Trump Promises the Metaphysically Impossible

Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 6 months ago to Philosophy
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Ayn Rand always said that it is not about politics, but about epistemology.

"Trump says he will disprove groping allegations" (Reuters) here:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa...


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  • Posted by Ben_C 7 years, 6 months ago
    What woman would simply sit in an airplane seat and let someone grope them? First class has a little more leg room and wider seat but it is not hidden from the rest of the passengers. I can't image any woman allowing this to happen without screaming or making a giant scene. And where were the flight attendants during this encounter? He may have "hit on her" (my place or yours) but the tale of sexual harassment simply doesn't hold water for me. I don't approve of the alleged behavior but at this point it is alleged, not proven.
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    • Posted by $ Suzanne43 7 years, 6 months ago
      "What woman would simply sit in and airplane seat..." Well, a woman who is being paid to lie.
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      • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 7 years, 6 months ago
        Didn't work out so well for Bill Cosby. I don't see how it could work any better for Donald Trump.

        Alternatively, a woman could be paid to make the whole thing up, I would think.
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      • Posted by scojohnson 7 years, 6 months ago
        She was discredited with her lie, turns out, and I now recall, airline seats didn't have arms that lift up until rather recently (when the airlines started squishing people in and the fatty might need to spill onto the neighbor). The First Class seats had a low and wide fixed armrest, they didn't flip up.

        She's also tied to the Clinton Foundation it looks like.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 6 months ago
      At least not since Ms was launched in 1971. OK, some people (men) were slow to catch on, but it is hard for me to imagine a woman so downtrodden by sexism that she lets this happen and says or does nothing. I have been married twice. Either one (1971; 1977) would have had Trump de-planed, or just thrown him out the Emergency Door herself. Perhaps Democrats are not as feminist as Libertarians.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 6 months ago
    I didn't see the word "disprove" anywhere in the article or headline. The article states, "He said he would make public at some point evidence to dispute the charges." This would be metaphysically possible.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 6 months ago
      The allegations are positive statements and can be shown not to have happened. I am not sure what you mean by metaphysically possible. Metaphysics is a conceptual idea about the fundamental nature of the physical world and does not exist as something in anything but the mind. It is quite possible for trump to find objective evidence that he was not dealing in the accused ways with the women at the times stated.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 6 months ago
      Hillary is a master at propaganda and throwing everything in the kitchen sink so you spend your time defending, while she gets what she wants.

      If there was really something wrong with what he did, why didnt it come out when it happened? Why wait until democratic investigators go searching for dirt and save it up until just before an election. That bothers me enough that I dont care at this point WHAT they propose as Trumps's evildoing. Its probably garbage to take attention off the real issues that Hillary is so weak on.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 6 months ago
    Since the Democrats have nothing to which they can point with pride, they are reduced to personal character assassination. Instead of issues they attack their opponent personally. The sad fact is that it works. Instead of disregarding it, Trump's ego demands that he not only defends, but throws out accusations of his own. Thereby avoiding spending time on real issues that the pumpkin queen cannot defend.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 6 months ago
    Me dino has been wondering if a "Herman Cain" would go off like the well-prepped roadside bomb planted by the Clintonista Crime Cartel.
    Such were old dino's thoughts at least two months before I heard the long-hoarded audio tape of Bad Hair Day as usual putting his blowhard foot in his mouth BUT Eleven. Whole. Years. Ago.
    Read that hoarder said he forgot he had that tape on a shelf somewhere. Believe that? Then me dino would like to interest you in some corporate shares I'd like to sell pertaining to the Brooklyn Bridge.
    But talk about having something to build on day one after Trump won the primary if not when that win became evident. My conspiracy theory speculates all the "accusations" were to be released a tad closer to November (perhaps one day after the other Herman Cain style) but Wikileaks hacked email revelations prompted an urgent need for a big time distraction.
    And so yet has Trump promised the flat out impossible?
    Heck, yeah!
    He's toast. Gone with the wind.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp069...
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  • Posted by scojohnson 7 years, 6 months ago
    Well lets pretend for a moment that no woman has ever lied about something like this for political gain, and lets also pretend that all 4 were not lifelong supporters of the democrat party. It's also suspicious that they mysteriously just dusted off something like this after 18 years or whatever it has been and it miraculously appeared in their records.

