Postmodernism and the Anti-Hero

Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 3 months ago to Culture
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On The Federalist blog is a recent essay identifying Pres. Donald Trump as an anti-postmodernist. (“Donald Trump is the First President to Turn Postmodernism Against Itself” by David Ernst, January 23, 2017.) As interesting as it was, I have a different understanding of the anti-hero. ... It is not that the anti-hero has bad values, but that he has none.

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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Mike is reiterating one very sound criticism of that malignant 19th century European philosophical thought. Whoever read, or even studied it, defined it in ways they wanted to, in ways perhaps beneficial to themselves.

    So you can understand why Wittengenstein, later in the 20th century would say "What do you mean by that". He thought a lot of philosophy was meaningless because the language of it became meaningless.
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  • Posted by oldtk 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm glad he won the election but you certainly see him through a different lens than I do.
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  • Posted by oldtk 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I enjoy it when someone can extrapolate upon my thoughts to places I hadn't considered. No joke, I see your point about my unintended intent.??
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I meant "self-actualize"

    "the achievement of one's full potential through creativity, independence, spontaneity, and a grasp of the real world."

    From Dictionary.com

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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    When I read it, Mike, it was very long ago.

    Shakespeare said it best: "To thine own self be true; and it must follow as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man.

    But I meant to imply that the altruist is, in effect, hurting others, (by giving them "things") instead of helping them. So altruism isn't good for the "givee" any more than it is good for the "giver".

    Rand also said, "I will sacrifice my life for no man; nor will I allow another to sacrifice his life for me." In other words, no one is responsible for the life of another; HE is the only one responsible for his life.

    "A Man Said To The Universe" Stephen Crane:

    A man said to the Universe: "Sir, I exist".
    "That", replied the Universe, "does not create in me an obligation for your existence."

    In other words, to fully self-actuate, a man must take responsibility for himself. No other person can do it for him.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Almost President Clinton, with his husband, after leaving the White House, settled in a very large Long Island estate. Since the Secret Service had to be nearby at all times, the Clintons rented out a small servants' cottage to the government for the same amount as the entire estate. So, no more reason to wonder what Madam Almost President would have done.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What part of President Trump's life is "difficult"?

    As for his financial opportunities, I personally do not care too much - and am somewhat amused - that the US government is renting space in Trump Towers. However, my lack of concern made me stop and ask myself what I would think if it were Pres. Hillary Clinton enriching the Clinton Foundation through her office. (New topic to follow...)
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Perhaps that is literally true in a sense you did not intend. Nobles are altruists because their ideal is service to others. Merchants exemplified service to self.

    Even Objectivists commonly accept the word nobility to mean virtue in the vernacular sense. It is all through Ayn Rand's fiction. However, a close analysis of the word reveals its flaws, just as altruism, the common good, the greatest good for the greatest number, sacrifice, compromise, and conflict of interest, are all misused because they are misunderstood.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ego and fame are not bound together. It is true that an egoist may become famous as a consequence of primary actions. Ayn Rand is a perfect example. However, no true egoists seeks fame as a primary goal. Trump does.

    I understand the literary device, based on reality, of the Atlas Shrugged good guys naming their companies after themselves, while the bad guys are "Associated" and "Amalgamated." Ford, Buick, Chevrolet, and AC spark plugs for August Champion... So, yes, Trump Towers, and Trump Casino... why not?

    How many of the billion Facebook users would jump to meet their friends on "Zuckerberg"? Branding is everything and "trump" is both a verb and a noun, so that works for him. But I would not extend that inward to say that Pres. Donald Trump is an egoist.

    He seems to be the opposite of an egoist: a very public man.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    An egoist does not care about the opinions of other people. Perhaps more precisely as a friend once said: "I care what other people think about me, it's just that my self-esteem does not depend on it."

    Pres. Donald Trump displays the psycho-epistemology of Peter Keating. He is all about what later sociologists called "impression management." Donald Trump may not "care" if other people "like" him, but he does seem to depend on their noticing him. That is why he is on Twitter and reality television, and not just buying and selling buildings, while quietly minding his own business.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Have you read The Virtue of Selfishness? Altruism does not mean being nice to other people. The word was invented about 1830 by August Comte and meant exactly what Ayn Rand reminded us that it means today: denial of self.

