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The Fountainhead movie with Gary Cooper

Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 3 months ago to Entertainment
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The book was tremendous .The movie left a lot to be desired. The best part was the courtroom scene with Roark speaking in his defense. I just watched it for the first time and am curious what you all have to say about it.


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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 7 years, 3 months ago
    Hello Dobrien,
    It is, as most movies are, a poor substitute for the book. Still, I do own it on DVD and watch it every few years. It is a pleasant way to spend a couple of hours reviewing and refreshing my recollection of the essential elements of the story. It was a movie that Rand had input on and some editorial control of.
    Regards,
    O.A.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago
      Thanks OA,
      I agree and am glad I read the book before seeing it.
      Another scene I liked was when Roark told the board no when they tried to add columns and other nonsense.
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  • Posted by elstonc 7 years, 3 months ago
    I suggest that "The Fountainhead" could be portrayed on television as a mini-series, or even a long-arc, multi-season series. An example of such is, "The Man in the High Castle," currently in season 2 on Amazon Prime. It is based on the novel of the same name by Phillip K. Dick.

    Granted, in the case of "The Man in the High Castle," the TV series only loosely resembles the book. But that need not be the case for "The Fountainhead" (or "Atlas Shrugged, for that matter). There is plenty of material in "The Fountainhead" to make for a compelling series without having to drastically reimagine or augment the story.
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    • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 3 months ago
      Agreed. Especially the Monadnock Valley story. That would be worth an entire episode right there--beginning with Roark telling the younger man what he had just built, flashing back to when Caleb Bradley granted him an "interview," and ending with Steven Mallory furiously describing how Monadnock was a con that went sour when it made more money than its builders intended.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 3 months ago
    I watch it every so often. A lot can be said about it. I noticed that it had the feel of being a stage play that was filmed. But there were many cinematic moments, as when Roark met Dominique at the Enright House: he came to the floor of action from the floor below, as if rising from the quarry.

    All in all, it lived up to Ayn Rand's theories on the integration of plot and theme.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 3 months ago
    Gary Cooper was the best Howard Roark anyone could have found--and if Rand could have gotten the support to do an epic of Atlas Shrugged, on the scale of Joseph L. Mankiewicz' Cleopatra, Gary Cooper would have been just right as John Galt. (With Fredric March as Henry Rearden, Barbara Stanwyck as Dagny, Ricardo Montalban as Francisco, and Chuck Connors as Ragnar.)

    That said, I did not approve of Patricia Neal as Dominique Francon. I would have suggested Barbara Stanwyck as Dominique--and Fred MacMurray as Gail Wynand, and George Sanders as Ellsworth M. Toohey.
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    • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 3 months ago
      If Gary Cooper had been 15 or 20 years younger, he might have been the best Howard Roark anyone could have found. He was 47 years old in 1948 - a bit advanced in years to be just starting out in a career as an architect.
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      • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 3 months ago
        In that case he would have been just about the right age to portray Henry Rearden.

        But I was just thinking that William Holden would have made a good Henry Rearden.
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    • Posted by mccannon01 7 years, 3 months ago
      Agreed, Temlakos! Patricia Neal didn't fit this role. She appeared "wooden" to me as though she froze in place and read her lines off cue cards. She did a much better job in the 1951 "Day The Earth Stood Still".
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      • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago
        She was not an experienced actress. I have learned this was her third film and had professionally acted for about 4 years before playing Dominique Francon.
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        • Posted by mccannon01 7 years, 3 months ago
          Ahhh, that would explain it. Thanks for the info.
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          • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago
            It also began an affair with Gary Cooper that ended in an abortion and Cooper unwilling to leave his wife and family. She went on to have five children the last was a girl and she suffered a serious stroke while pregnant .Having to learn to walk and talk again. She in an interview later in life said she had always regretted the abortion. She won he academy award for best actress in "Hud" .edit for error.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago
      Thanks Temlakos,
      I would have loved to see Atlas Shrugged as a 2 part epic in the early 60's With ,Audrey Hepburn as Dagny, Lee,Marvin as Hank Reardon, John Wayne as Ellis Wyatt, Raymond Burr as John Galt, Paul Newman as Ragnar and Marcello Mastroianni as Francisco, Charles Durning as Wesley Mouch, Henry Fonda as Dr Stadler
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 7 years, 3 months ago
    I thought Cooper was very "wooden" in his portrayal of Roark..... but Patricia Neal was beautiful... I watch it every couple of years and, when possible, show it to some of the younger generation(s)....
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 3 months ago
    The movie suffers from quite a few problems. Many nuances of the novel were lost by compressing 700+ pages into less than two hours. Peter Keating's role was diminished to nearly nothing. The movie had to conform to strictly enforced Hollywood conventions regarding the portrayal of sex and religion. Gary Cooper was miscast, as he was too old for the role of Howard Roark. I think a much better movie could be made today, particularly if it were long enough to restore some of the missing plot and character developments.
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    • Posted by ohiocrossroads 7 years, 3 months ago
      Agreed. I normally think that 80 pages of a novel will translate into 1 hour of a movie. So The Fountainhead could be a marvelous 9 hour miniseries. I never have thought that Gary Cooper was right for the role of Roark; too much baggage from playing bumpkins in movies such as "Man of the West", "Meet John Doe", and "Along Came Jones". He seemed stiff as Roark, probably because he was being directed to play outside his normal earthy portrayals. I think Ayn Rand picked him as Roark based on his physical attributes, not on his persona. An actor from the Golden Age of Hollywood that would have been a good Roark was Burt Lancaster. On the other hand, Patricia Neal was spot-on as Dominique. I remember that actor Ron Ely tried to remake The Fountainhead in the early '80's, but nothing ever came of it. He starred in the Tarzan TV series of the '60's.
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    • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 3 months ago
      Are you aware that Ayn Rand wrote the screenplay and chose the director? Compressing a book into a movie will always disappoint the fans of the book. We own a copy of every remake of Pride and Prejudice. You will note that absolutely zero Elfish grammar or philology appeared in any of the 6 LOTR/Hobbit movies. And where was all that narrative when Gregory Peck was Captain Ahab? And, tell me true: Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

