Evil in the World Today

Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years, 4 months ago to Culture
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The virtue of selfishness presupposes the existence of a self. Julian Jaynes posited that the development of writing enable the creation of interior "voice." In the _Iliad_ warriors spoke to each other of being told by gods or spirits to act. But in the Odyssey, our hero is called "clever" because he is a "liar" who keeps his true motives to himself. As late at the 15th century CE, Joan of Arc thought that she "heard voices" never identifying her motivation as internal. Even today, millions of people have no voice in their heads. They routinize actions from imitation, but have no internal motivation. They have no internal experience.

(Reuters) - So you say all you want to do is to take a few minutes to sit down and think without anyone or anything bugging you? Maybe that is true. But you might be in the minority.

A U.S. study published on Thursday showed that most volunteers who were asked to spend no more than 15 minutes alone in a room doing nothing but sitting and thinking found the task onerous.

"Many people find it difficult to use their own minds to entertain themselves, at least when asked to do it on the spot," said University of Virginia psychology professor Timothy Wilson, who led the study appearing in the journal Science.

Researchers then had adult and college student volunteers do the same thing in their homes, and got the same results. In addition, a third of volunteers cheated by doing things like using a cellphone or listening to music.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/0...

UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA report on the study here:
http://news.virginia.edu/content/doing-s...


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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Aging is the worst medical condition. So many diseases are associated with it. I hope they cure it at some point a few hundred years from now.
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  • Posted by Kova 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I identify with Ayn Rand`s report of her early childhood, her precocious reasoning, at least. How do you suppose her early introspection seemed artificial? I am merely curious to understand your take on this.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    hey, it's a gorgeous, laid-back, friendly town, with
    little tour trains and a lighthouse and evvathang!!! -- j

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  • Posted by johnpe1 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rob, I drank some of that water in St. Augustine,
    and it's gooooooood! (like Jeff Dun-ham's "peanut")

    I recommend it!!! -- j

    p.s. it's just filtered city water, now, after the PC
    folks got ahold of 'em.

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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    To my mind there are two ways to approach intellectual debate:
    1) Illuminate, learn, and teach
    2) Obfuscate, attack and destroy.

    Instead of discussing the ideas of one of humanity's greatest minds as to the intellectual development of children, you fall back on the time- worn technique of obfuscation by misdirection. By your argument, no one can discuss Jesus unless fluent in Aramaic or Aristotle in ancient Greek.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for the insight. As often as I have read Rand's "Introduction to the Objectivist Epistemology" and as much as I value it, I always felt that something was missing. Her supposed introspections from (her very own) childhood seemed artificial - and not applicable to my own inner experience. For me, as an infant and child, concepts were always exceptions: this is not that. Later, about age 8 or 9 (third or fourth grade) when we were given dictionaries, and especially when we had our first science classes, I learned to integrate: an elephant is a mammal; Betelgeuse and Antares are red super giants... But originally, on my own, in my own head, my concepts were not at all what Ayn Rand claimed that hers were.

    Moreover, I believe that individuality is inherent and not everyone does the same thing in the same way.
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  • Posted by Kova 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am not speaking of bears. In fact, I am speaking directly from personal experience. I began thinking cognitively at the age of two (that I can clearly recall) and I did not think in words; I thought in concepts, a habit that has continued until this day. Words are the translation of concept to language expression, and I have always revered the ongoing genius of language development. However, even from the time I was a small child, I thought about many topics for which I did not have words. In fact, I have had to invent new terminology to describe many of these newly developed concepts which have arisen and evolved from various trains of contemplation.

    Translation from concept to word format occurs seemingly without effort, as language is so ingrained and practiced within me...but when I ponder deeply on something, I always revert to the super-efficient and naturally direct venue of concept.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What worries/interests/frightens (I'm not sure which, quite frankly) me more is what happens as we continue to become more productive. It is conceivable that in the near future all that will need to be done to produce for the basic needs of humans to survive will be able to be done by very few. That leaves the things beyond subsistence to be done by the rest of us. What will that world look like, and how will it function?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And as Rod Serling showed in "Kick the Can", so long as you believe, you are, young.

    "Maybe, the fountain of youth isn't a fountain at all. Maybe, it's a way of looking at things - a way of thinking."

