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  • Posted by Zenphamy 7 years, 10 months ago
    Objectively, clothing serves the purpose of protecting a human being from the environment one finds himself in. Having said that, there are some things that I'd just rather not see.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
      So, clothing is not a moral subject?
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      • Posted by Zenphamy 7 years, 10 months ago
        Why would clothing be moral/immoral? It's amoral, with the exception of what's needed to survive an environment. People may turn it into something else, but they do so with a lot of things that have little if anything to do with life. There have been entire species of birds and animals decimated for fashion. Then you see families that can't afford to buy food, scrimp and save to buy the newest pair of 'fashion' shoes--insane and not objective.
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        • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
          Yes, it's amoral then. The conversation I had in mind was more about when people judge inappropriate clothing as imoral, because it shows too much or hides too little. Now I get a better sense as an amoral subject. Thank you!
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      • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 10 months ago
        Sure wearing clothing is a moral subject. Moral implies choice. That does not mean that anything goes before the law. Such laws about covering certain body parts has been worked out over many centuries. Privately, do as you please or what your employer dictates, publicly there is a very broad range of possibilities in clothing ones body without being forced into a uniform.
        I have a younger brother who has had trouble keeping clothes on most his life. Was a nudist
        as a young teenager. Now at 70 he runs a nude cleaning service in the LA area. Likes to vacuum in the nude. Sometimes has trouble explaining himself when someone comes home and their spouse did not tell them whom they had hired.
        Personally, I am against dress codes, especially while in involuntary servitude in mandatory school, including private schools where one should be getting an education and not the results of someone getting their jollies see little ones obey.
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        • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 10 months ago
          For those who believe Genesis, note that Adam and Eve had become moral beings when they began to choose. You live your lives trying to be moral and at the same time consider morality a sin according to Genesis.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 10 months ago
    Moral standard? No. It's a social standard. It could be argued that society derived that standard from its moral structure (burqa, penis sheath, etc.). Depending on where you are and the people of the society around you, a certain amount of attire, or lack of attire, is considered the norm and acceptable (moral?).

    When in Rome...
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  • Posted by STEVEDUNN46 7 years, 10 months ago
    Clothing is NOT a moral subject. It is a cultural subject. Nudity has nothing to do with sex. It is basically a question of whether one wants to not feel isolated from a community that he is living in. Case in point. Are nudists resorts. There is not a problem with rape or other type problems as in clothed societies. The clothed people are the ones who stand out and do not fit into their culture.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 10 months ago
    Excuse me, I do not think it is right to expose
    sexually private parts in public, either genitals or
    breasts, making public and common that which
    should be held private and sacred.-- Not saying
    that there should be a law about it, except as it
    might also be harmful to children if done on the
    open street.--And, in some contexts, it could
    perhaps rationally be interpreted as a threat,
    even if it were exposure to an adult.
    ---I also do not think it is right to make
    it public in the case of photographs or
    films (though drawings/paintings/sculp-
    tures might be different,being imagin-
    ary).--Photographs in the case of
    evidence in a rape case would be
    different, of course, as the main damage has al-
    ready been done.--And I don't care
    if people consider me a Victorian
    prude.
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  • Posted by skidance 7 years, 10 months ago
    I don't think it is a moral issue; rather, it speaks to one's taste and common sense--or lack thereof. One of my many mottos is "Don't flaunt one's flaws."
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 10 months ago
    The only problem with nudity is that it is a distraction. If the person is beautiful, people walking into lampposts and each other, or cars driving up a sidewalk may hurt someone. On the other hand, the way most of us look, most people will look away which can also be a hazard. In my case, what with saggy skin and gravity, I should wear a burqua in public but I don't, proudly displaying my age and when anyone stares, I tell them, "See what you've got to look forward to."