      According to Ayn Rand's theory of objective aesthetics, you have to take the movie as it is delivered, as a work of art in its own right, independent of anything else. Consider the statue of Laocoon and His Sons Attacked by Serpents. The statue depicts a scene from a myth with several variations. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laoco%C...) An aesthetic judgment of the statue must be independent of the stories behind it. So, too, with the movie version of The Fountainhead.
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      • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 3 months ago
        Re: “An aesthetic judgment of the statue must be independent of the stories behind it. So, too, with the movie version of The Fountainhead.” I’m not sure where Ayn Rand said that, but she certainly did not shy away from comparing other movies to their literary sources. For example, she criticized the film version of Ian Fleming’s From Russia With Love as not living up to the book: “The skillfully constructed, dramatic suspense of Fleming’s climax was replaced by conventional stuff, such as old-fashioned chases, involving nothing but crude physical danger.” – Ayn Rand, Bootleg Romanticism.

        Since Ayn Rand wrote the Fountainhead screenplay, chose the director, and clearly intended the movie to be an adaptation of her novel (the cover of which appeared prominently in the opening credits), it is certainly legitimate to compare the movie to the novel on aesthetic grounds.
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        • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 3 months ago
          Thanks and fair enough. From Russia With Love was not a long, complicated book. None of Ian Fleming's books was hard to read. That is why they were published by Playboy where John Kennedy found them.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 7 years, 3 months ago
    The opinions and analyses are all over the place. The most common thread I detect is that a movie version of a favorite book usually suffers because of the condensation. In the case of adaptations of Ayn Rand's novels we now have two major examples. The old Fountainhead movie (which I still always get sucked into) is not as good as the book. Which says a lot for the book, of course. That movie was 1949.

    And now the recent 3 movie attempt at Atlas Shrugged. Even though that effort suffered from many of the same defects of condensation, the turnover of characters really hurt the effort.

    These lessons should be used as a guide towards future treatments of both of these novels. In this era of the popularity of extended mini-series, even across seasons, the opportunity exists to do the best possible job.

    Imagine binge watching 39 episodes of Atlas Shrugged!
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    • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 3 months ago
      Three. Of which I rate We The Living as the best.
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      • Posted by Flootus5 7 years, 3 months ago
        You're right. Forgot about that one. I've seen it once and had a tough time with it. I think I will give it another try because I think I was tired at the time. Had a hard time concentrating on the dialogue and the flow of the scenes. I thought the book is great.
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    • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 3 months ago
      I could have written a better script than the Atlas Shrugged movie. Not bragging that I am a great writer, but, in a way, that is the point. It would be a matter of knowing what to cut and what to leave in.A lot (and I mean a lot) of it could be straight copy from the book, as Ayn Rand had already done most of the book herself. Some of the matter in the scenes reads like instructions to the camera man (logical, since she was a screen writer before her success as a novelist).
      For instance, that scene where Philip Rearden
      tries to get a job with Rearden (most likely to
      get himself installed in the place as a spy),
      Rearden turns him down, and Philip makes a
      not-so-subtle threat to have the government in-
      stall him; Rearden looks at him; Philip sees the
      industrial dangers right in front of him, and breaks out into a cold sweat.

