Ted Cruz does not endorse Trump Based on Principles
Aside from the issues and facts that Mark presents; what about the constitutional values we expect our presidents, our presidential candidates and our representatives to pledge unswerving dedication to...their fortunes, their most sacred honor or their lives to. Isn't that much more important than the "Party"?
I have to laugh even though it's a bit sicking, they booed when Cruz said: "Vote your conscience" "Vote for the candidate you trust and a candidate that will adhere to the constitution.
Kind of makes one think. By the way...that pledge?...was discarded March 29th by the Don himself...
We find ourselves here in these times because we haven't adhered to the constitution...have we not?
I have to laugh even though it's a bit sicking, they booed when Cruz said: "Vote your conscience" "Vote for the candidate you trust and a candidate that will adhere to the constitution.
Kind of makes one think. By the way...that pledge?...was discarded March 29th by the Don himself...
We find ourselves here in these times because we haven't adhered to the constitution...have we not?
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The rest of your first paragraph is a misstatement of everything else I wrote. Please go back and read it again. I did not say that the Federal government has no business protecting Constitutional rights. You are inferring that there exists a right to marry which does not and never has existed. Rights are individual and inherent - never granted by contract or expressed as groups.
"The Supreme Court did not force Kentucky..."
They forced upon them the issuance of licenses which were illegal according to existing State law and popular vote. And they did it by asserting authority they did not have.
"Kentucky could have quit issuing marriage licenses altogether, but chose not to do so."
Yes, they could have. And to me that would have solved the entire problem right there. The Federal Government used an existing overreach to justify their own overreach. Neither was acceptable, but at least the State governments can fall back on the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to try to claim legitimacy. The Federal Government is specifically excluded on the basis of the Ninth and Tenth Amendments and has no legitimacy whatsoever.
"Your “no equivalency” argument does not apply to same-sex marriage any more than it applies to interracial marriage"
You don't want it to, but it does nonetheless. The whole purpose behind marriage was a pairing of complementary (i.e. opposite) sexes for the purpose of procreation. It is not marriage without this complementary pairing. Skin color doesn't prevent procreation. Having non-complementary sexes does. The attempts by homosexual advocacy groups to make the issue of gay marriage equivalent to the civil rights movement is wholly fallacious. It is only the redefinition of marriage AFTER THE FACT which enables one to attempt to employ the equivalency of gay marriage to interracial marriage at all! That's a tremendous logical fallacy because it asserts an altered definition as its own proof!
"Furthermore, the bulk of the privileges conferred by states to married couples (such as tax status, inheritance rights, immunity from testifying against spouse) are unrelated to the gender of the participants..."
I won't go into the fact that you are arguing the supremacy of government vs the supremacy of the individual, but I will point out that you ignore the basic fact about why society cares about the formation of the family in the first place! Society does not continue without procreation first of all. Homosexuality is self-defeating and destructive to society in that regard. Next we deal with the quality of society and study after study affirms that children who grow up in a home comprised of their biological parents (mother and father) become the most productive citizens statistically. So society has a very vested self-interest in promulgating and encouraging traditional family formation in pursuance of its own prosperity!
The Supreme Court did not force Kentucky or any other state to issue marriage licenses. They were already doing so, just as states were already providing public schools in the 1950s when the Supreme Court ruled that they could not be segregated by race. Kentucky could have quit issuing marriage licenses altogether, but chose not to do so.
Your “no equivalency” argument does not apply to same-sex marriage any more than it applies to interracial marriage, which the Supreme Court properly overturned state bans on decades ago. Going by your logic, states should have the power to ban interracial marriages because there is “no equivalency” between same-race and mixed-race marriage, because to say otherwise would deny that racial differences exist “in total violation of chromosomal and physiological reality” – ergo: there is no demonstration of equivalency and therefore it is entirely non-discriminatory to treat the two circumstances (actually at least three as a black man-white woman marriage is certainly different than a white man-black woman one) differently. Does this argument make any sense from a Constitution standpoint?
