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-one year of probation and a $500 fine.
-a previously convicted felon was sentenced to a suspended five-year prison term and two years of probation
-13 counts of voter fraud, making him the worst duplicate voter in state history - suspended three-year prison sentence, five years’ probation, 300 hours of community service, and a $5,000 fine.
Should this be a serious crime or not?
Politicians and their sheeple are rarely if ever punished for their lies to the people who are supposed to be sovereign over government.
Its a felony to lie to a federal agent.
Shouldn't it be a felony for a politician to lie to get elected or to hide her unethical, sometimes traitorous acts after election (or appointment)? Shouldn't part of that punishment be to disqualify them from public office and from involvement in any way from government affairs for life including but not limited to loss of the right to vote?
It would be in my book.
I don't think any kind of outside intervention is necessary. Her own personal health problems are doing her in.
If she dies on her own, we would wind up with her running mate, who is pretty much a committed socialist too.
I think that she will probably win. The only chance that she will not is if the polls reflect a bias of conservatives being asked less often/ being less willing to be surveyed. If that is the case, then there might be enough secret voters to tip the scales, even if a thumb is on it.
Jan
Maybe if it was proven that she put out a hit on one of her detractors. Maybe that would do it, but she would deny and deny until november and then she would never be convicted.
The only actual solutions he has proposed are proven failures in the past (tariffs, flat taxes, subsidies, a wall, etc), and the rest of him is just a cult of personality. It's the same thing as what happened in 2008 with Obama. Instead of "hope and change" it's "courage and resolve." What do any of those actually mean? Whatever the particular audience wants them to mean.
He has run a campaign of fear (mostly of foreigners), anger, and ignorance. The majority of the things that he is correct on are only the most basic things that no serious candidate ever gets wrong. To me that isn't much to brag about.
He is quite possibly the worst candidate ever to run for a major party, certainly in recent history, and he is absolutely running the worst campaign in recent history.
What I meant is that Trump is right in identifying whats wrong in the current system. So was Sanders. I dont really agree with either of them as to the solutions presented so far.
BUT, what we need is someone to tell us when the emperor has no clothes. THEN solutions can be investigated with the congress and the best ones implemented. No presidential candidate is going to be up to speed as to the proper solutions on all the issues until they have been president for at least a short bit.
Look at Hillary's $15 and hour minimum wage- its ridiculous and will definitely result in a 20% reduction in the workforce at my small business for example. No question about it.
Trump is saying we are being hurt by trade from China. He is right about that. Its a one way street right now. But putting tariffs on trade wouldnt do a damn thing, and he knows it. But he is telling the Chinese to open up THEIR markets to us in no uncertain terms. Its a negotiating tactic.
As to immigration from south america, its already going the other way !! Wall isnt even needed, but IF you have a border, then it should be regulated. Otherwise open the border. Thats all he is saying.
As to Muslims, I have to agree that at the current time, given islam is big into "kill the infidels", we have a big problem letting muslims into America. Look at what happened in Germany. They let in millions of them, and they have violence and terrorism as a result. I dont want that here until we can figure a way to insure that the people we let in share our basic values. Thats all Trump said too.
The media hates him and pound on him constantly, all the time giving Hillary a free pass on all the crap she has done. If its going to be Hillary OR Trump who is ultimately elected, I cant see how anyone can choose Hillary.
I think Johnson has a chance. We will see in November.
indeed afraid of what he is bringing up, and they should be. The system is crooked, led by Hillary and her "speaking engagement fees". It IS pay for play.
States with voter ID will definitely be targets of aggressive hacking, aimed at changing votes and/or simply inflating numbers. Looking at several past elections, the latter is the reason vote totals in some locations were more than the number of legally registered voters.
States like Oklahoma are harder to defraud, since voter ID is required, and the ballot is executed on paper before being scanned in. Having a paper trail makes it possible to contest questionable results.
The good news is she apparently has Parkinson's, so Kaine will be running the country.
Just like Barry's first term...
In a way, I'm fortunate to have been born in a time when there still was the American experiment. If the left wins and the country, which has already fallen apart, burns to ashes, at least I won't be here to see it.