    Other than that, dress codes are silly and not needed. However seeing a man or woman dressed to the nines is a pleasant experience regardless of physical beauty since good clothes worn well always enhances appearance.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 7 years, 10 months ago
    All the Abrahamic religions believe it is immoral.
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    • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 10 months ago
      No they don't...it has to do with temptation and self respect along with the health and protection of the body.
      It can also be a form of "Advertisement"! Come and get it!!!...from thongs to pants worn below your ass.

      With all these muslims around that have No Self Control...One should probably wear Armor!
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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 7 years, 10 months ago
    In this country we wear clothes. It's as simple as that. There are probably countries where people wear nothing at all...fine. There are big dollars in the clothing industry. My husband actually thinks that I am keeping Talbots in business, and being the capitalist that I am, I'm happy to do my part.. And Zenphany is right, there are some things that I'd rather not see.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 10 months ago
      When I resided in San Diego, there was Black's Beach not too far from where I lived. It was a nude beach and right next to Torrey Pines Park which ran down a cliff and gave a view of said beach. The Park was good for flora and fauna, but the view next door? Forget about it.
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      • Posted by $ Suzanne43 7 years, 10 months ago
        Yes, Herb, most of us look better with something on.
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        • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 10 months ago
          No kidding. One guy's belly was so big he couldn't see his naughty bits. Perhaps he thought no one else could see them either. We were sure to keep our eyes elsewhere when visiting the park from then on.
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          • Posted by $ Suzanne43 7 years, 10 months ago
            The world is ugly enough without idiots like these running around making it worse.
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            • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 10 months ago
              If you are referring to certain humans, I agree. But the world? It is filled with beauty. The scenery, the seasons, so much to see and appreciate. The garden of Eden surrounds you everywhere.
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              • Posted by $ Suzanne43 7 years, 10 months ago
                Actually, I was referring to the world condition. Like Hillary getting off free, ISIS killings, and more dead policemen. Yes, there are many places that the scenery is beautiful. All I have to do is go to my gazebo and enjoy my backyard to name one such place.
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                • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 10 months ago
                  Humans are the problem with the world's condition. Rand had an exalted view of Mankind, but she sure had a knack for describing slimy weasels. My backyard is that way, and my back bedroom which I have turned into an office faces into it. Thanks to my BW butterflies abound.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
    I dont think your clothing or lack of it is anyone elses business. You should be able to do what you want. That said, covering certain parts of the body might be something that a person would want to do on their own for any number of personal reasons- but it shoudl be his/her choice.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 10 months ago
    I wouldn't morally judge someone by his/her clothing or lack of it except for practical reasons. For example, someone driving a truck without shoes on may present a hazard to others on the road.