Furthermore, the bulk of the privileges conferred by states to married couples (such as tax status, inheritance rights, immunity from testifying against spouse) are unrelated to the gender of the participants, so the “no equivalency” argument is meaningless. It would be like saying there is “no equivalency” between a sales contract for a car and a sales contract for a truck, because cars and trucks are different from each other.
" how in the world can you defend Cruz’s siding with Kim Davis..."
If you agree that the Federal government has no business in marriage, then you void the Supreme Court ruling that started coercing States like Kentucky, forcing them to issue marriage licenses. It's that simple. And just in case you don't understand the legality of the case, I'll lay it out for you. Kim Davis was a duly elected representative of the State of Kentucky as a County Clerk. And in Kentucky, marriage licenses held the signature of the County Clerk at the bottom. Now to me and to her, if you put your signature on something it means that you agree with it. She didn't. So she refused to issue marriage licenses. And BTW - she was taken to the Supreme Court of Kentucky and they acquitted her - recognizing that she was obeying State law AND the law of her own conscience and that the voters could certainly petition for a recall election - something that never happened. The Kim Davis case is all about the heavy hand of the Federal Government intervening where it had no Constitutional authority solely to push an agenda. You may agree with the agenda, but the method should have been for Congress to pass a Constitutional Amendment - ratified by the States - granting explicit authority over the definition of marriage to the Federal Government and not to use the Courts to do an end-run around the will of the people.
Furthermore, as I have already shown, the Fourteenth Amendment is a red herring even if the Federal Government were to have jurisdiction. In order to show its applicability, you must demonstrate that there is no difference between heterosexual marriage and homosexual marriage. To do that, you must deny that sex/gender exists in total violation of chromosomal and physiological reality. Ergo: there is no demonstration of equivalency and therefore it is entirely non-discriminatory to treat the two circumstances (actually at least three as a gay marriage is certainly different than a lesbian one) differently.
And I beg to differ with you that the Fourteenth overrides the Tenth. That's nonsense. The Amendments work in conjunction with each other unless they explicitly cite otherwise as in the case of the Eighteenth and Twenty-First Amendments. Or would you claim that the Fourteenth overrides the First Amendment as well? Or the Second?
Regarding marriage, I agree with everything that you said in your last paragraph. I also agree with your earlier statement that state marriage licensing is “a usurpation of authority they never had.” Based on these statements, how in the world can you defend Cruz’s siding with Kim Davis “asserting the role of arbiter over which marriages are valid and which are invalid”?? What you’re saying is that her actions violate the First Amendment. What I’m saying is that they violate the 14th Amendment. Either way they violate the Constitution that Ted Cruz claims to uphold.
Regarding the 14th Amendment, the problem is that there is no equality of condition between a heterosexual marriage and a homosexual one in the first place. Without an equality of condition, there can be no violation of equality in the first place. And such an argument still presupposes the notion that even State governments have the ability to interfere in what was a religious event in the first place. As I pointed out, their intentions were those of interference and coercion - not the establishment of freedom.
I would further point out that marriage is a contract - not a right. The real sticking point with any contractual arrangement is enforcement. By government asserting the role of arbiter over which marriages are valid and which are invalid, they are in effect establishing a governmentally-sponsored and -imposed religion which tramples over the First Amendment rights of ALL Americans.
Re: “The issue of gay marriage never was about equal protection. If you believe that you believe one of the great lies of our times.” Maybe it wasn’t about equal protection at the time the 14th Amendment was enacted, but it certainly is about equal protection now. The Constitution and its amendments were not enacted simply to cover the political issues of their time – they also were intended to serve as a guide to resolving future political conflicts whose nature they could not foresee. The 9th Amendment is a good example of this, and is also very relevant to the gay marriage issue.
It's not about reason or logic...they obviously don't fit in that category.
Read the author's own statements on the intent of the Fourteenth Amendment: it was to cover the freed slaves and extend to them all the privileges they should have been able to exercise already. It, however, did not give the Federal Government power to regulate marriage in any form.
And even the States themselves only started "regulating" marriage when they instituted marriage licenses - which were an excuse to extort money and to give the government control to prevent interracial marriages - a usurpation of authority they never had. The issue of gay marriage never was about equal protection. If you believe that you believe one of the great lies of our times.
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Volition, not violation. my bad.
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