Myers-Briggs

Posted by cadalyyn 7 years, 8 months ago to Culture
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A thought crossed my mind while driving home yesterday. Are certain personality types more likely to hold Objectivist values than others?

Personally, I was thinking in terms of Myers-Briggs personality types. I am an INTJ and have always leaned towards logic and trying to make all of my emotions rational and logical to the situation. Maybe, because this is my personality, I was more likely to be drawn into Objectivism and similar ideals.

What is your opinion on this and/or (to get an idea of how many of us share the same personalities) what are your personality types?


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  • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 8 months ago
    I have a copy of "Please Understand Me" and every time I look at it I am more convinced that Myers-Briggs is hooey, or at least needs expanding to cover more types of people than they recognize. This is one of the same problems astrology has: there are more than 12 kinds of people in the world.

    Using the quizzes in the book, I come out to be a type that it says cannot exist: IXTJ, a hybrid of the Logical and Artisan types.
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 7 years, 8 months ago
    I can't remember when/where I read it, but it bears out my experience: INTJs, despite their low incidence in the general population, have a large percentage of the Objectivist population.
    It's the "J" that does it, I think.
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    • Posted by paris1 7 years, 8 months ago
      I've taken the test a few times over the past 30 years and moved from a P to a J in that time. My take on that is I was more comfortable with ambiguity in my youth than I am at 68!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 8 months ago
    I saw the test on line. It looked so easy to cheat so that it could be made to turn out any way you wanted it to, either consciously or subconsciously. Plus the version on line wanted too much information after the test.
    "I'd call you ladies and gentlemen, but you know what you are." -- Milton Berle
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 years, 8 months ago
    I tested as INTJ at 17, but now I test ENTP. I think both were accurate. I do get energy from extraverted and intraverted times, and can flip (I vs E). I definitely like trying new things and being a little spontaneous, but also like a "home base" with rules to go back to (P vs J).

    I like the DISC better than Meyers-Briggs. I totally nailed me, except for one small sentence. It was so "on" that one of my co-workers put my test results over his desk to point to whenever he needed to remind me of a behavior. It was pretty funny.

    Both help interpersonal communications by facilitating an understanding of another's perspective. This helped a lot around our offices. DISC, in particular, pointing out who needed a lot of data for decisions, and who was oriented to us intuition. Every single person in management was a "D", which indicated a decisive, take charge nature. Most engineers score a high "C" rating. For DISC, I scored zero in S and C and 100% inl D, I. This profile pattern is named the Influencer.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 8 months ago
      I appreciated both systems: they both helped me to learn about myself. I also noticed that the three times I have taken it over the years show me to have developed. I used to be as hardcore I as one could get - literally 16 of 16. Much of that was because I had no self-confidence and so being around people was terribly uncomfortable for me. N and T have always been solid, but I have waffled back and forth on P and J - mostly depending on the circumstances.

      I have also taken the DISC, as well as red-yellow-blue-white, which is more of an organizational behavior test. I really liked that one (sometimes yellow is substituted for green) where Red is Driver, Blue is Analytical, White is Amiable, and Yellow is Creative.
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    • Posted by $ TomB666 7 years, 8 months ago
      I agree with your judgement DISC allows for more flexibility. While we have core personality, we vary it depending on circumstances: you tend to present differently to your lover/spouse then you do to your boss or your subordinates. DISC allows for that and when administered suggests that you think of a situation while selecting your answers. With your results, I'll guess you are in charge even when you are not officially so ;-)
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  • Posted by bittersweet 7 years, 8 months ago
    I was talking about that with a friend just the other day. We both took the Myers -Briggs personality test and were INTJs. When I looked it up, I found that INTJs make up only 2% of the population and are only found in 0.8% of women. Yet all the friends I have that share similar ideals fall into this category of personalities.
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  • Posted by minorwork 7 years, 8 months ago
    Don't see much use for this unscientific Meyers- Briggs fad. Might as well use astrology. Look at the test's history. Was a modification of Jung's categorizations done after Katherine Briggs read Jung's 1921 book PSYCHOLOGICAL TYPES. Jung had people dropped into one of four basic buckets. Neither Briggs had formal education in any subject related fields. Isabel Briggs Myers was Katherine Brigfs' degreed political science daughter. They decided that each person probably combined elements, so they modified Jung's system and made it a little more complex, ending up with four dichotomies, like binary switches. Any combination of the four switches is allowed, and Myers and Briggs reasoned that just about every personality type could be well described by one of the sixteen possible ways for those switches to be set. https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4221

    The confirming impression that Briggs-Meyers is an accurate test is due to an effect we all must be wary of for we all are subject to it, the Forer Effect, after psychologist Bertram Forer who, in 1948, gave a personality test to his students and then gave each one a supposedly personalized analysis. The impressed students gave the analyses an average accuracy rating of 85%, and only then did Forer reveal that each had received an identical, generic report. Belief that a report is customized for us tends to improve our perception of the report’s accuracy. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-n...
    Does not speak well for the test being derived scientifically and it isn't. It's pseudoscience palm reading. Want to experience the Forer effect for yourselves? Use color to "determine" you personality characteristics and be amazed. http://www.colorquiz.com/