    I'm not saying the guy isn't a dog, but the collusion of the media with their favorite candidate to release something for maximum damage at the worst time - should indeed give pause to any American and look at what we have let the progressive/liberals/media become. We no longer have a free press, we have a press that is an extension of one political party. That is no different from Pravda during the Soviet reign over Russia.

    During the same last 48 hour cycle, another 5000 or so emails were released by WikiLeaks, some are pretty damn interesting to read. Hell, they were reviewing news broadcasts and asked for approval before they were 'broadcast'.

    I have a few suspicions:

    1.) The one supposedly in the airplane is just plain homely. She doesn't look like the type of woman Trump would be attracted to, nor do I seriously consider he was flying coach or even first class. He had his own airline within a few years later, I would imagine he would be on a low-buck $500,000 LeerJet at a minimum. We would probably have to go back to 26-27 years old for Donald to find that, and I really want to compare a 26 year old anyone to whatever.

    2.) FLOTUS came out with this 'shook me to my core' bullshit, but 8 years ago she was saying that "A woman that can't take care of her own house, has no place in the White House" when Hillary and Obama were locked in their primary struggle. And then we have a young Barak Obama talking about 'bitches' - so apparently Michelle has "shook me to my core" sensitivity with Trump, but not when the same thing comes out of Obama. You don't get to that level without the wife 1000% involved in the career, she tries to act like the J.Crew housewife, but she's just as much in the fight as Barak is.

    3.) It would seem to be in direct contradiction with what many others are lining up to say in support of Trump, and less than a year ago the Times ran a long story talking about how Trump led the way with equal opportunities in the construction and development business workplace for women and was the first developer in New York to have not only a woman, but many women in places of leadership in his company. There were also a couple of destructive biographies, etc., but none of these found or mentioned this kind of personality flaw? Come on.

    I'm not saying I necessarily support or defend on this issue, but I am saying that we as a country tend to put too much 'validity' into the sad story of someone coming forward that is surrounded by the media with misty-eyed choked-up accounts of what they say happened to them, because the left has turned us into a victim-driven pacifist culture. People lie. That's a fact, and in this situation when the people on the fence have the candidate on the left that is a black-hearted demon of a soul, and the guy on the right that doesn't really fit the mold of a conservative - an emotional bunch of claims are going to pull on the heartstrings of the emotional people in the middle. Are we really to believe that 24 hours after a news story, 4 women suddenly decide to break their 30 years of silence or whatever and jump out within minutes of each other from all different parts of the country and say "Yes ! That man assaulted me!" Bullshit.

    Trump has been constantly on camera with his children that by all accounts are successful and genuinely good kids that could be either more successful in business or politics than their father on their own. What does Hillary have? A known and proven liar of a husband that got hummers in the Oval Office while troops overseas were in harms way and waiting for his decision. One of only 2 Presidents in history to have been Impeached... lets not miss, he survived impeachment proceedings by ONE VOTE that would have removed him from office for misconduct and lying to Congress. Along with Bill, Hillary has a spoiled snot of a child that people that are close to the Clintons simply cannot stand - that is such a "star" of a newscaster that she makes $650,000 a year for a 4 minute story about once a year with about 6 minutes of work experience in her life. Hillary herself has a problem with the truth... on a daily basis, and is known as being one hell of a bitch to work with. She has assaulted Secret Service agents without provocation. She can pull obscure events from memory 40 years ago, but apparently can't remember the answer to any of the questions the FBI asked her about regarding daily events over a 4 year period, 3 years ago. She couldn't remember if she approved the sale of 10% of the US uranium reserves to a Russian company? Really?
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 6 months ago
      Condensed version: 1) The establishment is crooked and has entwined government powers to such a degree that $500 million gets invested in electing Hillary so she can use government to help them
      2) The contributors to her campaign have paid in advance for government access and are now invested and into protecting their investment by saying and doing anything.
      3) Hillary is indeed a liar and manipulator who will do anything to preserve and enhance her power.
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 6 months ago
        Again, realize that the average person tells two important lies a day and that married couples only lie about things that are important.

