my blog, here: http://necessaryfacts.blogspot.com/20... but you can find it in many places online. ) And there is the Objectivist book by Steven Hicks.
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      • Posted by Seer 7 years, 2 months ago
        Why would I want to dive deep into postmodernism? It is an absurd description of an absurd reaction (apparently) to pure rationalism, which seems to have been Romanticism taken to an extreme.

        Just not interested. To refer to anything as "postmodern" is a degradation of the English language.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
          They are not opposed to "pure rationalism." They are opposed to all rationality.

          "Rationalism" in common language is similar to "realism" in common language. But in technical philosophy, they mean opposites. Rationalism comes from Descartes, Leibniz, and the continental philosophers of the 17th century i.e., the school of thought contrary to the "pure empiricism" of Locke, Berkeley, and Hume. Both are intellectual errors because each is necessarily incomplete.

          Small-O objectivism is "rational-empiricism" and capital-O Objectivism advances from that 19th century school of thought: reason and reality validate each other; they are integrated and inextricable.

          The Romantic Revolution failed on many fronts because of its erroneous assumptions. It succeeded in aesthetics. The proper form of it, though is called "romantic realism." See, for example the art sold at Quent Cordair Galleries http://cordair.com/ The works of Bryan Larsen have explicitly Randian subjects.
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          • Posted by Seer 7 years, 2 months ago
            I don't think Romanticism failed. It had a motive and a purpose.
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            • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
              The Romantic Revolution largely failed to advance freedom. Individual rights did not gain as a result of the Romantic Revolution. It was successful as an aesthetic theory as I pointed in my topic post about Romantic Realism.
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              • Posted by Seer 7 years, 2 months ago
                I'm not sure, but I don't think the Romanticism of the late 18th and early 19th century had anything to do with freedom. We may be talking two different things here.
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                • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
                  Artistic styles are subsets of cultural patterns. Neo-Classicism, Romanticism, and Postmodernism especially also expressed political ideas. Impressionism, Expressionism, and Cubism were less tightly bound to ideas about society, man, and nature. But social realism - the art of the USSR - certainly was, and it included sculpture, music, and painting.

                  The Romantic Revolution in art expressed the ideas of nationalism in politics. Chopin's polonaises, his "Revolutionary Etude," Tchaikovsky's 1812, and the Prince Igor of Borodin that opened this discussion, all embraced nationalism. That included reaching into folk music - Liszt, Brahms, Grieg, all of them... - and with that, embracing intuition over reason, a theory of epistemology.

                  At the same time, they sought freedom for the individual (they said), hoping to bring liberal ideas from the UK and US to the continent.

                  If you have seen Cabaret then you understand how Expressionism was the art of the Weimar Republic - everything twisted, malevolent, dark. The tragic comedy Three Penny Opera reflects the times. Even though Brecht was a communist, the work could not have passed the test of social realism.

                  I can go on all day...
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                  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 2 months ago
                    Just wanted you to know, Mike, that I am still working on this comment of yours, thinking on't, so to speak.

                    I think you are saying art is incontrovertibly entwined with the cultural and political happenings of the times. I certainly have no quarrel with that. But art is first and foremost an indicator of man's need to express himself; and of course that would also reflect the particular time in which the artist lives.

                    We are probably more in agreement, than not.
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                  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 2 months ago
                    I don't get into "art" that much.

                    In fact, when I was going for my degree in math, I was told I needed 6 credits of Humanities. (I had 200 college credits, but nothing in Humanities.)

                    I could take Art Appreciation, Music Appreciation or Acting as qualifying credits. I took Acting.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
          I suggested the original sources because you got sidetracked by following dictionary definitions. As painful as they can be, reading even erroneous claims first hand is better than reading about them, especially from their detractors. Consider Ayn Rand, for example.