      In a mini-series, that Winston Tunnel incident
      could make an excellent morality-play episode
      all by itself; of course, dialogue or some sort of
      flashbacks, or both, would have to be added to
      explain the motivations of the road foreman,
      trainmaster, etc. Also maybe some written ma-
      terial across the screen identifying the guilty
      passengers who deserve what they get.
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  • Posted by salta 7 years, 3 months ago
    Unfortunately, the movie is only really appreciated by those who have read the book, because they will understand the real meaning in many scenes.
    That said, those who appreciated read the book will never think that condensing it into a movie is a good idea.
    Atlas Shrugged suffers the same dilemma.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 7 years, 3 months ago
    It's hard to tell a six hour story in less than two hours. Movie making, especially from a book, is all about compromise.The trick is to tell the story on film without loosing the story on the printed page. Rand had a lot of influence in the making of "The Fountainhead" but because she was already an experienced screen writer she was familiar with the limitations and demands of conversion from one format to the other. She simply made the best of a difficult situation. I like the movie but I like the book better. The movie is a kind of video "Cliffnotes" version of the book. The same is true of AS 1,2 and 3.
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  • Posted by philosophercat 7 years, 3 months ago
    The young Gary Cooper who played Sgt. York was the handsomest man I have ever seen. He looked beaten upon in the Fountainhead. The Architect was William L. Pereira who did the exciting UCSD Library and Transamerica in SF He did a good job imagining a new architecture but my favorite scene is Roark looking up at Dominique from the Quarry. That look between them says it all and grounds the story as film.
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  • Posted by diessos 7 years, 3 months ago
    Although I enjoy the original I would love to see it remade. I think the Ellsworth Toohey character in the original was too benign.
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    • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 3 months ago
      But Toohey was benign. He was polished, graceful, and cultured. He could be crude for effect, but he was truly and evil genius. The part could have been played many ways. Every actor brings his own interpretation of every role.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago
      Hi diessos ,
      I enjoyed watching it even though it was very condensed. A lot was missing from the book.
      A good remake would be great. It won't likely happen as it would bomb at the box office.
      Plus most of the popular box office stars would sabotage the message as it is opposed to their collectivist philosophy.
      Regards ,
      DOB
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      • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 3 months ago
        (1) There are many conservative and individualist actors.

        (2) Actors act under direction. While some of the actors in Atlas Shrugged 1,2,3 were familiar the works of Ayn Rand, most were not. They just read their lines.

        (One who did was Armin Shimerman who played Dr. Ferris. He was Quark and the Ferengi in DS9. At a Trekker con, I asked him about Ayn Rand and he said that he read The Fountainhead in college and was going to read more before shooting the next season in order to get a better understanding. Also from that series was Robert Picardo who played the Medical Hologram. He was Dr. Robert Stadler in 3.
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        • Posted by RTM2301 7 years, 3 months ago
          Robert Picardo played Stadler in AS2, not 3. Also, I noticed that AS1 has a credit for Mercedes Connor as Cherryl Brooks, even though she was never seen in the film. Anyone have a clue how that came about?
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        • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 3 months ago
          When Robert Picardo appeared in AS3, I flashed back to his performance as the medical hologram in Star Trek Voyager. I was half-expecting him to say, "Please state the nature of the scientific emergency." :-)
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  • Posted by Dags 7 years, 3 months ago
    I hear an interview with Gary Cooper years ago. He regretted that he had not read the book before he did the movie. He said if he had, his courtroom scene would have been more passionate.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago
      Thanks for sharing Dags ,
      Work must have come easy to him. I couldn't imagine being a lead character or any character for that matter and not reading the story 1st.
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  • Posted by Enyway 7 years, 3 months ago
    I think I heard this during an interview with Rand, probably on Netflix. When asked about 'The Fountain Head', she told of rewriting Roarke's summation scene (from some input from someone) to make it shorter. She rewrote the speech adding several minutes. Don't try to argue with Ayn Rand. If she thought she was right, you probably wouldn't win.
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  • Posted by xba739 7 years, 3 months ago
    I agree spent a great wet afternoon with the Fountainhead then the Razor's Edge with Tyrone Power and Gina Turniey. every now and then for a top up
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    • Posted by xba739 7 years, 3 months ago
      Gary Cooper probably represented a Roark character when this movie was made I did love the upward direction of the camera work when Roark and Dominique see each other at the Stone Quarry (then the following almost rape scene very risqué for the time) then repeated at the very end. Ivor King did ok
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 7 years, 3 months ago
    I read the book first, and usually find movies fall short of the book. I thought it was good, Gary Copper was a good choice, but I also felt Patricia Neal was not quite it. Agree with Paul Newman, he always did well. in a part. For the assessment of Raymond Burr, did you ever see him in "The Blue Gardenia" - really different from Perry Mason.
    I really can't think of the right man or woman for the part today, that could project with honesty the objectivist beliefs. We have all these childish male actors today, and the limited talent females. Not too many Myrna Loys, Cagneys or Gables. Joseph Cotton and Charles Boyer always could project what was needed.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago
      Hi Stormi ,
      Thanks for sharing. I have not seen the Blue Gardenia. Do you recommend it?
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      • Posted by $ Stormi 7 years, 3 months ago
        Absolutely, if you like 1953 film noir movies. Anne Baxter, Ann Southern, Richard Conte, and Raymond Burr as a well off, ladies man who likes to force himself on them, until one of them kills him. It is classic film noir, dark, deep, mysterious, all the while with the haunting song in the background, Nat King Cole singing "Blue Gardenia" 9 hooks you, as did Marilyn Monroe in :Niagra, alos film noir" - maybe her best acting..
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