    When you deny your Self, no other virtues are possible.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I doubt that even when "they" engage in altruism, "they" are not aware that "they" are hurting those "they" purport to help.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True enough, except the part about Jesus. I think
    he died for something he sincerely (making allowance for a certain amount of self-deception)
    believed in. I'm not saying I believe in it, but I
    think it was for his cause. It's very sad.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Far from it. I am suggesting (stating) that the socialists, et. al., pretend to be noble because they push altruism (on to others).
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  • Posted by oldtk 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are you suggesting that only the socialists, progressives and liberals have nobility??
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As for Jesus, I think that he simply died. What for was decided later by others. But if you're looking for a noble altruistic cause, I don't think that you will find it here, or anywhere else, except for the fairy tales. You may have noticed that most people here do not attribute altruism to noble qualities. However, there are many elsewhere who do proclaim it to be noble and they insist that others practice it (others than they). They are the socialists, progressives and liberals, and they have nearly succeeded in destroying this country, while they have totally succeeded in destroying many other countries.
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  • Posted by oldtk 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Other presidents? I'm sure you could come up with one or two who pursued good for the country out of the need to be praised.

    What is wrong with those qualities? They lack moral character. Not that I'm a Jesus follower, but, did Jesus die for us in order to be seen as a savior, or did he die to save us?
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  • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I get no joy from imprisoning others or myself.
    Boundaries exist without physical imprisonment. They, however, require rational minds which are capable of conceptual thought and able to create rules and minimal governments to protect persons in their selves and their properties. Quit giving citizens and non-citizens free stuff and making it extremely profitable to be criminals with extreme drug laws, then there would be no reason to want to come here other than better oneself and maybe they would try to civilize their own countries and maybe the USA could become a country of adult humans rather than continue the adolescent stage that it is in at present. Then liberty might just become desirable to most people.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I presume that you are seeing these qualities as negative. First, has any other president, or, for that matter, anyone else in high position, who has felt or acted differently? Second, what is specifically wrong with those qualities?
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  • Posted by oldtk 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Once reached, why would Trump make his own life difficult by fighting every battle in front of him?"

    Ego, fame, etc. He wants to be seen and remembered as the great savior. Everything with him is as he says, the greatest, most amazing, most incredible, most everything. It fits with his MO.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just wanted you to know, Mike, that I am still working on this comment of yours, thinking on't, so to speak.

    I think you are saying art is incontrovertibly entwined with the cultural and political happenings of the times. I certainly have no quarrel with that. But art is first and foremost an indicator of man's need to express himself; and of course that would also reflect the particular time in which the artist lives.

    We are probably more in agreement, than not.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Borders, whether substantive or imaginary, are man's means of determining "where you end and I begin" for either the individual or society. The distinction between the "I" and the "Thou". The Left wants to make that distinction no longer relevant, so they continually harp on "building the wall" and the economics thereof, and that it is not an "American value" to keep immigrants at bay.
    I did want to say this in regards to the Eskimo's "sense of property". Driftwood apparently must be either "mine" or "yours", but not both; but wives are to be shared with strangers. Just saying.
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  • Posted by Seer 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't get into "art" that much.

    In fact, when I was going for my degree in math, I was told I needed 6 credits of Humanities. (I had 200 college credits, but nothing in Humanities.)

    I could take Art Appreciation, Music Appreciation or Acting as qualifying credits. I took Acting.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Locks just stop honest people. Definitions of "property" seem to me to be socially contextual. I grant that fences are a universal indicator. But there are societies in which the huts have no doors, and the hut is still not to be transgressed. On the other hand, our retail establishments have very stout doors that open automatically for anyone and everyone. I once read that Eskimos (Aleuts), have a sense of property concerning driftwood. Wood is valuable, there being so little of it. But, if you find a piece of it, arbitrarily "far" up the shore away from the water, it was "obviously" dragged there by someone else and is not your property. That idea -- "not mine" -- is deep within our own culture: not everything left unattended is free for the taking.

    Perhaps this is best taken to a new discussion.
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