Recently, I wrote a piece on this subject that I suspect my fellow Galters will enjoy: https://fee.org/articles/stay-east-yo...

I want to leave CA too, but I need to find the right job first. Preferably in NH.

The light bulb on this brightened for me when I was having a conversation with an architect colleague of mine (also an Ayn Rand fan). I was showing him photos of prairie-style homes and saying I want to have one someday. He said, "You can't build that in California. Doesn't comply with our Energy Code." And, he's right. I did own a beautiful Streng home once, and that's close. But, I want more glass and a beautiful view. Can't be done in Cali anymore unless you are very connected...

I am about half an hour southwest of Cocoa Beach.

It sounds like to me that the producers in California are moving and should move as soon as possible. When they do the entire system will collapse. I say let them secede.

Abaco, check out the latest article from IBD that I just posted. You will like!

My folks have their winter place in Cocoa Beach. It is absolutely wonderful. I make it a point to visit once a year. I've been asking them over the past 20 years if the water has risen into their living room as a result of rising sea levels due to "Climate Change" (they are at four feet elevation). Well no, and the property values have rebounded nicely since the crash of the speculative market in '08.

I have had a similar reaction while ambling along the boardwalks of Huntington Beach ... it still has the appearance of prosperity, but behind the curtain lies a mountain of debt and welfare redistribution schemes.

Having spent a large part of my career in the maritime field it was interesting to see his take on things. Whilst attending work I had the opportunity to be involved in some civil actions involving lawyers and judges who had ABSOLUTELY NO concept of admiralty law. The cases could have been handled much better and more effectively in an admiralty court.

Or how many would stay in California- only the ones signing the back of a government check I would suspect.

I'm elk, not much of a deer hunter, I do like Utah better in most ways.

It would be interesting to see this Calexit thing come to pass and then see how long it would last without DC's money. Oh wait, then they could apply for foreign aid! Oooo, they are smarter than I thought. Phil M get out of there while you can,

It wasn't so much of the Feds actively driving as the local and state militia. The Feds just refused to defend from the state actions. A lot of what happened in Missouri was due to the fact that many early members were New England abolitionists. In Illinois they became such a large voting block that they could swing the state.
The real problem with the Feds started with the Utah War, a.k.a Buchanan's Blunder. Google that for more information.
At the time the first Mormons left for Utah it was part of Mexico. By the time they got there it was in the USA. The Mormon Battalion also participated in the Mexican-American war.

There is a Law of the Land and Law of the water. You don`t have to contract with them. . What do you think of that?
Humans Controlled by Admiralty Maritime Law - Jordan Maxwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRjoM...

The numbers should be unnerving native Californians. The state has lost over 140,000 more legal residents than have entered the state just this last year. The reasons given are high taxes, over regulation, increasing crime rates, high cost of living, increasing restrictions on 1st and 2nd amendment rights.

However, the population appears to be increasing, with high numbers of invaders from countries south of the border and elsewhere. I would say the Reconquista is successful, except that Hispanics sans legal documents are being overtaken by other "unhappy wanderers" from Africa, the Middle East, and China. Sooner or later things will collapse, but the crazies bent on destroying the state seem oblivious.

from watching THE WEST on netflix, I can see the distrust of the Feds, who basically chased the mormons militarily from state to state until they escaped to Utah, which was outside of the USA at the time. From what I could tell , it was basically because of the polygamy beliefs they held.

Avid hunter? The hunting culture is so strong in Utah that the first day of the general deer season is practically an unofficial state holiday. They usually call it a teacher prep day since they know a lot of teachers and students will be out.

There are those individuals who are intolerant, but it's not an institutional thing. Also, state income tax is a flat 5% with deductions allowed. So the effective rate is somewhat less. Property taxes are very low compared to the PRC. The economy is one of the best in the nation and the state is run in a fiscally responsible manner. The legislature is part time. So they are not constantly in session feeling the need to pass stupid laws and spend money (like the PRC). There is a cultural distrust of the Feds. The general feeling, outside of SLC, is somewhat libertarian.

You might consider some of the less obvious places to move to:
North Central Nebraska - Knox County and Counties West of there - good people - virtually no crime.
Dakota Dunes, SD - 7% crime rate of nation as a whole. North and West of there is the freshest air you will ever find.
Oklahoma City, OK - South end of town is wall to wall factories. You're in a solidly conservative state.
North and NE Mississippi - Undergoing a dramatic building phase with new factories coming in and Oxford building like crazy.
NE Missouri - Smaller towns - you can buy houses all day long for next to nothing as there is a general population decline with younger people moving to KC, Columbia, and elsewhere. People from larger cities and California in particular believe I'm lying when they hear about houses and lots selling for much less than what lots cost other places.

Just providing some other ideas from my experience.

Dennis May

We did it 22 years ago. The future looked bleak for living in California. A beautiful state, but.....
"The state is like granola, once you get rid of the nuts and fruits all you have left are the flakes."

I technically like Utah better, but I'm an avid hunter, home base needs to be plentiful and cheap for it. Not much in Utah.

I am not a fan of the mormon religion's untolerance of non-believers, but as long as one is quiet about that, their financial and most family values seem ok.

They do have an income tax, so one doesnt want to be too gainfully employed and live there.

Last time I went to California, I had the picture in mind of the rotted out tree in the beginning of AS.

I am getting interested in Utah. Getting tired of the government here in Nevada. The new business tax based on total sales (not income) bothers me a lot.

Same with me. I left about then too. The last straw was when they debited my bank account without my permission for a $29 DMV unpaid registration fee for a trailer that I no longer used.

Not to mention the ever increasing taxes. I moved to Las Vegas, but am wondering about what Nevada has become now. Too many hillary supporters here now.