11

Shrug or not to Shrug? Entirely my business and my choice.

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 8 months ago to Culture
39 comments | Share | Best of... | Flag

I get REAL tired of hearing the exhausting IF/THEN argument given by DT supporters, as-if DT is that much better than HC and not just a different, less filthy side of a coin thats been resting HC side down for 30+ years. The irritation is worse when that sentiment is bestowed on me here in the Gulch.

What is to shrug if its not to reject what government offers, let the damn thing burn back to how we found it, let those making the necrotic decision suffer the end-results of their own stupidity and to take care of ones self until its time to rebuild properly?

I've done more than my part in the years I've lived (commentary, radio, books, I raised my kids with respect for themselves and the others via the Constitution). If people are too damn stupid (not ignorant) to see that they are weaving their own noose then they more than have the right to commit national suicide.

This election, I shrug.

Whiskey Six - Watch it all Burn
WARNING: this is hard rock/metal music whose chorus, not the entire song, sums up how I feel this year.
https://youtu.be/TAARknUCzwA


All Comments

  • Posted by rbroberg 9 years, 8 months ago
    YES!
    Hillary is corrupt policy.
    Trump is corrupt personality.
    Both are corrupt on promises.
    Neither have a good purpose.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by Owlsrayne 9 years, 8 months ago
    I will vote in November. I internet search about the Electoral College and found out that who makes up the College got me very worried about this election. If Hillary could buy off the Electors it would make her Prez. I rather the Prez be elected by Popular vote instead by electors and get rid of the 12th Amendment which created the Elector College.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In the context he was asked I'm not sure I would have done better, honestly. He could have been asked "How do you feel about the recent Tblisi pro-genocide declaration?" (yes, there really was one, and if you can honestly tell what it was about without looking it up, then you should run for president as well...)

    If you'd rather have Clinton or Trump in the white house, that's your right and decision, but for me, I would rather have someone who, once told what they were referring to, give a solid, knowledgeable answer (which he did) than either of the two monoparty candidates who, if elected, will mean the end of our country and what it stands for.

    People are indoctrinated, for their pseudo-news infotainment, to watch and agree with mindless bobbleheads spewing approved propaganda from any of the networks and their subsidiaries... It's no wonder we have two of them as the pre-determined presidential candidates, and that anything outside the "Approved Duo" will get shot down.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "But then other than Cruz and Carly I don't recall who else did either."

    And that is the greatest tragedy of this election. No one cares about the Constitution and that its entire purpose is to protect natural rights - including the two major candidates vying for the highest honor in this land despite the fact that their primary Oath of Office states that they pledge to uphold the Constitution, defend, and protect it. How can they defend and protect something they won't even talk about?
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by Bethesda-gal 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No B-man, I can't say that I have heard him mention the Constitution. But then other than Cruz and Carly I don't recall who else did either.
    Still, its mostly a binary choice at this point. Gary Johnson is going backwards. So between HRC and DT, I'll go with the one who has signed the front of paychecks his whole career. :)
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Have you heard him mention it even once in a public speech? One doesn't have to understand everything about it to revere it and hold it as the source of freedom and law in this land. But to not even mention it in public speeches and to get angry and incite your followers when a defeated political opponent tells voters to support someone who will uphold the Constitution?

    Yes, I agree that the lawyers and judges have done much to undermine the original intent of the Constitution. They flatly ignore the "enumerated powers" portion of the Constitution and justify it using the progressive expansion of government.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by a59430802sojourner 9 years, 8 months ago
    I have shrugged as far as i can. I would be very happy to shrug further, if there was a place to shrug, like Gault's Gulch! However, there is only one way i can see of hopefully preventing MY demise is to vote for DT.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by Bethesda-gal 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't know that Trump doesn't care about the Constitution as much as he just don't know it like an attorney or a professional politician might. (Too many of them don't also)
    He'll leave the laws to advisors to tell him what he can or can't do I expect and he'll get the businesses of the country rolling again. I think Trump, like many Americans, feel that those who 'know' the Constitution are lawyers and they are the ones who have helped to ruin this country.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by Bethesda-gal 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, but then just a sentence or two later he categorically said 'you can't take any options off the table'. I think he realized his booboo. He has frequently been critical of telegraphing military plans and didn't mean to fall into that.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by term2 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. Defense would be highest priority. Cheapest defense is hiding in plain sight. But it's hard to do that and live a reasonable life without attracting attention
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump pretty much had to say that because of all the "you can't trust him with the button" ads. The chances of us actually needing to use first strike nuclear weapons is very low.