    When I saw this headline the context I thought of was employment -- some employer wanted his staff to dress more formally than they felt was necessary. That is not really a moral issue. The employer should be free to have what rules he wants -- but there are cases where it's enough of a burden that it should be negotiated. (The recent case covered in media, where a dozen new hires petitioned the boss to get rid of a dress code and were fired for it, seems to me an overreaction and I don't approve, but that's a "cultural libertarian" issue; morally the boss was right.)
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
      He won't have to do it again Word gets around. And it's the base for customer relations and all that should go with it and so often doesn't anymore. Sloppy breeds sloppy. My application had a large blank space and stated write in your own hand writing using an ink pen what you can do to assist my business. Word got around. As I recall the job went to one applicant who neatly wrote, "Nothing at the present time. I have no skills yet. But I'm asking for entry level with training and I do pay attention. Please notice what I am wearing." Spoke well too.
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  • Posted by Animal 7 years, 10 months ago
    My standards on this are the same as with pretty much everything: I really don't give a damn what people do, as long as they leave me alone.
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  • Posted by deanhcross 7 years, 10 months ago
    There is a clear distinction between social convention and morality. Whose life is threatened from someone walking naked in public? No ones. Human life is the benchmark for all issues within morality. Social conventions are subjective. They vary from culture to culture and transform within a culture over time.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
    No in his or her culture but in my culture his ass is going to jail or the nut house and her ass is making the cover of the NY Times, Washington Post, or Congressional Record and other porno publications. Now you know the translation of Bichi.
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  • Posted by chad 7 years, 10 months ago
    In most cultures it is considered immoral not to be covered perhaps part of this is because men are very visual about being stimulated to want sex and females can be thought of as 'offering' sex when they are naked and inviting a particular male or any male. Another good reason for covering up in public is simply to avoid contamination on surfaces shared by others. I do NOT want to sit where any naked butt has sat previous to mine. Hygiene and embarrassment aside where you have a culture that has many levels of what might be considered decent it is polite to defer to the more stringent code simply because the covered can always uncover when it is not intrusive but it does not work the other way. If a culture wants to set aside certain areas for this behavior it does make it easier to choose to participate or not in a public environment. For me I find the female form beautiful and attractive and like to view it but I think if I were seeing it all the time and in some certain cases it might be less attractive. As for a husband & wife in a committed relationship I can see where once you decide this is only for those involved it does make it more of a personal shared experience, this experience is only for you, not everyone it can be defining of a relationship. Another part of this choice is a desire for very personal intimate contact to be with someone who shares our personal values not just everyone. My oldest daughter had the opinion that even if you are in a committed relationship having sex with someone else was okay as long as you didn't really 'like' them. This didn't seem to work out as well as she had thought when allowing her 'mate' to have sex with others was then followed up with; 'well do you like her? then why are you doing with her again? why did you choose her and not me?
    Last part of this choice is subjective, if you want to cover yourself completely or wear a string depends mostly on you then you have to decide where you will live to exercise those choices.
    Back to nakedness. An interesting concept based on how we might have been raised and whether or not it has any value to not be naked. A small tribe in the Amazon forest wears only a string around their waist once they hit puberty, prior to this no string. Once they put on the string they don't take it off, if they do they fell 'naked and ashamed'. I wonder where the feeling comes from, perhaps it is more about being out of place because everyone has a string. I don't know if I personally ever want to be evaluated by strangers when I am naked. If I had a string perhaps I would be okay with it.
    Should there be a dress code? When I have had a business I had one, you were expected to be at a certain standard of clothing if you were meeting the public, in sales. There was another when I was in construction that was more for safety - you don't want that getting caught in the lathe (imagine me pointing to the nether regions) - but people do feel more comfortable when others are dressed appropriately for a job.
    I see no harm in having a dress code for your property or business or school and if others do not choose that code go where they are comfortable (there should be no public schools and you choose where you want your child to go).
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  • Posted by Donald-Brian-Lehoux 7 years, 10 months ago
    A dress code or uniforms for SCHOOLS up college. This eliminates most peer pressure in clothing. I would make school uniforms a must for all public schools. There is learning and there is complaining at home for those that are more interested in what they wear than what they learn. Vote veteran someone that puts America B4 any party, we come from all backgrounds. Divide and conquer is what they do. End double standard,DC politician on Obamacare,SS mrpresident2016.com
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
      The reason for school uniforms was to remove class distinctions. as a distraction. Maybe the students would be better off learning class distinctions are a government institution.
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    • Posted by TheRealBill 7 years, 10 months ago
      School uniforms have an effect on learning, but it isn't removing the allegedly distraction of clothing choice. It is the ritual of uniform which improves results. Those who are distrusted so easily by what is worn are simply distracted and will be so by another topic.

