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Americans Fight Back - Protesters Block Obama's Buses Transferring Illegals, Force Them to Retreat (Video) | Top Right NewsTop Right News

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 10 months ago to News
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Boiling point. This is why DHS bought all that ammo. Manufactured by the letter O.

Anyone think his threat to use executive orders to "fix" immigration is false. At this rate, if riots erupt, he will declare martial law, suspend what left of the Bill of Rights and rule by fiat. I suspect that this has been his plan all along.


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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How did I get *where*?

    Long before the Mayflower sailed, but after the Norsemen visited, Queen Elisabeth I tried setting up colonies in the New World for the purpose of glass-blowing. The glass-blowers of England were denuding the forests (apparently the Welch coal mines weren't yet producing...) for fuel.

    The colonies couldn't handle the harsh New England winters and returned home.

    When the Pilgrims got here, they found a continent in pretty much the same condition it was in for the past 10 millennia. No roads. No hospitals. No unemployment agencies. No shopping malls. No airports or train terminals.

    The "here" I got to had all of these things, courtesy of those terrible xenophobe racist jolly old Englanders.
    It's disingenuous in the extreme to pretend that illegal alien invaders into our *nation* is the same as the colonization and civilization of a vast, undeveloped continent occupied by static autochthones stuck in the late stone age.

    "Bottom line; I don't want them in my COUNTRY". Get it? An empty wilderness is NOT a "country".

    I was born in this *country*, as were my ancestors for at least 7 generations.
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  • Posted by shivas 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How did you get here? If the Mayflower hadn't sailed, you could be a xenophobe racist right in jolly old England.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do not think it was meant this way but you gave me a good laugh.

    Truth does not matter to these people, they pull the race card whenever a minority is involved in any way when it is to there advantage. Unlike you and I truth has no necessity to the claims they will make.

    You comment shows truth has importance to you always keep in mind it has none to those people willing to take what you have earned and live off it.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Kind of hard to play the race card when its a minority playing the minority card over minorities held in a camp run by minorities. And a significant amount of the protesters are minorities themselves.

    Whom do you play it on, and how?
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We have been having plenty of Star Wars references over the last few days, Susanne, so I will continue them.

    "If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice.”" - Yoda
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  • Posted by RevJay4 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're not alone in your gut feelings, H2. Had that feeling since this occupier of the Oval Office first took office.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I guess you don't live in Phoenix. Illegal aliens violate my rights, endanger my life and livelihood, and threaten my family. They are a drain on our society that knows no limit and they revel in it. They also break a variety of laws including private property rights.

    This stance if exactly why I call myself a Conservative and not an objectivist.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Having been involved in working with people who are here going through the legal process there is a lot of work that goes into getting in and staying in the country. I have sponsored more than one person and worked for a German immigrant who was working on citizenship as well. to say its not "earning" is well just plain uneducated. They do a significant amount of work over years to get in and stay in.

    now for those that come in illegally and with amnesty of some type they are not following the legal process but riding the wave of illegal processes that are being used to get more votes for whatever party does them a favor. That method is not work, but its also not part of the legal process
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No.

    Eliminate the welfare magnet by eliminating the crooked employers as painfully and publicly as possible, then eliminate those who invaded.

    You can welcome them, so long as they stay on YOUR freaking property. The instant their toes touch a public sidewalk, they should be fair game.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Because your parents are "one of us". Because your parents earned your citizenship for you.

    Part of the issue is the conflation of "legal residency" and "citizenship". I happen to agree that just being born here shouldn't grant you the power to influence the form and direction of our society; but it should grant you a modicum of protection for your rights.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    First thought was Starship Troopers.
    Second thought was Sparta, in the "Falkenberg's Legion" series.

    No, I don't think just any slob who can draw breath should have equal standing of citizenship.
    There should be some qualification to determine that you have an interest in and are willing to devote some effort to running and protecting the country. Heinlein's universal public service was one way of achieving it.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Neither humans nor cats are "immoral". Please don't confuse "immoral" with "amoral".

    "A law forbidding murder is not what keeps me from murdering the neighbor who climbs into his hot tub every night and 10 and disturbs my attempts to get to sleep"

    We are different. The laws forbidding murder and their connected punishment have a large influence on preventing me from killing any number of individuals whom I feel need killing.

    "Since most modern Americans don't understand what laws are, what rights are, what morality is - "

    Stop projecting.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm tired of hearing that canard.