    Keep thinking. Stay young!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are some who believe that the whole point of technology is to eventually give humans total leisure, turning them into squishy couch tomatoes. Particularly SciFi authors love to dwell on this scenario. If that is true, than I would agree with the environmental wackos that tech is evil. However, mankind has the option of evolving along with the technology. We have the potential to truly become the masters of the universe -- if we will allow ourselves to become so.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And what about the cave "paintings" which are merely painted outlines of the hands of people. Surely they must have had a concept of "self", otherwise, what would they have called what was left on the cave wall?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    To some degree, yes. And in others, no. Technology itself neither stunts nor enhances, it just is. One could make the argument that radio stunted the story-making aspect, since you were listening passively to others telling the stories instead of making them up yourself.

    Technology is merely a tool that the human mind can use, like any other tool, to enhance our understanding of the universe. Those who allow their mind to atrophy by continuing a passive existence instead of interacting proactively with the universe have merely chosen a specific means by which to sequester themselves - but they would have done so nonetheless. Drugs, alcohol, TV, video-games; they all provide a means of escape. It is more that we don't have to provide more for ourselves that allows us to disconnect from the universe. It wasn't merely the lack of TV and video games that caused those in the US western frontier to be engaged - they had to in order to survive. Today, one doesn't need to hunt for one's food, skin an animal or pick one's own cotton to make clothing, etc.

    Hope you had the happiest of days and have many more to come!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not too humble, I hope.
    To be compared to Paul Harvey? That is quite a compliment. Thank you. If I needed a resume, I would include that in it.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    and, since I retired 5.75 years ago, I've broken 4 bones,
    been hospitalized for eating too much fast food (low
    magnesium), sold my '71 harley fx, bought two more
    bikes, a harley and an old honda ('65 dream), and
    now I'm working on wearing out a subaru baja! -- j

    p.s. Keep Up The Good Work, gee-eye!!! ... and
    remember the fellow who skidded in sideways,
    yelling, "Yee-Haaaa, Whatta Ride!"


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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I second that! At 61 I'm not too sure what I could have done to have lessened the impacts so much, but if I had I wouldn't have enjoyed the ride so much. I guess I could have passed jump school and that jump onto the south beach of Grenada, but how I'd missed that victory after the taste Vietnam (that I got through without a scratch) left in my mouth. The fall from the missile launcher a few years later, Could have passed on, but it really did shape the past 29 years. I've worn out 11 power wheelchairs in that time when my doctor tells me that most guys keep one for 5-8 years - WOW!!! I've bought 8 new vans and trucks - and wore each out before their time so I guess my one M1a1 Body Male type, general issue, deserves to ache in the morning.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    CG, I have always felt like a person inside a body,
    limited by it and enabled by it ... and at 65, I have
    found that I have driven parts of it -- like my lungs
    and my legs -- too hard. they are nearing the end
    of their service lives. makes me love advances in
    bio-mechanical and stem-cell research!!! -- j

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  • Posted by johnpe1 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Herb, I knew that there was a reason in there
    somewhere which made me adore your contributions
    here -- the seasoning of a radio listener who knows
    how to think through things gently, letting them flower
    as they will. like Paul Harvey, the prince of pause,
    radio involves phrasing during which there is time
    for the imagination to flourish. tv and the current
    overstimulated world lacks this phrasing, in my
    humble opinion ... -- j

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  • Posted by Abaco 11 years, 4 months ago
    Well, after coaching my son's soccer team last year (and, ignoraing a bunch of other less-trivial data I have) I can assure you that kids today are not, neurologically, the same as they were when I was a kid. This was a boys soccer team (which is important). These kids are much more scattered. Zero attention span on most of them. About 1/4 of our team had obvious special needs.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    you express a concept with sketches! silly little
    drawings which freeze the ideas on paper, for
    further thought and, maybe, action!!! -- j

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  • Posted by johnpe1 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ron, I watched our dvd of Edison The Man last night,
    after reading through the gulch musings here ... and
    the movie reported that Edison tested 9,000 different
    filaments before finding that carbon-filled, baked
    sewing thread would work. for awhile.

    but pursuing this specific goal with such persistence
    implied that he had a vision which convinced him
    that it was worthwhile. and the idea of enclosing
    the filament in a vacuum came to him separately,
    as he worked on filaments, the movie said.

    for me, my little inventions have come from self-
    guided mental lists like your yellow pad lists -- it's
    a well-proven group problem-solving technique
    which involves listing all of the brainstormed ideas
    and gradually letting them lead to a solution.

    these measures keep me from going negative,
    like Mike implies with the title of this post!!! -- j

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  • Posted by barwick11 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    if I'm going to sit there, I'm going to work on my ideas... I mean, who dreams up multiple ideas at once at the same time and does nothing with them?
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Part of our brains makes us feel like we're inside our bodies. Even ancient cultures knew some drugs reduce that and make us feel separate from our bodies. I wonder if this is different from the concept of self you're describing.
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