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Air Conditioning Is a Human Right

Posted by awebb 7 years, 10 months ago to News
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"And while free citizens should be able to set their thermostat to whatever level they feel comfortable at (the Department of Energy conservatively recommends 78), imprisoning people in buildings where there is no thermostat to keep the temperature below 90 isn’t just uncomfortable, nor is it just dangerous—it’s a violation of a human right."

Give me a break. While I think that prisons have a responsibility to keep the facility at a temperature that is livable (this is for workers as much as prisoners) they do not have the responsibility to provide AC.

My fiancé and I just bought a house and guess what... it doesn't have central air. Is someone going to come out and give us a unit for free because the builder has violated our human rights?

Comfort is not a human right.

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  • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What kills me is that they get very good medical interventions - while many working folk struggle to get that. Never really understood that.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes...I did mean incarcerate. The state has entirely too many laws and we are in a situation where we are all in violation of a law at all times, leading to a situation where the "Regime" can arbitrarily pick someone that they don't like and pretty much at will lock them up. That is the basis for a totalitarian state and exactly the situation brought up when the state science institute when they tried to get Hank Reardon to sell his steel to them.
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  • Posted by awebb 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed. I'm not trying to minimize the value of human life but the article says "during the past 18 years, over 20 men have died with the cause of death of heat stroke inside prison buildings constructed and maintained by the State of Texas." ... I'm guessing it isn't that much over 20 or they would have stated a higher number. At 20 men over 18 years that's 1.11 deaths per year. That doesn't seem like an epidemic.
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  • Posted by awebb 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. I don't know how these liberal outlets stand all their contradictions. AC is a human right but it's contributing to climate change and should be banned.... It must be exhausting.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your not supposed to use them...government does what it wants.
    There are natural CFC's and those released from the ground do not go up to the Ozone layer. Just like all things, the holes are a natural thing and part of a cycle.
    Just chicken little liberal the sky is falling stuff and it's your fault...
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  • Posted by Enyway 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm sure you meant " incarcerate." Anyway, I personally do not believe we should outlaw drugs. It is a crime with no victim, save that of the perpetrator. If drugs were legal, the idiots that partake in them will either be dead or able to cope. It's a win win. We get rid of the idiots and retain those who have some somnolence of a brain. I hate to bring in the deity but, "God knows we need some grey matter that is fluid in common sense." Sadly, common sense seems to be lacking in our society. Fortunately, that is not so. Common sense abounds in our society. It just doesn't get the coverage it is due. It is very simple. First, follow natural law. Second, follow natural law. Third, the only true law that exists is natural law.
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  • Posted by awebb 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't believe that prisoners should just be left to die. You do have a right to life and putting someone in an impossible to survive situation is denying them that right. However, I think other options (besides the taxpayer providing AC) should be explored. How do people without AC across the country survive the summer? While most people (according to the article) in Texas do have AC some don't ... how do they avoid heatstroke?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I spelled it that way on purpose it took a while to figure out how to work it in with only one letter change. Common phrase from the early days of television. Ahh it'i was the letter 'i' but then the spell checker was on.

    On he other subject the nation does up hold cruel but not unusual punishment. Go look at the old folks care giver homes where they are waiting and ready to die but kept alive against there will - artificially Not only does the nation treat it's dogs better than it's children it treats it's dogs better than it's Senior Citizen.

    So I'm not surprised it keep s serial killers alive.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah. I am actually pro-capital punishment, but I do believe that it does serve as a disincentive for the types of behavior for which it is used - in addition to removing the problem criminal as well. My problem with it is that liberals and progressives have totally warped and distorted the "cruel and unusual punishment" clause as well as the justice system itself to make it difficult or nearly impossible to prosecute and execute offenders of violent crimes.

    (And just a suggestion, but the forum does have a spell-checker native to the reply boxes. "No chit charley chan iyou think." ????? Clarity to me is far more important than speed in a discussion.)
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  • Posted by cjferraris 7 years, 9 months ago
    I used to be an HVAC technician for the Department of Corrections for the State of Nevada. When I was there, we were directed to keep the temperature in the cells between 65 and 85 degrees. Sometimes it's a challenge, but we were able to do it. During a summer heat wave when it's 110 degrees outside, it can be a challenge to keep the temperature as cool as 85 or when it's 30 degrees out warming it up to 65 because the prisons out here are out in the middle of no-where, so you're relying on heat pumps to do the job. I'm sure each state has it's own standards.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 9 months ago
    Funny. I've played a role in writing some mechanical design code for prisons. For the most part, the code for prisons is shite. Horribly written. And, the comfort levels for prisoners is clearly less stringent than that for the general public.