    Analysis of the present glut in cult personality testing. https://www.amazon.com/Cult-Personali...
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  • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 8 months ago
    another interesting question...back in the late 60's, i attended a number of NBI lectures in NYC...in casual conversation i asked Ayn about pretty much what you are asking...Nat and Barbara jumped in and answered steering the conversation to one's psycho-epistemology...

    in later years, i was out in L.A. on a layover as a pilot with American Airlines...i met Nat for lunch...the subject came up that Ayn had commented in a taped conversation that she did not trust the psycho-epistemology of pilots...i asked Nat to comment...he said that she was very distrustful of putting anyone in charge of her life unless she knew them very well...Nat said he would trust his life to fly with me as the pilot in charge...

    i have found many pilots with a similar personality type as mine...we are obsessive compulsive and find great certainty in a very step-by-step approach to life in a logically structured order. Yet other pilots were also religious...some would profess that if the rapture came while we were flying, that they would be lifted up and the rest of us would be left alone on this earth (oh yeah)...i would play with their mind by telling them that if i was in the lav during a rapture and he was lifted up and the plane crashed and the rest of us died that he would go to hell for not staying with us...most of them would have an existential crisis and worry themselves no end (what else do you have to talk about at 35,000 ft on autopilot from L.A. to Miami on the red-eye)....but i found that Objectivism and flying fit my personality desires naturally and logically...
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 8 months ago
    Please explain or define "INTJ".
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    • Posted by 7 years, 8 months ago
      It is one of the 16 personality types defined by the Myers-Briggs test. There are two options for each of the letters.
      Extraversion (E) or Introversion (I)
      Sensing (S) or Intuition (N)
      Thinking (T) or Feeling (F)
      Judging (J) or Perceiving (P)

      INTJ is defined as:
      "Introversion + iNtuition + Thinking + Judging.
      Vision oriented, quietly innovative, insightful, conceptual, logical, seeks understanding, critical, decisive, independent, determined, pursues competence, improvement"
      by the Myers-Briggs website.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 8 months ago
    There might be some links between personality and propensities toward differing values.

    When I first read Genotype by Dr. D'Adamo I learned that certain Genotypes/bloodtypes have slight, predictable personality traits. the idea here is the different chemicals used by the DNA or the part of the strands that are active or read by the body and is determined first, by bloodtype and then your resulting genotype. (based on common measurements, head and body shape, partially determined in the womb.)

    But, that only points to a level of probability and can be influenced by upbringing, family dynamics and...wait, wait for it, you may not believe it...the food you eat.

    Do not discount this body of work until you read the book.
    I found by reading his books, I understood myself better than all the road trips I took in my teenage years to "find" myself.
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  • Posted by ErikAZ 7 years, 8 months ago
    I'm an INTP although a few time INTJ has been the result. Personally I'm very logic driven almost to the exclusion of emotional input. I completely agree that the Objectivist may be more inclined toward the logical given our focus on facts and reality over the emotional "everyone's keeper" mentality in my humble opinion.
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 7 years, 8 months ago
    I tested around a year ago as an INFP. (I saw there was another INFP posting here.) While the I was firm, the other classifications were very close to a 50-50 split. I also had taken the test in college, about 30 years ago, but don't remember those results, unfortunately.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 8 months ago
    What is an INTJ ?
    I do not know what or who Myers-Briggs is.
    As to personality types, people who, as children
    and adolescents, are rational and honest sometimes tend to get hurt by others because of
    this. (At least, I think this was true in my case). They also may be accused of being "selfish!" quite frequently. (Or, in a class discussion of a
    character in a fiction work in English class, may
    hear a character accused of being "selfish"
    for merely standing up for him/herself). Such a
    person may very well have trouble getting along
    with others. And somebody like that may be more receptive to Objectivism.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 8 months ago
    to help out people like me....

    Personality Types | 16Personalities
    https://www.16personalities.com/perso...
    Bold, imaginative and strong-willed leaders, always finding a way – or making one. ENTP Personality (“Debater”). “Debater”. ENTP (-A/-T). Smart and curious ...
    ‎INTJs · ‎INFPs · ‎INFJ Personality · ‎ENFPs
    Briggs Myers' 16 Personality Types: In-Depth Profiles & Free Quiz | Truity
    www.truity.com/view/types
    Isabel Briggs Myers created the sixteen personality types with the help of her mother, Katharine Briggs, and the theories of psychologist Carl Jung. Since then ...
    ‎INTJs · ‎INFJs · ‎INFPs · ‎INTPs
    The Myers & Briggs Foundation - MBTI® Basics
    www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personali...
    The purpose of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator® (MBTI®) personality inventory is to make the theory of psychological types described by C. G. Jung understandable and useful in people's lives.
    ‎Take the MBTI® Instrument · ‎The 16 MBTI® Types · ‎Judging (J) or Perceiving
    Myers–Briggs Type Indicator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers–B...
    Jump to Structured vs. projective personality assessment - A chart with descriptions of each Myers–Briggs personality type and the four dichotomies central to the theory. Katharine Cook Briggs and Isabel Briggs Myers extrapolated their MBTI theory from Carl Jung's writings in his book Psychological Types. A diagram depicting the cognitive functions of each type.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 7 years, 8 months ago
    Is there a simple way to take this test?

