I was teasing of course. Just pointing out the ridiculousness of her claim.

I was teasing, of course.

Because Hillary won there.

"Tell me if you can, Did you not know 5 minutes before you left to vote this time that neither Johnson or Stein had a snowballs chance in hell?"
In my state, CA, no candidate for President had a snowball's chance, other than Hiliary (who actually had the fiery furnace chance in Hell). So the wasted vote issue did not even exist here in CA for our electoral college office.

Although there is a history of US Presidents
(including #1, and #2, and nuclear age POTUS's)
using pot
http://hightimes.com/culture/11-us-pr...
it is not as big a concern (to me) as alcohol or a bad (or more likely non-existent) philosophy and policy regarding freedoms.

Okay you are a Democrat. Question: Did you seriously want Hillary to win?

Political bias. Stein's claim that its all about assuring the elections were fair is proven a lie by the fact that she hasn't challenged the vote in any of Hitlery's close wins: NH, Nevada, Minnesota, and Maine.

Agree. Bow to Obama Paul Ryan is a despicable professional politician who should be a poster boy for term limits.
Smiley Mitt Romney was a turn off even when me dino voted for him to be president.

I am with you but only in part. I just can't stand the thought of voting third party and still having to live another 4 years with one of the two Demicans who will surely win. When and Only When we can find a 3rd party candidate worthy of the cause will I opt against one of the other 2.
Tell me if you can, Did you not know 5 minutes before you left to vote this time that neither Johnson or Stein had a snowballs chance in hell?
Only when we run a third party candidate with a real message as good or better than the other two will we ever see the winds change in this direction. I have heard all of this hog wash so many times before I am tired of the useless argument for it. As it stands today I am not at all unhappy with the results of this election but I guess you have to ask me again in 4 years. If Johnson had won I suppose we could all just roll another one and go back to sleep.

Finally! An introspective Democrat! I agree that the Democrat party has chosen the path that will ultimately lead to it's downfall if it continues on the path it is on.

A lot more intellectual integrity is what is truly needed by those of that political persuasion! The whining by HRC and the rest of those miscreants who bought that dribble is exactly what we have come to expect from these childish, petulant clowns!

Until they grow up and start thinking like rational human beings, they will be wandering in the desert for years. Or, if not and the country starts buying the crap they are selling, then we all will be living in the Orwellian nightmare they seem to desire.

HRC! Will you ever get it?!

HItlery winning the popular vote could be an indication of how much better reasoning is taught in the boonies than in the large cities.
If you remove any one of New York, or Los Angeles, or San Francisco, or Chicago from the total vote count, Trump has more popular vote as well as more electoral votes. Trump won the popular vote outside those cities by almost 5 million votes.
Trump's team knew those cities were a lost cause and didn't waste many resources there. They used reason to determine their strategy, and they won the electoral votes that mattered.
That is the kind of ability to think that is needed in the executive branch. Hitlery, the so called best prepared person for the office, had no such ability to reason, and the majority pf people outside the major cities recognized that as one of Hitlery's many flaws.

Perhaps - but there really is little motivation to vote
for a Republican in a HUGELY heavy Democratic state like California - where in the all or nothing elector vote leaves little motivation for many to vote for the minority candidate.
I do not recall seeing a single Trump ad in CA, which makes perfect sense given the zero chance. If popular vote actually counted at national level then the campaigns (and voting) would have been significantly different.

Voting for 3rd parties is not a waste - it is the most obvious thing a voter can do to show that the Demicans do not represent them and that change is necessary.
3rd party voting affects Demicans campaigning, messaging, spending, policies, etc.
Voting Demican is frequently likely a waste if you want any reduced government - most of the time it just affirms the status quo: continued lost of liberty and property, but perhaps a a slightly different rate.

evolve to Libertarian seems more likely. Voted for Johnson, so that is a pretty good clue.

I wonder why Jill Stein isn't demanding a NH recount?

We actually agree more than you might know!
I firmly believe what we really have is a singular party we could name Demopublicans.

