Hip-Hop

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I am what is today called a "classically trained musician." I suppose that means , I went to school to learn music.I studied composition and musicology, and played a number of brass instruments. I have played with orchestras and swing bandas, but I haven't been a professional performer for many years.Our new car came with Sirius so I played around with it one day, listening to various channels until I accidently landed on a hip-hop station.My ears were assaulted with a driving beat and some person chanting: (Please pardon the following)
"I just wanna fuck bad bitches,
Chicken head, chicken fed, with a dick in your mouth."
As I listened to this charming tirade, I could hardly believe my ears. I later found out that this was some person called Dr. Dre. I decidedto listen to more of this stuff. Surely it couldn't all be this bad. I was wrong, it was. And worse.

Apparently, to rappers, women are not fully human. They are all bitches and whores and are to be raped, abused, and beaten. Hip-hop is for young men who do things without consequences, and society says it is OK. It even gets various music awards though it is filled with violence, crime, sex-as-brutality, and more. And then, society wonders why its young men are so violent.

I suppose I am naïve in that I wasn't aware of the depths of depravity that this so-called music represents. I heard rap many years ago by Ice-T and others of that era, but had no idea how low this junk has gotten. If art is the flower on the tree of philosophy, this must be a stinkweed.


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  • Posted by  $  Abaco 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    Yeah, it's bad. It's barely music, really. I don't consider it music. I don't have your background but studied blues and jazz as a guitarist for many years. Fun stuff...
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    • Posted by 3 months, 2 weeks ago
      Nothing wrong with blues and jazz. Who are your favorites?
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      • Posted by  $  tohar1 3 months, 2 weeks ago
        You have to check out Joe Bonamassa. The BEST blues/rock guitarist on the scene currently. He is the REAL DEAL when it comes to paying homage to the classics while at the same time performing new music that sounds just awesome! If you get a chance to see him live, please do. He & his band put on an incredible show! He advertises that he's "Always On The Road" which I believe...I think he must tour 8-9 months of the year! The rest of his time is spent recording. He plays in several great bands, as well as his solo efforts. Check out Black Country Communion (More Rock) and Rock Candy Funk Party (Funky) if you're looking to expand musical tastes.
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      • Posted by  $  Abaco 3 months, 2 weeks ago
        Wes Montgomery - I just listened in awe. Never tried to cop his style.

        Robben Ford - likely my all-time favorite. I grew up spinning that Yellowjackets vinyl as a kid over and over and when a guitar buddy hosted a clinic by Robben I got to meet him. Haha...it was like meeting God. Fantastic talent.

        Joe Bonamassa - Probably the most refreshing blues talent to hit it big since Stevie Ray Vaughn. Amazing chops and he keeps evolving, getting better.

        My favorite rock star is a bay area guy named Dave Meniketti. Very soulful player. While he made his living with his rock band it was his blues material that really shines. Fantastic voice. Whenever I see him or his wife I always ask for more blues - haha. He had me join him on stage for a tune on his 50th birthday. That was surreal...

        I played all over NorCal doing rock. But, one of my most memorable performances was when I threw together a very talented blues quartet with some buddies to raid a big, local jam. They got us up first to kick off the night and we did a Robben Ford song, a Tommy Castro song (love his stuff!), and a Meniketti blues tune. Never forget that set. Also, during one gig my rock band had in the east bay we noticed a young guy getting carried out drunk. Turns out he was going off to Afghanistan the next day to fight. So I dedicated our set to him and we blew the roof off the place with our tightest set ever. The venue was crammed with several bay area rock stars present. Very fun gig. All that stuff came to an end when my son got sick. My one prized guitar hangs on the wall of my home office right over my favorite amp. I pluck it for just a few minutes each year and that's it. I needed to try to heal my son so that was that...
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        • Posted by 3 months, 2 weeks ago
          Wes Montgomery - excellent taste. I was just put on to Bonamassa by another Gulcher.
          As to your son, best of all possible wishes. But it was something similar that took me from music in order to make more income. Nowadays I have an electric keyboard that I play now and then. Sometimes I'll sit there and hours will pass, other times five minutes will do it. I highly recommend it for the ex musician, for therapy if nothing else.
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  • Posted by  $  allosaur 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    Where has me dino heard people talk like rappers sing?
    Oh, yeah, the state prison where I used to work.
    The MF-word is heard within almost every spoken sentence orally farted by some of those losers. .
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  • Posted by  $  MikeMarotta 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    Most of the billions of dollars (truly - Forbes here http://www.forbes.com/2004/02/18/cx_j... -)spent on this come from white people, including middle-aged white women. If it were just for the worst people among urban Afro-Americans, it would be invisible to the rest of us.

