Supreme Court Rules Software Patents Invalid-Without Ever Mentioning Software Once In the Decision

Posted by khalling 10 years, 10 months ago to Technology
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"What this means is that companies like Apple, IBM, Microsoft, Google and others have had the value of their patent portfolios nearly completely erased today. If they wish to remain compliant with Sarbanes Oxley and other laws and regulations of the Securities and Exchange Commission they will need to level with their shareholders and tell them that their patent portfolios have been decimated."

db is on a plane headed to the Atlas Summit to give a talk about Galt as Inventor. When he gets off the plane, this news will greet him. Imagine a MODERN patent system understanding the manufacturing age but not the information age....


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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    your statements are incorrect. It takes years sometimes over a decade to argue getting a patent. It is highly costly and a significant risk on the part of the inventor company. I will agree that multi-nationals can flood the USPTO with applications. Where is your proof that patents do not describe adequately the invention? I think you have bought into the anti-patent propaganda lucky. disappointing
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "independent scholar(s) that do not derive their livelihood from the status quo..."
    what the hell does that even mean? if you are an expert in patent law you are an expert in patent law. do you mean a scholar is only valid if they are not a patent attorney? or if they are a professor? ok, professor Crouch at Patently-O. He is not as negative as we are on this, but he will point out the absurdity of the ruling.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    go to intellectual property code. Read Rules 101, 102, 103 and section 112. If you read the opinion you will see it directly contradicts law and prior SCOTUS rulings. In specific, Bilski where the court ruled business method patents are valid. This patent covered a method for Escrow. It was much desired and a game changer making Alice an internationally recognized company. CLS copied the method. Looters, really.
    Thomas and Scalia countered their own arguments in Bilski! that's how absurd they have gotten on these cases. The law was clear. They have moved philosophically in a direction to limit what is patent able because it doesn't feel right. Well it is not their job to write laws-only interpret them. When this all settles, the court will come back likely and say "we didn't mean that." but in the meantime, the USPTO examiners will cite Alice and reject most software applications. The cost for applying has just doubled or tripled and the chances of a grant have gone down significantly. Hide your ideas.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    db not only studied the case in depth he knows the CEO and inventor of Alice. I am fine with other perspectives as long as they are objective and based on reason. InfoWorld reported incorrectly on the case. They are opinion driven not based on law or an understanding of what an invention is.
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  • Posted by HRoberts3 10 years, 10 months ago
    You can now see why John Galt did NOT apply to patent his new motor. This SCOTUS decision is merely the anti-mind part of the "Anti-Industrial Revolution."
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 10 months ago
    This is why Supreme Court justices should NOT have lifetime appointments.
    If any inventor was doubting about shrugging, this should convince them.
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 10 months ago
    when I was growing up I thought the supreme court was very well educated people in the field of law, boy was I ever fooled!
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  • Posted by Lucky 10 years, 10 months ago
    With respect, I suggest the standpoint taken here by kh is wrong, that the US court system is impartial. Not so, rulings are random but have biases not towards legal argument but weight of money, and nation of origin of the protagonists.
    Another view, the ruling is an understandable reaction to the permitted misuse of patent/intellectual property law which has encouraged mass creation of patents without technical merit and the trading in them, patents which do not describe invention but purportedly predict an invention the patent owner can leech off, a system which does not protect inventors but makes big corporates employ masses of lawyers.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    citation? I'd prefer to validate the objectiveness myself.

    On its face, a 9-0 decision, with the likes of Thomas and Scalia concurring, doesn't seem to me that they got the law wrong. These are two strong private property advocates.
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  • Posted by Solver 10 years, 10 months ago
    Nine of the most learned humans that know more about what other humans need than the mere humans that need it.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Please provide citation of independent scholar(s) that do not derive their livelihood from the status quo and I'll be happy to add that to my analysis. The article linked in the heading is certainly from a biased source.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I understand your passion in this area, it is your life's work. However, I think this deserves perspective from other views. As I said, a different perspective might provide a different perspective.

