An Open Letter to the Galt's Gulch Community

Posted by mminnick 7 years, 8 months ago to The Gulch: General
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I have been a member for several years now and have noticed, to my dismay, a growing tendency by one or many to set comments and posts made by others to zero. It is not so much the setting to zero that bothers me it’s the fact that they never post a reason comment or justification for having done so. They simply do -1 and set it to zero.
Speaking bluntly if you don’t have enough nerve to state why you’re decrementing someone’s comment don’t do it. If you dislike the common enough, thank it is asinine, or has absolutely no redeeming merit at all then say so and decrement. In fairness I also think that if you’re going to do a +1 you should also put a comment in explaining why. This is not as critical an issue as adding a comment for a decrement.
There are many posts and comments that I disagree with, some quite strongly. If my memory serves me correctly I don’t believe I have ever decremented a single comment or post. If I don’t like it I generally explain why. Even then I don’t decrement. I do know that decrementing is a time-honored tradition in the Gulch but I do think it’s time that a little common courtesy and respect is shown even if you don’t agree with the posting.
I’m almost, but not quite, to the point that I would like to see this automatically enforced. There are ways to do this via software as I’m sure you all know. At the very least I would vote for having the name of the responsible individual placed in a comment attached to the post. This annotation would be a permanent addition to the posting.
Michael G Minnick (a.k.a. MMinnick)


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  • Posted by BrettRocketSci 7 years, 8 months ago
    Thanks for your prompt for thought and discussion. As someone who has made an effort to study the science (and art) of online media and human behavior, I believe you are suffering from the symptom of unreasonable expectations. The fact is, most people who read or listen to something on the web don't provide any feedback. For the 1% or so who do, most look for the easiest and quickest option. A single click is a whole lot easier than typing anything, so that's what you are going to get most often. Respectfully, I think you need to decide what threshold of feedback you want to set because it will drive how much you get. We could move to higher thresholds (or higher IT infrastructure requirements) but that will cause less feedback.
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  • Posted by edweaver 7 years, 8 months ago
    I've noticed some get voted down more often than others and while it would be nice to know why a down vote happens, it doesn't bother me. I upvote comments that I think make a good point but don't always have time to comment. It works if people don't take downvotes personal.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 8 months ago
      I wasn't complaining for myself. It just seems odd to me that certain types of comments, pots etc seem to get decremented regardless of who posts them. Mot are political in nature and people tend to get very defensive about their political views. I just support a fair discussion about the items here in the Gulch and find it very odd that a place started with the ideas of Rand as a foundation have members who down check for political and ideological reasons. not sound well reasoned ones.
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      • Posted by edweaver 7 years, 8 months ago
        I get that.
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        • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 8 months ago
          I just would like to know why. Then I could see if it's just someone's opinion, over-sensitivity or if perhaps I screwed something up, ie the link doesn't work or the resource is bad, (usually that's only an opinion). But at least we can have a conversation about it...present an opposing view at least...isn't that how we develop critical thinking...isn't that what progressives have taken from the unaware?
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          • Posted by edweaver 7 years, 8 months ago
            I agree. I've up voted you on occasion since I saw no reason for the down vote. All topics need to be discussed. Some of us have been through the subjects so many times but there are new people and things get rehashed. It is okay.
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            • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 8 months ago
              Thanks...I try to at least point to different takes or connections to rehashed material while it's happening in real time.
              This rehashing we see among us might just a "being on the same page", thing"
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 8 months ago
    I like how some sites have a public "thanks" features. I don't like to write replies adding nothing saying "yes to everything above", and
    "+1" or "well said" sound arrogant to me. The "thanks" feature shows the names of everyone who thanked a post.

    On this site I use the thumbs us as "thanks", If I disagree, I write a response. This results is most of my responses being about disagreement. I use the thumbs down thing for out-and-out rude comments.
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  • Posted by Lucky 7 years, 8 months ago
    mminnick. good point but ...
    A post that has been down-marked to zero attracts my attention.
    Usually, I go to it and read it first, like it or think it is harmless and mark it up.
    Marking-down a post to zero is likely the action of some troll.
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