    Today, it is a global phenomenon. You can hear rap in Albanian. And it is not all violent or misogynist. It is just a musical innovation. Do not conflate the music and the lyrics. Was Beethoven's "Ode to Joy" an anthem for the Illuminati? Would Wagner have been a Nazi? The worst rap music is just that: the worst.

    And it is only the bare naked reality of cultural artifacts that we accepted unquestioned. Rock 'n' Roll lyrics such as "I Will Follow Him" were only the mild suburban expression, benign sexism.
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    • Posted by 3 months, 2 weeks ago
      Always a thoughtful, rational post. Thank you. Mike.

      Based on you and Khaling, I've decided to put rap into a separate category in my mind, being neither music nor poetry, but some mixing of the two. Within that, like many metal garage bands who wouldn't know a chord progression from a camel's ass, I would put a separate category for unacceptable.
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  • Posted by  $  mminnick 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    Hip Hop is only a symptom of what is gong on in society. Women are degraded and shamed constantly by the music industry bigwig and even little wigs. They are treated as property or even chattels (Pardon me if I used that phrase incorrectly).
    It is not just the Music industry. The Movies are not much better. It is rare to see a leading lady who doesn't have to strip and display herself on screen even when there is no good reason for the nude or sex scene. It is there because the director and producer want it there for the display of the female form.
    Almost all the entertainment business has degenerated into this foul disply. The very few exceptions are over the air TV and one or two Cable channels like Hallmark and ABC Family (and I'm not sure of the latter either.)
    The have been multiple time that I've not seen movies or cable TV shows because of the nudity and sexual content.
    It is depressing. I’ll admit that having two daughters and two granddaughters plus a wife has something to do with my outlook, but filth is filth and you know it when you see it. and most of today’s entertainment is just that -- Filth.
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    • Posted by 3 months, 2 weeks ago
      Frankly, nudity doesn't upset me, but it depends on context. The words, the setting, the situations, that's upsetting. What's the reason for it? It sells. Look at pornography. It is a very big business. What does that tell you? If sales of rather explicit R rated movies were to drop, yo'd see lots less of it. You can say a lot of negative things about the MARVEL movies but they have no nudity and no explicit sex except for one film, "Deadpool" but that is, in actuality a comedy super adventure film and while not for kids, it's relatively mild and migfht be excused.
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    • Posted by  $  MikeMarotta 3 months, 2 weeks ago
      See my comments below. As disgusting as rap lyrics can be, they are only an explicit expression of something we have accepted unquestioned. Historically, some exceptions are known - a medieval town had a woman mayor; that sort of thing. But, generally, the misogyny in rap music is just the crudest expression of opening a door for a lady.
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      • Posted by 3 months, 2 weeks ago
        That's rather a stretch, don't you think?
        It's sort of like blaming an early hominid for the evolution of man. If they only stayed where they were and toughed it out.....
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  • Posted by  $  DrZarkov99 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    I remember Charlton Heston humiliating the board of directors of a big entertainment company by reading the lyrics of one of Ice T's rap ballads out loud at a stockholders' meeting. The stench in the music industry has been around too long, and has only gotten more rotten. The hip hop artists appear to be trying to top each other in just how outrageous their material can be, with not only degrading lyrics about women, but advocating violence against police and whites in general.

    I have the distinct impression this is only a component of the overall strategy to destroy our civil society. Dumbing down education, creating an atmosphere of anger and resentment directed at anyone with a degree of moral fiber as "oppressors," awarding the worst offenders, and condemning good people.
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  • Posted by  $  prof611 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    It's not "rap", it's "crap". And it is ruining my social life. My favorite beach bar has been taken over by a new owner who will not allow his bartenders to play anything but the Sirius station for reggae. This occassionally has some old Marley-style music which I love, but most of the time it features "dance hall", the "new" reggae, which is a version of rap. I avoid going to this bar as much as possible, but since it's on the beach, I am forced to hear its music, since it's loud enough to carry to my favorite beach spot.