    Back in 2007 I was sent to a charm school called the Center for Creative Leadership in Greensboro, North Carolina. They based a 3 day workshop in part around the Briggs-Myers personality classification. I was sent because my boss at the time was telling me I couldn't communicate. I had been warning the production folks that a certain highwall in a coal strip mine in Wyoming was at risk of massive failure if they continued to ignore slope stability protocol. I began in a written memo backed with monitoring data, and then verbally on a weekly basis in morning line-out meetings. In June the wall completely failed. Three thousand feet long and five hundred feet back. Twelve million dollars in lost production and thankfully no one hurt.

    The workshop was the most bizarre Orwellian experience I have ever been through. One way windows with cameras behind filming everyone's demeanor and performance. And then review your performance while mutually the film and pointing out where you were combative, evasive, or at fault in some way. Prior to attending I had to pick a list of 12 people (peers) that would do an on-line Q&A session about me. My boss was able to pick 5 more of his choice. The on-line results were all tabulated, scored and summarized before we got there. In several major areas, everybody's response clustered on a graph with my own self evaluation. But my boss was way out in left field. At the end of the workshop we individually met with a "counselor".

    The guy assigned to me said we have a problem. My assignment was to approach my boss with the results and mutually hammer why might be. And report back. Forget it. Within a year I had a knew job.

    I can't remember what I classified as. I was so put off by the whole thing I dismissed it all. And then I learned that major employees were starting to use Briggs_Myers results as hiring criteria. Needless to say I was not impressed with the whole thing, but perhaps I had a bad experience because of the shock collar...err....charm school approach.
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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 7 years, 8 months ago
    I agree with whoever in the thread already said it was "hooey". It pains me to think that on on a site devoted to a philosophy of Individualism anyone would pay the least attention to something that reduces you to 4 letters, based on a small number of generic questions. (I've taken the test, required in a class.)

    Just my individual opinion.
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  • Posted by skidance 7 years, 8 months ago
    If I remember correctly, I was split between E and I NTJ.

    I've always vaguely suspected that we Objectivist types tend to be INTJ. I suppose it also explains why I find few people I can relate to.

    Has anyone done research on relationships and marriages between Myers-Briggs types?
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    • Posted by paris1 7 years, 8 months ago
      It's out there. I do know that marriage partners who share N (intuitive) can survive lots of ups and downs because they understand people and social dynamics on a deeper level than those that lack intuition. I can vouch for that as my wife of 29 years is an ENFP and we have a great marriage!
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 8 months ago
    Interesting, I never took the test until now, but my personality type letters are INTJ also. Makes sense that Objectivists would fall into this category.
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  • Posted by brkssb 7 years, 8 months ago
    INTJ/INTP. J=P. Through the years, J was slightly greater than P until last test circa 2007. As I recall, INTJ is associated with military officers and high risk judgment.
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  • Posted by paris1 7 years, 8 months ago
    Great question cadalyyn! Having cut my teeth on Objectivism and then moved on to small "l" libertarianism some 45 years ago, I always suspected most of us were INTJs. Did not realize we were such a small % of the population though. Although my wife (ENFP) always kids me that I am in the 10% bracket of any personality characteristic ever defined.
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  • Posted by Rex_Little 7 years, 8 months ago
    I figured Objectivism would correlate with INTJ, but it looks like it does so even more than I thought.

    I'm INTJ, and I was pretty much an Objectivist before I even knew what that was.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 8 months ago
      Yes, same with me. I think I got it from watching my parents and my interest in science and engineering. THINGS dont work on feelings, they work on facts only.
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      • Posted by $ puzzlelady 7 years, 8 months ago
        I was born an Objectivist/atheist. Even at the age of 3, I would not believe my mother claiming I had an invisible guardian angel nor the rest of her Catholic indoctrination and attempts to make me say prayers. Nor her assertion about the Easter bunny. It always bothered me that she would lie to me.
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        • Posted by term2 7 years, 8 months ago
          My mother tried to raise me Catholic. By first grade I was noticing inconsistencies. They whole praying thing for example. If you prayed to Mary , that would get you more than praying to Jesus. I was wondering just what one got, I made a quiet deal with God. I wanted this plastic dump truck toy so I figured if there really was a god, praying every night for a month should convince him to put one up in the attic in a special place no one knew about. I said nothing to anyone about this deal and I prayed for the month. When no plastic dump truck appeared I concluded either there was no god, or if there was one , praying was useless. But if I didn't do what the priests said, and there was a god, I was going to hell forever.

          Back then the church offered a deal. If I went to communion on 9 consecutive first Friday's. I would get the chance to repent just before dying- and then could escape hell !! I did the 9 consecutive first Friday's and then was free of the whole thing.

          Now I realize the folly of the whole catholic religion . What a thing to put children through !! It's cruel
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