        Lying is not a Christian Sin. It is a fact of reality. Get over it. Plants do it. Crustaceans do it. Even birds in the trees do it.

        People may have learned purposefull lying as a consequence of the invention of writing.
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      • Posted by scojohnson 7 years, 6 months ago
        Exactly.

        People don't kick down $5M to the Clinton Foundation because $200,000 out of that to HIV needles in Africa is going to make a dent in global poverty. If they gave a hoot about fighting poverty, they would give $5M to a legitimate charity.
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        • Posted by term2 7 years, 6 months ago
          Or just send the $200k directly to buy HIV needles and KEEP the $4.8m for themselves !!! If they send out $5m to the clinton foundation, they are expecting an ROI on that investment- in terms of government favors and access. They really took a chance this time by paying in advance and perhaps losing their investment if she didnt get elected !!
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          • Posted by scojohnson 7 years, 6 months ago
            Precisely.

            I'm not giving up hope, but with the percentage of Sheeple in the US, she will probably win. Slash and Burn is the best thing Trump can do, if she wins, she will be bloodied and with no mandate.

            The elites prefer a do-nothing government, Republican legislature and a Dem president tends to be good for the economy, but this one is about the Supreme Court and what would be a generational attack on liberty.
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            • Posted by term2 7 years, 6 months ago
              I doubt the Trump people will go quietly and just obey her and give her a mandate. She will get the 51% and declare herself queen, but I think the movement Trump gathered will go on to bedevil her at every turn. I certainly will do that.
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              • Posted by scojohnson 7 years, 6 months ago
                As an earlier thread on this forum, when does the tyranny by a majority push the minority to revolt.
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                • Posted by term2 7 years, 6 months ago
                  depends on how easy it is to revolt. I think it starts with passive resistance. Depending on how pervasive the government NSA tools are, outright revolt could happen sooner. Armed resistance in the streets is quite a bit down the line for people on this forum, but you can see its onot far down the line at all for the entitled blacks who riot at the slightest drop in their entitlement.
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                  • Posted by scojohnson 7 years, 6 months ago
                    I don't think any of us would have ever imagined police officers being ambushed or two snot-nosed white kids ambushing, kidnapping, raping and sodomizing a female cop in Missouri. While I would normally agree with you, there is definitely a slippery slope to societal breakdown. Quite frankly, as soon as the rioting expands from the poor neighborhoods to the Republican gun owners' neighborhoods, we'll see the next escalation.

                    Even during the LA riots, the LAPD knew to just let them burn their community down and just seal off the streets to everywhere else. Kind of like fighting a wildfire, you don't have a hope to put it out - you just have to contain it and let the fuel exhaust itself. But if the wildfire gets out of the containment, now you have a whole new problem.
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                    • Posted by term2 7 years, 6 months ago
                      I agree. I live in Las Vegas, and it could easily spread from North Las Vegas and other poor but entitled areas . Lack of feeding the entitled could result in very bad civil rioting. People in general are not geared up to defend against hordes of entitled people trying to get their 'stuff' that they think belongs t them
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                      • Posted by scojohnson 7 years, 6 months ago
                        I don't know about that... I live in a pretty right-wing & affluent northern California neighborhood. We took an informal survey at a block party, 29 of the 31 homes have firearms. Several of us categorize as "many".