    I could probably write a book on this...
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Amen pass the ammunition and double iyour pay check for that. Worked at Jamestown and worked at Plymouth
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not supposed to use them any more last I heard. Or was that some other not supposed to ....so many I have trouble keeping track. Like lead based paint for boat hulls EXCEPT government gets to keep using it.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not certain that it is kind or forgiving. I would REQUIRE work to Eat, and their ONLY pay would be in the form of restitution towards whomever they had wronged to wind up in there.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Got it. took awhile. "CFC Correctional Facilty Chiles and carbonated methane." when pumped repeatedly through the body system provides an in house cooling system. Reverse direction for winter heating. Color coded for temperature bandwidth preferred Red Hot to Damn Hot, Green Cool to Warm Cubanas (the light yellow kind) for Cold to Parkasa These average very with type ingested or re-ingested. Recommended Habaneros, Chipoteles, Chiltepins recommended. Warning Labels for Dave's Ultimate Insanity or Ghost Pepper Sauce Warning Labels. Not recommended for Beginners and will clean concrete garage or cell floors as advertised. Look for a complete Scoville rating prior to use or filing complaints and law suits from your prison library.

    What is the Hottest for your CFC&CM needs? Check out the NEW post and move over Dave's
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 9 months ago
    Laughing...John Kerry would agree...he's worried alllllllll these CFC's are gona take out the planet!!!!

    Carbon, CFC's and methane! OH MY!!! the sky is falling and it's...all YOUR FAULT!
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's pro capital punishment that provides swift justice once the criteria have been met.

    Polly Hannah Klaas (January 3, 1981 – October 1, 1993) was an American murder victim whose case gained national attention. On October 1, 1993, at the age of twelve, she was kidnapped at knife point during a slumber party from her mother's home in Petaluma, California. She was later strangled. Her killer

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard...

    had been frequently arrested and then paroled or released for the same type of crimes over a five decade period. Last I looked he is still alive with a antisocial personality disorder diagnosis" - No chit charley chan iyou think. Outliving his victims 12 years by 50 years

    Richard Allen Davis in 2007
    Born June 2, 1954 (age 62)
    San Francisco, California, U.S.
    Criminal penalty Death
    Conviction(s) Murder with special circumstances (robbery, burglary, kidnapping and lewd act upon a child)

    The California Three Strikes law first in the nation was based on the Klass murder and many other similar instance. It led to the Amber Alert system

    Air Conditioning??

    This nation can't protect itself, it's people, it's childrena nd in fact as Heinlein predicted treates it's dogs better than it's children.

    I'm a firm beleiver in the Fly Swatter Theory of Executions Doesn't do a bit of good except that particular fly will never kill, kidnap, rape, or molest again.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, what I was referring to was that I had no idea how to connect my statements with your following comments because of a total lack of context in your statements.

    If your point is on the uselessness of capital punishment, a little more elaboration would help me frame a response. (I have no idea what Polly Klass refers to).
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah you are new i forgot. Society determines what crimes fit what punishements. One that always gets a 100% positive is fly swatting. The crime is interfering with my picnic. Fly Swatting is a capital punishment, an execution. Plain and simple. No fly thus treated ever bothers your picnic again. No wasting time on recidvism or reeducating or group therapy just one fast SWAT! Doesn't do a damn thing for other flys but that fly is guaranteed never to bother society again.

    (The serious part. Think Polly Klass. )

    Does anyone complain? Of course not. The watermelon is untainted and besides what was the name of the last fly you executed?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    South Central In FLA it's a swamp. In California it's LA. In Arizona it's the Great Southwest Desert. Any of the three would do.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We only had a jail with six month limit sentences. The Guard Captain was about 8' tall and 300 kilos. Used to play entire line position for Dallas. He had a few words. 'Behaving' meant not causing trouble. Everything else was lumped under Intent to Farkle, Farkling and Farkling with Intent. The drunk cell was soldid steel floors, walls, ceilings. No bars monitor cameras and microphones. All waterproof. It was also used for showers. That required the water hoses. I can't think of anyone doing anythng that man's supervision that required seeing a Judge. No recedivism without good cause and plenty of reformation. Good cause meant getting arrested for Thanks giving through New Years. Three big time meals and no limits on seconds or extras.
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