      Further the notion that kids are sitting in math class thinking about what everyone else is wearing all the time is pure sophistry which falls under logical scrutiny. Nobody is sitting there thinking about for all day. If they were they would still do so even with uniforms - an obsessive always finds an object for obsession.
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      • Posted by Donald-Brian-Lehoux 7 years, 10 months ago
        I agree the children are not thinking about clothes while sitting there BUT between classes, before and after school not to mention the stress of what fashion is "in" for the school year BEFORE it even starts. Have you ever had anyone make fun of what you were wearing?
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 10 months ago
    A very long time ago I was watching something on TV about a nudist colony. It had a rule~
    In order to sit in a chair or a stool where food and/or booze was served, a nudist was required to first place a towel there.
    Their own towel. For sanitary reasons.
    I think I'd rather wear a pair of pants than to have to carry around a towel around all day.
    Hang it around the back of my neck? Naw!
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  • Posted by brkssb 7 years, 10 months ago
    The emperor has no clothes. Enjoy the vision, or not. No, I cannot argue on moral grounds. I can argue and have argued on acceptance of social standards (aka culture) related to "dress code" and in fact done away with "dress code" regulations in preference to common sense and what is detractive in a workplace environment (in MY opinion). But it's not a moral issue.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
      Do iyou agree with loud music in the work place because some like it and some like it loud. As with clothing the only moral code is Me First with no regard to otheres not even a screw you . Just a 'huh?"
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      • Posted by brkssb 7 years, 10 months ago
        Earphones were a wonderful invention for music in the workplace. So many different tastes may be accomodated.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
          So is paying attention to work which often means listening instead of being distracted. Work is not there to accomodate different tastes it's there to accommodate the employees bank account twice a month. IF the work is done correctly and on time.

          The business is not there to accommodate someone's need for an income. It's their to accomodate the customers and the owners investment.

          For me... it was easy and is easy for me to say and to apply. . I was raised properly with a work ethic. For my employees it was on the sheet of paper for conduct in the work place. They didn't like it hit the bricks. They didn't comply hit the bricks.

          On the other hand if the employees suggested something that might help production and it worked their pay check had a bonus or a raise. That did not include distracting activities. One I recall distinctly was job rotation to combat what at times could be very boring work that still had to be done. That one suggestion worked into a ten percent increase in job completion. A second was pricing. I hated .99 and other idiotic prices. so all my stuff was marked in even dollar amounts. .99 became 1.00. The suggestion was return to the .99 pricing. with examples. sure enough sales rose 40% in two months. Not my fault you think 19.99 is a great price while $20 is not. We found we could raise prices and it woul work. 18.00 became 19.99 Anyway that was promotion time for one individual.

          But earbuds to accomodaste employees while they are being distracted from work? No even if it's Bach or Sibelius. But as for dress code? I wouldn't look at an application if the baseball cap was on backward. A sign of moronic stupidity unless they are welding.

          I sent them out to find the job bush. Big green thing jump up snag a leaf and wow your working. Kerry had them in Massachusetts when he was governor.
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          • Posted by brkssb 7 years, 10 months ago
            Depends on the workplace, the job, and if it is a distraction or incentive. Judgment rests with productivity, safety, experience, employee satisfaction, and situation. Is music a distraction?
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
              Now you are making excuses. Anything that distracts someone's full attention to the job at hand is a distraction. I've got seven fingers. I learned that lesson the hard way . Excuses don't cut it. You want excuses complain to the shop steward. Excuses and distractions are not what the individual is being paid to accomplish. Listening to music, lollygagging, water cooler convversations when not on break, Circuit City a good example. Employees too busy pretending to work to do any work and customers walking out making no purchases and never returning. ANY distraction from the job at hand violates all your nicely arranged from some is a reason to rotate the unemployment roles. I don't care if the employee is not bothering anyone else. The employee can't hear anyone else especially the waiting customers.
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  • Posted by jjthompson1 7 years, 10 months ago
    Would seem situational, determined on a case by case basis. If within his/her culture this is normal and its a nude beach town then acceptable/true. If within his/her culture and its in the middle of say - a Billy Graham revival with families etc then not acceptable/false. If it's not within his/her culture and it is at the end of say a drunken pub crawl then - it's up for grabs on moral grounds but likely ends in a trip to the drunk tank which becomes more of a risk/reward evaluation - IMO.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
      Drunken pub crawl? Why you are talking millenial students and what else would you expect from that generation. Easy correction. Naked Chain Gangs. Moralit of it? What need of morality for people who have none. It was stated as a drunken pub crawl.
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