    Where do they get the money to pay the rent and make the purchases? Oh, right... jobs they cannot legally have. Or welfare they cannot legally collect.
    Jobs they get by breaking the rules legal citizens are compelled to obey (including identity theft). Welfare they collect through fraud.

    So don't give me that PC horseshit.

    Bottom line; I don't want them in my country. It doesn't matter WHAT the do or don't do, contribute or don't contribute, I, whose home this is, who IS a multi-generational native born citizen, do... not... want... them... here. No matter the process.

    If you feel differently, give me your address; I know any number of bums who hang out in the vestibules at Wal-mart who need homes. I'll send them to squat (scatologically) in your living room. See how you like it. Oh, they'll contribute money... they'll turn in the cans of your pop they drink to the recycling center and give you a tiny cut of the change they get...

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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "many "legal Americans" do the same thing."

    THEY are part of the society. THEY are not invaders come to raid the largess of our society.

    Whether the system is immoral by your definition of morality or not is irrelevant. Our representatives put it in place for the benefit of our countrymen, not parasitic invaders from outside.

    Rights don't exist; they are a convenient fiction used within a society to describe and regulate the interaction of members of said society.

    "Just because other people do not live in such a country does not mean they don't have the same rights."

    Correct; the Bill of Rights neither guarantees nor gives; it *protects* them. But, if you are not a citizen, if you have invaded the country and are therefore not a legal guest, your rights are not protected.

    But, since you think people everywhere should have their rights protected as we do... next time I have a car accident, I'll put it on YOUR insurance. Don't try to tell me that that is a contract between you and your insurance company, and that I'm not covered; I have "rights", and therefore I have an equal right for your insurance company to pay for my accident just as you do.

    The Constitution is a contract between the people of the United States and our government. Third parties not invited.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hey, Fred. Last Viking I knew with that name was a place kicker and inventor of the Nerf football.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Illegal aliens steal from Americans all the time. Virtually every one of them.

    I see no reason to make it easier for people to enter the country.

    "The immigration laws makes it a crime to enter the country by failing to follow an difficult visa process"

    Okay, let's do away with the difficult visa process... NO VISAS AT ALL.

    I'm fine with not letting anyone into the country, at least for the foreseeable future...
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We will have to remain in disagreement on that one, along with Winterwind who agrees with you.

    You can claim all the "rights" you want to, but if they are not recognized under law, they are effectively non-existent. From an "individual protections under the law" standpoint.

    The law enforcement organizations can pick you up and deport you, because you are in criminal violation and deport you.

    I for one support their doing exactly that. I only wish they would fully enforce the existing law instead of the half-assed crap they do now.

    Bottom line for me....If you do not follow the defined immigration process...
    You do not belong here
    I definitely do not want you here
    I want the government to use their powers as defined under the constitution to enforce the laws they have on the books to get you out of here.

    That is my position on it, obviously we differ and will undoubtedly remain differing on that.
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  • Posted by $ FredTheViking 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A right exists whether or not a law respects it. We define rights of men in order to determine if the law is right respecting. We define rights based on what man requires into to make rational decisions about thier lives in order to survive. The basic freedom of movement is a right that may be necessary for one's survivial. A right is something should be respected by the law, but law does not always meet that requirement.

    An illegal Alien is not always a Criminal Alien. A Criminal is a define as a person, who simply fails to respect the right of other individuals. For example, a criminal will kill, steal from, or rape other persons. That is my definition of a criminal. An illegal Alien rarely mets that defintion.

    An Illegal Alien does not voilate the rights of other individuals by simply entering this country. Therefore, it is wrong to define them as criminals. There are a number of laws that defined so called victimless crimes. Of course, a victimless crime is a contradiction in terms, which makes the law problematic. The immigration laws makes it a crime to enter the country by failing to follow an difficult visa process.

    Immigration laws should be reformed to allow people to enter the country legally more easily. Also, the welfare state should be pulled back. As a reform of the law, it could be the case that some benefits should be held back until an immigrate has established thier presence in the country for a longer period of time. For example, let's say you have to pay taxes for 10 years before you qualify for Social Sercurity and Medicare. At the same time, you still need to pay into those programs.

    Of course, these are just techinical details that can be work out. The principle should be if you want to live and work here. You are welcome to do so. The laws should just make sure when one enter the US, one is not a criminial.
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