    I cannot bear to listen to ANY of this hiphop rap junk, even if the lyrics are not objectionable. The problem is that it's EVERYWHERE YOU GO - even the grocery store!
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  • Posted by bbuckeye 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    Rap certainly is not music, unless you believe that a drum beat alone is music. IMO, music requires a melody, so hip hop barely makes it although it is so repetitive that it defies logic.
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    • Posted by 3 months, 2 weeks ago
      I have heard drum ensembles play music. It requires a talented composer and an equally talented group of percussionists. But by and large you are correct. Western music is comprised of three elements. Melody, harmony, and rhythm.
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  • Posted by jdg 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    Rap doesn't make its target audience violent -- they already are. It just provides them with a way to provoke fights with you and me.

    As far as sexual promiscuity -- that is and should be accepted, by a lot more than just blacks.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    I think that music has not, by and large, amounted
    to much since Gilbert and Sullivan died (not that
    the music itself need ever finally die, but I mean
    the era). But it was some time before it got to be
    as nauseating as "punk rock", etc. (Of course,
    there was Stravinsky; that could be blasphem-
    ous and offensive without words--like an attempt
    to destroy music from within).
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    • Posted by 3 months, 2 weeks ago
      One of these days we're going to have a conversation about that. So, you are of the opinion that the music of Gershwin, Kern, Berlin, etc. doesn't amount to much? There's Copeland, as well as many great composers since G&S. As to Stravinsky -- well, I wish I had you in a music class. You have become "sissy-eared." You need to evolve a bit, but if you like the romantic music of the 1800s (most Objectivists do) Then there are the movie composers, John Williams, Elmer Bernstein, etc.
      Oepratic type musicals such as those by Sondheim, or how about The Phantom of the Opera? Don't throw away the 20th century.
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      • Posted by LibertyBelle 3 months, 2 weeks ago
        Gershwin is all right, but it doesn't excite me all
        that much. Now Berlin is better, I think--I really
        care for "God Bless America". But I like a 4/4
        rhythm, and not swing--not saying that's all they
        wrote. But I think there has been a certain amount of deterioration for a long time. As to
        Stravinsky, don't try to make me throw up, please.
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        • Posted by 3 months, 2 weeks ago
          That's why you live in America. You can voice your opinion, but I don't have to agree. BTW I was just at a G&S performance of "Pinafore" and enjoyed it immensely.
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          • Posted by LibertyBelle 3 months, 2 weeks ago
            I think I remember something in the Google Terms
            about not saying putting content on that was ob-
            jectionable or offensive, so maybe I ought not to
            have made the reference to "throw[ing] up".Rogers
            and Hammerstein was reasonably good, but it
            never excited me like G&S. Though my ab-
            solutely favorite song was not by them--it is
            La Marseillaise. (Not that I favor France over
            the U.S.A., but they do have one h**l of a
            national anthem).