                        We had a company party in our Las Vegas office last year, I went down for it, the thing the 30 people on the team there picked to do was a day at the Las Vegas rifle range... Given the cost of Obama-ammo though, having the company buy it for a big outing was quite attractive.
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                        • Posted by term2 7 years, 6 months ago
                          I wouldnt want to be a member of the hordes that attacked your neighborhood. BUT, I suspect your biggest enemies would be the police telling you NOT to shoot, and the courts afterwards finding you guilty of being politically incorrect in some way (racial?)
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 6 months ago
      Here Austin, I get liberal news from NPR (KUT-FM; and we have other "public" radio sites such as KOOP "cooperative radio.) I also get mainstream "conservative" news from KLBJ. (Lyndon Baines Johnson radio: believe it, bubba.)

      It would be easy to parody NPR on this.

      What they say: "Why do so many Republicans hate Donald Trump?"
      What I hear: "The GOP is still a big tent where diversity of opinion brings debate, whereas Democrats all believe the same thing at the same time."

      What they say: "Why are so many Clinton stalwarts hesitant about these allegations? .... Well, Myrna, it is because the allegations are allegations and allegations need to be proved, so many people are curious about these allegations which have not been proved."

      What I hear: "She ought to go to prison, but will probably get away with murder... which she has, so far..."

      During the same last 48 hour cycle, another 5000 or so emails were released by WikiLeaks...
      Talkin' is cheap. People follow like sheep, even though there is nowhere to go..." (Tremeloes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwmov... For "her" read "America." For him/his hear "Clinton."

      BTW when that was release Hillary Rodham had left Youth for Goldwater for Wellesley.
      http://www.wellesley.edu/events/comme...
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 6 months ago
      I have to agree. (See https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post... above.) I mean, sure, Donald Trump would be exactly the kind of guy... but, the real question is was he that guy?.

      Maybe these corporate women who travel First Class are so acculturated to sexism that they they submitted to the groping, and then remained silent for 20 years, even after he declares his candidacy, and runs, and is nominated by his party. Maybe they were victimized by the horn dog Donald "I am Me" Trump. Or maybe the whole thing was scripted.

      I am not a Trump supporter at all. I might not vote for anyone for President. I might vote Communist (an honest vote all things considered). But whatever else, it is plain to me that this is not a news item, but only entertainment masquerading as news.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 6 months ago
        "it is plain to me that this is not a news item,"
        Yes. I became fed up with stories about the election week ago.
        https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
        Since that time, the claims about sexual assault have been repeated non-critically in NYT articles. I do not agree with the way they're treating Trump.

        When Johnson released a video after the second debate about his views on immigration, it seemed like watching something bizarre from ancient history. https://www.facebook.com/govgaryjohns...
        It was almost quaint to hear him talk about an issue related to the fed gov't, as if everyone got the memo except for a few nerds like Johnson: The election his about acting like children mindlessly belittling each other for no reason.

        I am resisting the impulse to follow the election out of morbid fascination. I'm deeply concerned that the nonsense we're seeing is one symptom of the large long-term problems of excessive govt cost/intrusiveness and executive branch overreach.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 6 months ago
    The only thing he could do, and it would take a lot of honest work...if he is honest and telling us the truth...is to point out his where abouts at the times indicated or show reasonable doubt and connect them to hiltery or any one else...seems to me, we would have heard something waaaaay before now if they were true.

    I am still voting for myself...and I believe I already have a running mate lurking on line here somewhere.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 7 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, that's the gist of the thread from a few days ago, at which point does an otherwise peaceful society defend itself against its government? Would they give up their right to keep firearms, or would they surrender those arms and give up any future chance of defending themselves.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 years, 6 months ago
    He has already proved that he is irrelevant, unfortunately for us all, it took him longer than the primaries, and we must all suffer the unbelievable criminal totalitarian mess, Hillary as a result of his incompetence.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 6 months ago
    ... and come to think of it, this would be a problem in epistemology, rather than metaphysics, though it does raise questions for me about the connection between the two...

    One way in mathematics is to show a contradiction. The classical proof to show that the square root of two is irrational works by assuming that it is rational and then disproving that.

    (Mountain/molehill perhaps.)
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