          You are correct: it is no accident that postmodernism as a label "is a degradation of the English language." As I said above, the word analysis was abandoned for "deconstruction." They take a watch apart completely to its constituent gears and bearings and then point to the absence of a watch as proof that watches do not exist. Rather than watches, though, they do that with reason, reality, and liberty.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 2 months ago
      To be anti-postmodernism is a rejection of things artsy-fartsy. It is a decision to be rational.
      http://steve-patterson.com/postmodern...
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      • Posted by Seer 7 years, 2 months ago
        The reason I do not want to be known as an intellectual is because I believe an intellectual looks within himself for answers to the external world. You can only understand yourself by looking inside. If you want to understand objective reality, you must be extroverted in outlook. It is why Europeans do not do introspection well; they are for the most part extroverts. They shouldn't delve into philosophy too much. Especially the Germans. Consider, for example, Kafka, who has said, "Those who wish to understand themselves must first have a death wish." Something like that.
        Or Herman Hesse: "Loneliness is the means by which destiny enables us to understand ourselves."

        True extroverts.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 2 months ago
    I think of post-modernism as saying truth is unknowable because we understand the world using models that influenced by our values. They point out how craniometry found differences in brain structure among the races, and that was later disproven. I'm not sure if they call it disproven because I think they're saying since scientific paradigms are created by flawed humans with their own cultural values, we never really know anything. Claiming to be value-neutral is just a trick to legitimate ideas. So we should pick what our values tell, and if we make observations contrary to that we need to adjust our paradigm.

    I see this as just giving up, saying since we might be wrong about something let's just make up the facts we want.

    I have been wondering if President Trump and his supporters subscribe to some form of this for the past few weeks. I started thinking when I read on this msg board someone say the president's critics are going regret questioning the truth of facts because Trump can just as easily say "fake news" right back. This is based on the premise that truth is a political strategy completely unrelated to objective observation. I don't know whether the people who engage in this intellectually reject the concept of reality or are simply lying.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 2 months ago
      The postmodernists point to every advance in science as "proof" that science is "always wrong" that scientists do not know and cannot know "truth."

      The seed of that is Thomas Kuhn's Structure of Scientific Revolutions. They go far beyond Kuhn's work, though, and take it show that all science is just a social narrative.

      The anti-climate change people are in that mode. I do not mean the ones who point to the scientific errors, the actual data, and better models. Everyone with a brain agrees that the climate changes. Moreover, it is undeniable that cities are warm spots. (Thank goodness for the warmth...) Whether and to what extent human action causes "global warming" is a different question entirely. Most of all, for us here, is the question of what to do about it, if it is real. Just because Texas is turning into a desert is no reason to deny the people of Africa refrigerators and washing machines - or to deny ourselves all of the benefits of cheap energy.

      Generally speaking, the anti-climate change voices who support Trump do not know the science. They do not care about the science. They denigrate all "university intellectuals" and "government supported research" without knowing or caring anything about the specific facts. They are "right wing postmodernists."
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      • Posted by Lucky 7 years, 2 months ago
        "The ad hominem that I have to toss out is: Isn't this stuff all government funded? "
        https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...

        The above point is valid.
        Scientists paid by government do not care about science, they care about money.
        Another motivation for the nonsense is the false altruism of 'saving the planet'.
        Unlike the harm caused by bribery, there is no end to the damage that this mushy
        headed do-goodism can cause.

        'Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.
        It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.
        The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated;
        but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval
        of their own conscience.'
        CS Lewis

        Those 'anti-climate change voices' of whom you speak know more science than the paid shrills
        calling themselves climate scientists who have concocted what they call data, made up phoney
        diagrams and analysis, and squelch even their fellow alarmist believers who may question the
        gravy chain.
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    • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 2 months ago
      Re: “Trump can just as easily say ‘fake news’ right back.” I think this is merely an observation that the liberal-friendly media is vulnerable to the same charges they throw so casually against Trump. For some inexplicable reason, the left seems unusually eager to use the boomerang as a weapon, as demonstrated in their recent violent protests against violence.
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