TVs listening to us...

Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 6 months ago to Technology
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OK, this is the craziest thing I've posted here (hard to imagine that). While reading 1984 my coworker was also reading it. Every couple mornings we'd meet in the office and chat about our thoughts on the book. We enjoyed the concept of camera/screens in people's homes to transmit a contrived message and spy on the occupants. I mentioned that I heard about a year or two back that the newer televisions not only could be used to listen to what is said in the room, but that the technology had been sold under the guise of tailoring advertisement to the audience in each room. This, I really thought, sounded crazy. But, while we were reading the book he happened to talk to his wife about it in their living room after work one night. 15 minutes later, on a bay area tv station on his tv up popped an amateurish advertisement about a 1984 convention down in LA. My buddy and his wife just stared, mouths agape in amazement. He said the ad looked very out of place. A couple nights ago at my place I had to ask my daughter several times to brush her teeth before bed. (I imagine many of you could relate to that struggle). Then, about 15 minutes later when I was going to bed an Oral B advertisement came up on the Golf Channel. Yep...on the Golf Channel. Pretty interesting, huh?


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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 6 months ago
    There's a growing invasion of privacy, and it's somewhat ironic. Just about the time the NSA finds itself under judicial scrutiny for its own practices, commercial industry has become an even more invasive snoop, leaving easier pickings for government agencies. The widespread use of "cloud" services present a greater risk of loss of privacy than nosy TVs. I don't use any cloud services for that very reason.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 7 years, 6 months ago
    Years ago during the height of the cold war Bob Hope made a joke about Russian television. "In Russia everyone has a TV, the only difference is that it watches you." The advent of "Smart TV" sets enables a serious intrusion to personal privacy. The TV watches you, determines your reaction to the programs you are watching and then schedules add inserts that are tailored to what it perceives to be your predilections. This is happening now on the internet. If you look at a product on Amazon, for example, you will soon see a flood of sidebar adds for that and similar products as overlays to your email or other pages. It is real and very difficult to avoid.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 6 months ago
    The Oral B advertisement...maybe. I had Golf Channel on last night and noticed plenty of pharma ads while they were showing Caddyshack (one of my all-time favorites). But, the odd LA convention ad...No, that's too weird.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 6 months ago
      Caddyshack very funny.
      Watching golf as exciting as watching paint peel.
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 6 months ago
        Yeah. I'm weird. Frankly...there's almost nothing left on tv that interests me. The weather report. Traffic report. Golf. Boxing. The occasional California Gold with Huell Howser (RIP)...
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        • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 6 months ago
          Funny you should say that. I am also experiencing a lack of interest in TV. A few History Channel, or Discovery Channel things, I find of interest and some memorable old movies, but by and large it bores me like it never did in the past. Oh, and the weather channels because of our recent hurricane scare.
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          • Posted by $ 7 years, 6 months ago
            The Weather Channel coverage (and other coverage) of the hurricane seemed laughable to us out here on the left coast. My kids, for better or worse, were actually laughing about it. My mom's in Boca. I called her and she said, "Oh, the trees were blowing around and I took a walk." No big deal. But, the coverage was inescapable. I know it was a big storm. But...it appeared to be a chance to glue people to the tube to sell advertising - again.
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            • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 6 months ago
              We get that once a year. But it is scary when it hits for real We've been here for 22 years and we did catch a hurricane tail in '05. It was frightening enough with 65mph gusts thank you very much. Of course, we bravely laughed our not-so-bad laugh afterward. Not so much during it.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 6 months ago
    I own a smart TV, but it is not hooked up to the Internet. I stream programs on this TV from a separate device that does not spy on me. As far as I know, this solves the problem.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 6 months ago
    Whether your experiences are true spying or coincidence doesn't really matter. The very fact that you realize it could happen is frightening enough. We are entering, or probably already in the era of no privacy. If someone wants to know all about you there is no way you can keep them from it. They will know everything from your savings, to your date of birth, to your bust enhancement and circumcision. In the future, there'll be no need for electronics that spy on you as they will be implanted in you at birth. I'm not sure I'd want to be reincarnated.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 6 months ago
      Coincidence is very common. Just take, e.g., the coincidences of reading while television or radio commentators are talking in the background. You will quite often hear the same word, not necessarily short, that your read at the same time that you hear it. Arthur Koestler wrote about coincidence in "The Roots of Coincidence" (1972). I thought it interesting back then, but over 40 years might have changed my mind. I have it somewhere and should find it, might be saleable on Amazon.
      Any of you older guys know what to do with your libraries when you die. Local library does not want them even for book sales. Mostly math, physics, science, literature, etc.?
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  • Posted by NeilMXY 7 years, 6 months ago
    Don't connect your tv to the internet. Or, add more tinfoil to the siding of your house. Actually, it is unnerving to have to decide between a convenience (streaming tv for example) and contrivance.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 6 months ago
    I happened to spend some time with an NSA snoop last year. We had some interesting conversations. Very interesting. It's clear, probably due to my Objectivist bent, that I'm no threat to the state. I think that's why he may have opened up to me a bit. I learned a few things and cherish those chats.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 6 months ago
    The NSA is pervasive. I would vote to simply disband it as its demise would be better than any good it could be in the future
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 7 years, 6 months ago
    You think that's bad, imagine how they link what you look up (and type) on the internet to your life... and use that to skew to your interests.

    And if you think it's just corporate advertising agencies doing it, remember your friends in Washington also use those same agencies...

    Have a nice day. And don't forget to smile for the cameras on your laptop... and cellphone...
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 6 months ago
    I wonder how a "Smart TV" would handle my almost always channel surfing away from O talking on the screen.
    Perhaps I'd see an ad about who to call should the IRS send notice of an audit.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 6 months ago
    Uh, just from a purely technical point: For such magic to work, you would need to get a huge volume of data to a place, collate and analyze it, and then generate the response. Now, they can't even get the Internet connected to 50% of America, how would they be getting the bandwidth to do this dastardly deed, and furthermore, as a government project it is:
    a: Doomed to total failure
    b. To be found 300% over budget by the CBO
    c. Sold to the Clinton Foundation.

    So, I would not worry too much about it, it requires way too much efficiency for the U.S. China...maybe...
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 6 months ago
    I remember a few years back when a couple young men came to my door peddling their home alarm system and service. They were touting how their keypad had a microphone so they could hear what is going on in your house. He reacted to the look on my face when I stepped back. I asked, "Why in the hell would I want that?" "Well..you could turn it off or tape it over or something..." I thought it was some kind of prank. Haha...
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