Your reasoning is why we have two entrenched parties and voting for a third party candidate is considered "wasting their vote". As long as the Democrats and Republicans can rig the system to favor themselves, a third party will never get a chance to succeed. I did think this past election was one that had a chance due to the dislike for the two major party candidates, but then the two major third party candidates weren't much better in that they really didn't offer a better alternative to either Clinton or Trump. If either party could have put forth a truly Presidential candidate (someone who offered more policy-wise, and not just fringe issues), I believe they could have upset the election. As it was though, we had a tree-hugger with political aspirations and a guy who was clueless when it came to anything outside the borders of this country whose main ambition was to legalize pot in every state. (I know I am strawmaning these candidates, but that was the impression I got from them).

With such clear, logical thinking, I wonder why this
person is still a Democrat. But perhaps he will e-
volve into a Republican. (Though with such a non-
free-enterprise sample of a President as Trump, I
doubt it).

I know we are living in the twitter age of messaging in under 140 characters, but the Clintons and Democrats are not Voldemort in the Harry Potter's series. They don't appear when you mention their names. ;-P

Also, it really is disingenuous to claim that because Hillary won the popular vote that it was some sort of major hurtle for women. It is almost impossible to win the popular vote and not win by more than any previous candidate. The country's population is increasing and as such the number of voters is also increasing. So unless voter apathy increases each subsequent election will have higher numbers of people voting resulting in a higher number of votes for the candidate who win the popular vote.

Actually, if you take out California, Hillary did not win the popular vote.

But are Johnson's numbers because he was a better speech maker, or because Hillary wasn't palatable to the Democrat voter? I am also sure that while not at an equal level to the Democrats much of Johnson's votes also came from Trump being equally unpalatable to Republican voters. I really wish we could break the two party mold we have settled into in this country and offer different options to the people of this country. As it is now, we are offer two candidates who are essentially both sides of the same coin in that they are both taking us to the same destination, just at different speeds. And that destination is not the one the Founders imagined when they put the foundation for this country into place. They wanted a government that protected the individual's life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, while involving itself extremely minimally in their lives. However, we evolved a class of people who believe that the nanny state is preferable to this model and they have infected the political system on both sides. They have decided in their own wisdom that they know what is better for the country and have attempted to make the system fair for everyone by inflating the extent to which the federal government has extended its tendrils into everyone's lives. So each party is in an arms race to see who can 'fix' the government better and in the process they are feeding it and making it larger. It can be compared to Audrey II in Little Shop of Horrors. At first when it was tiny it seemed innocuous and harmless to feed it, but eventually it grows and gets out of control (not the happy ending they ended up doing in the 1986 remake, but its original ending where it has multiplied and is running loose destroying the world). And everytime they pass legislation to try to (re)balance the playing field, they just create more problems that need fixing in an ever increasing spiral of death for what should be the freest country in the world. Instead they forge the next link in the chain that enslaves the people to the government that was supposed to be the slave to those people.

(Whoa, went off on a major tangent there)

We got Trump, and now its up to him to do what he said and at least slow down the march to socialism. He seems to be doing just that with his appointments so far. I do hope he doesnt hire Romney as SOS. That guy is a disloyal snake, as is Paul Ryan- two peas in a pod.

I can't deny the effect that Johnson and Stein had on the outcome of this election. I do have a hard time understanding those who did in fact waste their votes on either of these candidates. Johnson IMO proved himself a complete ass before voting and Stein has and continues to prove herself just as big an ass. What difference might it have made if either of their voters decided to just stay home and not waste their time?
I don't yet know what it will take to bring our elections to a point where a third party candidate might ever have a real shot at winning but as long as winning gets the prize I will be sticking with the ones that have a shot.

I do find it a bit difficult to believe she got 2.5 million votes more than Trump, especially when it took weeks and weeks to find that out. In the past dozen elections, the electoral college pretty much mirrors the popular vote, except for a very few times in our election history.

Why are we engaging in helping the democrats to make their manipulations more effective? I think we should encourage and let them make as many mistakes as possible. I sure dont want some Hildebeast running the country.