    In general Trump is against telling the opposition what is and is not willing to do.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by Bethesda-gal 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, I have thought about it.
    We're not preppers, but I think about it frequently. And imo you paint a far too rosy view. Venezuela is mild to what would happen if the U.S. imploded. There would be no more 'good cop' in the entire world ! Can you say "caliphate" ? With no military that could stop it ? Plus, a real implosion also means no infrustructure - power, water, gas pumps, grocery stores. It will be post- Apocalyptic without an apocolypse. So unless the 1% hasvtheir own self-sustaining reinforced castle village with weapons amassed beyond imagination, even they will not escape. That's why A.S. is a terrific fictional vehicle, but unless John Galt can discover the cloaking technology to keep it secret, none of us will escape unscathed.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 8 months ago
    I heard some of it on my radio, slept through some
    of it. One dangerous thing I heard from Trump,is his
    saying he would not use a first strike (with, I be-
    lieve, nuclear weapons). I would never say that as
    president. Even if I weren't going to do it, I'd let the enemy wonder.--But we're going to get stuck
    with one of those two, the only choice is which
    one.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by gcarl615 9 years, 8 months ago
    I have been wrestling with this question for a while now. IF I vote it will for Trump only because he is not Killary. I believe this the last chance for this nation and constitution to redeem itself and reach the full potential it was founded on. I know this maybe silly but I just cannot totally give up on the whole thing...yet.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by term2 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Its a pretty crooked system if you ask me. Trump literally hijacked the republican party for his own brand of anti-establishment-ism. The repubs hated him for it, and now the media hates him. I hope he wins and we get the system to be a little more fair. Sanders got screwed too, but the stupid idiot stuck with the democrats when he should have gone third party
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by lrshultis 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hillary did not do it. It was done long ago by both parties agreeing on how the debates would keep other parties from getting their messages out. They agree that the USA has a two party system and any other political ideas are not to be nationally known. So they thought that setting the bar at 15% would keep others out but did not work when Ross Perot ran circa 1992.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by term2 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good plan. Utah might be like going back to a more freedom oriented time. Texas MIGHT be good too. They did elect Cruz who can at least spell CONSTITUTION.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I did the same thing in 1989 moving to Phoenix from LA. Phoenix was a free market delight at that time, at least in comparison to LA. I left AZ for a long term consulting engagement in 1991. By the time I retiurned in 1999, it had been infiltrated and no longer resembled the place I had enjoyed.
    I have been considering a road trip to rural Utah this winter to consider its long term suitability for residence.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by $ TomB666 9 years, 8 months ago
    I hear you! Some of us are like Dagny though, trying to find a way to salvage something to rebuild on. It's probably a lost cause.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by term2 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I left CA a long time ago. I came to Nevada, which "used" to be more like the wild west. Now its gotten much more socialistic, and I am indeed looking around for other places. Utah is close to here and although its run by Mormons, I could fit in there better than I can here now.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If $15 minwage comes lots of businesses will break the law. If employees are socialist shills they will go jobless because businesses will blackball them. They will never work again and will likely blame greedy businesses. Law breaking will overwhelm the feds and the states will not go along except in socialist areas : DC, NY, CA. If you are doing business there, you should already be setting up business elsewhere. Don't just stand there and let the statists run over you and steal your assets. Leave it as you found it.
    Reply | Permalink  
  • Posted by term2 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are definitely things I DONT like about Trump. His idea of import tariffs to discourage importation from china is a bad idea, which I think he never would get through congress anyway and therefore just discount it. I DO think he will get better two-way trade deals with these countries however.

    Trump does want to reduce corporate income taxes. He might actually get that through, which will help business a lot. He probably also will repatriate the money our businesses have out of the country by offering "deals".

    The word "constitution" seems to be lost on the american people, except when used to guarantee black "rights". Not much we can do about that.

    I do think that Trump will be more aggressive on cutting spending. He does that every day in his business and it would carry over to government I think.

    Cruz is a constitutionalist, and thats good. I hope he can influence things in the government in the future. He just doesnt have what it takes to be president, though, at least in my humble opinion at this time in our country.
    Reply | Permalink  

  • Comment hidden. Undo