Very scary election. When there is so much media negativity towards a candidate, I think that's an indication they are just trying to protect some hidden agenda. So I am voting for trump - the only one standing up to the establishment

Well, it also means you have no good facts to make a decision, it is all emotional based on hearsay and rumor, and people like Clinton adding more layers of lies and deciet are just that much worse...showing she isn't fit from an ethical perspective. She clearly places herself above the people or the country.

I dont think ANY of our presidential candidates were perfect, at least during my lifetime. Some are worse than others, and Hillary is by far the most crooked and dependent on using the government for her crony purposes- at OUR expense.
The establishment hates Trump and says anything they can to disparage him. That includes almost all of the media. I find THAT more scary.

Ok, I just get put off when I see him start ranting, like he did about the newspapers and he drifts away on it for 5 mins, I find that kind of scary... as much as the Beasts "Vast Right Wing.."

Perhaps the perception of instability is grounded more in Hillary propaganda than in fact. Actually listening to trumps speeches reveals pretty consistent stances on issues

Yes, and yet no one seems to want to just deal with the facts, and also find a solution that will serve this issue and not an agenda..so off to the Wizard we will go...

Great! We either get a criminal who has lied under oath for the last 40 years or so, or a person who seems about as stable as Stalin. What a choice. It almost seems like someone has foisted this on us, but that would be a conspiracy theory wouldn't it.

That said, we are going to get EITHER Trump or Hillary. I think the choice is clear for this election. In the meantime, I think Trump will at least speak his mind and bring up things that need to be aired. Hillary will just engage in advanced pay for play cronyism, which we do NOT need. I do think we need to control our borders better. Other countries (at least Canada and Australia) wont even let you in for a visit if you have a DUI. Here we allow in 10,000 Syrian refugees of dubious character and past history. Germany had an uncontrolled border, let in 1M Syrian refugees, and suffers major terror attacks and violence as a result. You may not like his rhetoric, but he is right on immigration.

"a mushy border, that's what the politicos have created today."
I know. We have a board where we turn and look the other way.

Yes. Someone must want that old computer, esp considering nickursis's link.
You could ask the Madison Science Museum. They're on the top floor of the MATC building downtown. They opened last year. Their director said they're looking for new exhibits, which includes historical equipment. They're also eager to find people to help build and set up exhibits. But they're happy to take old equipment. You could ask if they're taking vintage computers. https://madisonsciencemuseum.org/cont...

If that doesn't work, you could contact me here: http://fourlakestechnology.com/contac...
I could ping my network. Maybe we could mention it in the IEEE Madison newsletter.

CG, my point was that you cannot have an open boarder to hire whoever you want, and then on the other hand a closed border to "prevent an invading army". The army, if it has 2oz of common sense, comes in as workers, and then gets together and does it's thing. You either have a secure border, or not, there is no way to have a mushy border, that's what the politicos have created today.

"Army just happened to not "declare" themselves?"
When people characterize something that's not a state-sponsored armed conflict as "war", it's usually an excuse to expand gov't power.

And if that Army just happened to not "declare" themselves? Usually they are know as "terrorists", but get enough, and you can have an "army".

Doc, you are missing the fact, the money writes the agreements, the poltico puppets do as they are told. Part of theirs great big corrupt country we now have...

I have thought that too, though in the interview Weld sounded good, however, his history in Mass is not stellar, and you are indeed correct, the CC thing is just another trump card to play.

I agree 100% Herb...:)

May want to check into the value of it, there is a big market in "ancient computers" if you have it in good shape and bonus if you have any materials. Here: 1500-3000 depending on condition:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/altai...

Does 'CircuitGuy' indicate any electrical engineering or computer back ground, I am getting old and looking for someone or a computer club to take my old Altair 8800 off my hands who can just stop by and take it. You are only 50 or so miles away, if you are still in Madison, from me down here on Geneva Lake in Walworth county. Any idea on how to find someone to give it away to?

"There is no need for all the phony lip service. "
It's like visiting a company where they carry on about how everyone there is a team player, no infighting here. If I hear that once, maybe it's a fluke. If it's a mantra, that's a sign people do not believe in the company.

"a way for busybodies to gauge who is a god worshiper or not "
Exactly.

Good in Mexico and talking to other leaders, but then returns to USA and goes into his authoritarian crap again. Both he and Clinton are showing some kind of mild psychopathy but of the pretended innocuous kind where the violence would come when they don't get their way after being elected POTUS. Can people be forced to be patriotic by being made to take part in oaths of allegiance, giant flag ceremonies, national anthems, and other feel good activities that are considered as gauges to whether one is patriotic or not. A patriot sees that his country is good and worth working to keep. There is no need for all the phony lip service. The lack of patriotism started to accelerate back in the 1800s when socialists worked to introduce an oath of allegiance into schools followed by United States flags. It has been down hill since then. The attempt to instill religion by prayers or other religious references in many sports and other gatherings will not get a more religious group of citizens. It is just a way for busybodies to gauge who is a god worshiper or not and a reason to ridicule the ones who do not believe whatever is the current majorities belief system.

And seconly, trade agreements should be between individuals (or individual businesses) as much as possible. Sometimes however we have the power to influence an authoritarian regime to loosen their grip on an economy with larger agreements. That is when they would be justified.

"The people" have no right to prevent me from hiring anyone I want for a position, regardless of national origin. That is what open employment borders means.

Closed for security would be to prevent an invading army, for instance.

How do you have borders that are open for employment, but closed for security? That sounds like it would require "extreme vetting" of anyone seeking admittance. A guest worker program with complete transparency would solve most of the issues with the currently undocumented, since there's a definite need for the labor.

Trade policy should involve individual countries instead of cumbersome multiparty agreements written up by big multinational firms. The U.S. can be more generous with small countries and tougher with big ones when the deals are made one on one, and the unique nature of the relationship will be on firmer ground without dealing with global committees.

That does sound like a problem. I'll admit I'm not an expert on TPP, I'm going with the opinions of friends whose views I typically trust. Id say it should be rejected I'm its current form.