    I don't know the particulars of the case. What I read is that the "innovation" existed regardless of the computer and that the addition of the computer did not then create an innovation that would be deemed "patentable." If true, then they got it right.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    from a patent scholar:

    "You say: “It should make people think twice about trying to patent obvious or non-novel things.”

    That wasn’t what the case is about. This case is not about patenting things that are known or obvious. This case was about whether despite something being novel and non-obvious it is still nevertheless patent ineligible. That is the only question under 35 USC 101 to ask and answer. The Supreme Court is clearly conflating 101 with 102/103. That is in direct violation of the requirements of the Patent Statute. So you can celebrate the decision, but the decision is clearly and unambiguously contrary to the law. Of course, at the end of the day the Supreme Court gets the final say, but that doesn’t mean they are right. So now we have a mess. They say one thing and the law says another thing. Under our system of government the law is supposed to be primary unless it is unconstitutional. Since the Supreme Court has not declared the Patent Act unconstitutional it is their duty under our system of government to correctly interpret Acts of Congress. Today they failed. They also failed in Mayo and Myriad as well."
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The writer from Info world does not understand inventions which are patentable. Here is a simple litmus test. Erase all of the software on your computer robbie. Then answer this comment I am writing to you. The sheer ignorance and arrogance of these idiots stuns me
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    they simply do not understand how claims are written, or the underlying science(Myriad, Mayo) or even their own decisions! This decision has language that directly contradicts Bilski (a previous decision). Patent law is highly complex, it is one reason why there is a separate court to hear patent law cases. The small inventor was just given the boot AGAIN! A Google or Apple or Samsung-they can afford to spend years arguing for a patent. Most independent inventors cannot.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 10 months ago
    Perhaps a different perspective will provide a different perspective.

    From InfoWorld - a software industry publication

    The U.S. Supreme Court delivered its much-anticipated decision in the case of Alice v. CLS today. The case involved an Australian company attempting to enforce patents on software managing risk mitigation in financial transactions; CLS Bank sought a court ruling that the patents were not enforceable. The first court ruled Alice's patents invalid; the Federal Circuit Appeals court reversed that decision; and then the same court, in an en banc hearing, re-ruled that the patents were invalid. The Supreme Court today upheld that ruling.

    This is great news for America's software industry: It just became much harder to prove a software patent is valid. In affirming the lower court's en banc decision, the Supreme Court confirmed its previously-devised approach to such matters. It divided the problem into two parts:
    ◾Is there something Alice is doing that would be patentable without a computer being involved?
    ◾Does the involvement of a computer transform anything into a patentable subject?

    In this case, the answer to both questions was "no." While, characteristically, the court has avoided straying into larger matters (such as the general applicability of software patents), What it did say helps tremendously. First, the court said:

    Merely requiring generic computer implementation fails to transform that abstract idea into a patent-eligible invention.

    In other words, just slapping a phrase like "a computer that..." in front of something that's not patentable does not magically make it patentable. Secondly, the court said that making it sound all technical is not a magical talisman unlocking patentability.

    Read more at: http://www.infoworld.com/t/technology-bu...
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  • Posted by lrbeggs 10 years, 10 months ago
    I am stunned to the point of pain. How is this travesty possible? All nine? Integrity is lost.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Much like the government guy in charge of patent decisions in PoJ. (can't remember his name!) Abused his power and was nothing but a crony. People in high government positions who have NO place deciding things that are over their heads. But they wouldn't DARE admit it's over their heads. Where's the integrity?
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think I was unclear. The boffins had _begun_ the discussion on how to move forward. And, since the Wizard is there, WHETHER to move forward.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    sorry. the lay stuff which is not Obama admin spin will come a little later. This is fresh off the press and scholars are studying the nonsensical decision to determine how to move forward. The Justices are just not scientific minds. and certainly not well versed in patent law.
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 10 months ago
    I just read the first 2 paragraphs of the article to a bunch of medical-equipment boffins and there was a short, but significant, silence - and then much technical conversation which I had no hope of understanding.
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