            s
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  • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    One of my strongest criticisms of The Left (and believe me, I have PLENTY!) is their total, unapologetic hypocrisy. As repugnant as this so-called "hip-hop music" is, not only do the Obamas entertain these stinking, low-life pieces of human excrement in OUR White House, they then have the gall to attack Donald Trump because "he said dirty words" 11 years ago!
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  • Posted by  $  tohar1 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    Agree wholeheartedly with your observation of the stinkweed. To me, the vast, vast majority of rap is just overproduced rhythmic chanting. There really is very little musical talent involved in my opinion. I'm a bit "old school" when it comes to music, in that I'd like to hear one or more instruments being played, oftentimes inspiring or creating a longing to perhaps pick up a guitar oneself. I just don't get that from most rap music, and its "Two turntables & a microphone"...a record player is NOT an instrument. I'm not saying it cannot be entertaining if you're into that, but it definitely isn't for me.
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    • Posted by 3 months, 2 weeks ago
      There is hardly a music genre that I don't like. As a result, I can listen to Stan Kenton one day, Frank Zappa the next, Beethoven, after that and Pete Seeger after that. Can't cut it with rap.Just finished listening to Tchaikowski's 6th symphony. The so beautiful, first movement, the heart-rending fourth movement, and it is hard to imagine the same species wrote that and rap.
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      • Posted by  $  tohar1 3 months, 2 weeks ago
        I live by the old saying, "If it sounds good, it is good." when it comes to music. I listen to classical (though not a big fan of opera) blues, hard rock, heavy metal, blues, some pop...even a little country...
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        • Posted by 3 months, 2 weeks ago
          You should try opera in English. Start with a familiar one like Carmen. Better still, The Medium by Gian-Carlo Menotti. He wrote Amahl and The Night Visitors. You might surprise yourself and like it. I often draw the line at heavy metal. Some of those guys play by rote and wouldn't know a good guitar riff if they were hit in the ear by it.
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          • Posted by LibertyBelle 3 months, 2 weeks ago
            In English?--Why not mention something really
            great and wonderful--(and I really do mean it)---
            GILBERT & SULLIVAN?!!!
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            • Posted by 3 months, 2 weeks ago
              That is comic light opera. I adore G&S. Just saw a performance of HMS Pinafore done by a G&S touring group, who are methodically performing each opera from beginning to end, one per year it was great. And the actors stayed in character when taking their bows.
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              • Posted by LibertyBelle 3 months, 2 weeks ago
                I really haven't seen very many of them, due to
                lack of opportunity. Several different versions of
                The Mikado; also I saw H.M.S. Pinafore on stage once; some years ago, my mother had got-
                ten a few on a VCR to show me on a visit home.
                But I learned them mainly from record albums.
                HMS Pinafore is my favorite.
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                • Posted by 3 months, 2 weeks ago
                  A long time ago, the D'Oyly-Carte players filmed The Mikado. I thought I had seen it before. Compared to their performance, filmed on stage as it was performed proved that I had never seen the Mikado. If you can find that film, you will thank me.
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                  • Posted by LibertyBelle 3 months, 2 weeks ago
                    I think I did see it on a school trip in 1966 or 1967
                    (maybe 1968). I had seen it at the Waynesboro
                    High School in 1966. I was more excited by the
                    school performance; there was a sort of smugness
                    in the film that I didn't exactly cotton to.(Not that it wasn't good, but I liked the school perform-
                    ance better, though some of it lacked polish.
                    And no, it wasn't my high school).
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  • Posted by unitedlc 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    When I was in high school (1986-1991) I actually included some of this kind of music to my repertoire. I listened to anything from rock to classic rock to country to pop to hip hop (then called rap). Some of it was lyrically horrific, from the likes of NWA, 2 Live Crew, etc. When I was young, my friends and I saw it as a joke. We laughed when we played it. The lyrics seemed shocking but innocent. Musically, we listened only because of the bass lines that would rattle the world from the subwoofers many of us had in our cars. We truly believed it was all a joke back then, that the musicians made it as a joke. I don't know if that was the case, but I do know that over the decades, hip hop became "serious". They take themselves seriously now. It is no longer a joke. I guess the only good thing about new rap is that you can no longer understand a single word they say. #consonantsmatter
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  • Posted by  $  khalling 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    I have always appreciated Eminem. I will post a link to one of his songs. here are partial lyrics: "You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
    You own it, you better never let it go (go)
    You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
    This opportunity comes once in a lifetime (yo)
    You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
    You own it, you better never let it go (go)
    You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
    This opportunity comes once in a lifetime (yo)
    (You better)

    The soul's escaping, through this hole that is gaping
    This world is mine for the taking
    Make me king, as we move toward a new world order
    A normal life is boring, but superstardom's close to postmortem
    It only grows harder, homie grows hotter
    He blows. It's all over. These hoes is all on him
    Coast to coast shows, he's known as the globetrotter
    Lonely roads, God only knows
    He's grown farther from home, he's no father
    He goes home and barely knows his own daughter
    But hold your nose 'cause here goes the cold water
    His hoes don't want him no more, he's cold product
    They moved on to the next schmoe who flows
    He nose dove and sold nada
    So the soap opera is told and unfolds
    I suppose it's old partner, but the beat goes on"
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    • Posted by 3 months, 2 weeks ago
      OK, I will admit that some older rappers and probably some others I do not know are acceptable, but I'd have to put them into a separate category as being neither poetry nor music.
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    Sounds like the next round of government occupiers, reminiscent of the 60's doper crowd that gave us a pass for the criminally insane, communism and political correctness.

    The pendulum is about to swing the other way...way to far as usual.
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