In fact if truth were known, I would bet Obama stole the election as well.
The question is, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT!
I think Clinton will win because her ideas are the ones that most people think are tolerable. Trump's ideas are popular with a small segment and offensive to more than half the people. In my lifetime I've seen this Long Tail Phenomenon take hold. Not long ago a store shelf only held space for products that most people found acceptable. There were a few TV channels that ran programming acceptable to a broad audience. It's completely shifted. Now I can buy products or TV shows that appeal to only a few people in each market, not enough to justify shelf space or airwaves, but more than enough to sell online. We've gotten used to not having to pick the kind-of-sort-of tolerable option b/c there are only two options. That's what we have in national politics though.
I'd like to think Gary Johnson is right that the US is predominately moderate libertarian but doesn't know it. But I see a fraction of people wanting Jill Stein, a fraction wanting Johnson, and an equally small fraction wanting Trump. But we don't get to choose down the long tail. So we get kind-of-sort-of-okay-I-guess.
The libertarians would be preferable by far, but they have NO chance to get votes, particularly with the buffoon Johnson out there giggling and laughing at his town hall appearances.
Except for the rigged system, Sanders would have been the democratic candidate, and probably won the election. This is a sad state of affairs- a true evil socialist nearly winning presidency of the once great country.
I agree with Trump that we need to make america great AGAIN, cause its fallen a LOT. I think he can slow down the demise of the USA, but certainly not stop it intellectually. Given it will be Hillary OR Trump, I choose trump. Third parties have no shot at all.
This is true in the world of politicians and their favors, but the average person is not at all attracted to the idea of her being president. She's just the intersection of whats kind-of-okay to half the population.
"particularly with the buffoon Johnson out there giggling and laughing at his town hall appearances."
I find the way the pitch of his voice changes grating, but I tell myself this is a non-expert politician. He's not good at being kind-of-sort-of okay to half the population. Maybe that means he can't win. I still hope for some kind of scandal or other surprise that somehow leads to him being president.
"Except for the rigged system, Sanders would have been the democratic candidate"
His supporters certainly claim that, but my thought is most Democrats are moderates. I'm sort-of in this group. I say if we're not going go down a path of reducing gov't intrusiveness and spending, let's at least have gov't be responsible and stable. This leads us to support Clinton, but we're not as vocal as Sanders supporters.
"I agree with Trump that we need to make america great AGAIN, cause its fallen a LOT."
This line could mean anything to anyone. If I believed it, I would think it mean make the fed gov't small again. It can mean anything. It means nothing to me because I reject the premise that America is not great. Gov't got bigger in the last 100 years, but not so much as most other industrialized countries. Many new inventions that drive the world economy come from America. Violent crime, bigotry, lack of opportunity, difficulty in getting out dissenting ideas--- they're all in a rapid decline. America kicks ass. So many people in the world live in places where opportunities are rare and they're afraid to criticize the gov't. Here a poor person can get an honest job with job training, make more money, pay lower taxes than in many other countries, and condemn gov't officials without fear. It's just amazingly good. It needs to keep improving, and that comes from positive action, not whining about its failings. When I talk about the country technically, I call it United States. America is a nickname that to me means the greatness.
Manufacturing is dead here because of regulations, taxes, paperwork requirements, and competition from countries like china. Not to mention liability fears.
Unless you have government connections now, its very hard to really get anywhere. Cronyism is everywhere and getting worse with the posterchild Hillary.
America might "kick ass" relative to some countries, but certainly not all. Medical care is not as good here as many other countries. We can criticize the government, but look what happened to Trump when he threatened the crooked establishment. I predict no one will ever try that again. He wasted his $50 million, but I do think he really wanted to make america great again in a lot of areas.
There is so much hatred of Trump for battling the establishment that he will never make it.
If that always occurs, why this time more than any
other?
Accordingly, while capitalists were busily attending to wealth creation and "stuff" acquisition, Marxists were busy infiltrating their schools.
There is lots of talk of her health, now. That's irrelevant too. People need to understand that what's really desired on this is just a human place-holder who will cowtow to the special interests. She could be very, very ill and still serve her purpose for them. And, I wish her no ill health. I hope she's fine.