Honestly, you need more study; islam started as a religion in 610AD by 623AD it became a political movement much like Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's of World War II (as an example).

Again as for Jizya it is only for people of the Book [as explained in the qur'an, sharia, hadith and sira] so non-muslim non-people of the Book had death or conversion.

Before you claim confidence try reading the qur'an, hadith, sira, sharia and for a true islamic scholar try "23 years" A study of the prophetic career of mohammad written by Ali Dashti [a very high ranking muslim until doind and writing his findings in this book; which is banned in the Middle East from having, printing, or discussing.

I leave you in hope you gain more confidence in your knowledge of islam; we all need you to be as confident as possible.

God bless

I'm no trying to lessen anyones actions, I'm convey what I read as I understand them as told by academic scholars. Before I wrote any commentary related to islam I read about it extensively. While I may not know everything, I am confident that everything I say about it is accurate.

Including thaty islam acts as religion, social structure, and governing struture for it people. It is not simply a religion and in this way stands apart, just as it does with suicide bombers.

AJ, you as well are not entirely true; only people of the book are allowed to live by paying the 'Jizya' and running the risk of being beaten or raped each or any day. We should understand that the Jizya is not a 'tax' as one may believe; its a protection payment to one: prove subservient status and second: can be demanded by 'any' muslim at any time, even multiple times in the same day and if you cannot pay; beatings, destruction of home, rape of females or death is your penalty.

DO NOT TRY TO LESSEN THE ACTIONS OF islam

While islam is a political movement and NOT A RELIGION; It changed in or around 623AD to a militaristic/political movement. That being said the laws of sharia and the books [qur'an, hadith and sira] speak plainly of the 'raping' of a non-muslim (Kafir); islamic imam's speak that a Kafir woman is outside the law, they can be raped without risk of legal recourse. Imam's also explain, as do the books of islam that it MUST BE EXPANDED, and one way to do this is with fathering muslim children and common law decrees that the child follows the citizenship of the FATHER, so raping a Kafir helps to further islam. This action has been pushed to such an extent that islamic leaders created a rape game called 'taharrush' for muslim men to enjoy; it is a vicious game where many times the woman is ripped apart or at least severely beaten and raped multiple times.

Rape in this regard is not for terrorism, but for expanding a political movement.

Think about this; could islam be a religion if the plan is to expand through any means total takeover of the world and its wealth? Were communism, fascism (Nazi Germany)religion's or political movements; is the takeover of land a religious or political action?

We must understand what the enemy of our society is in order to understand how to explain, teach and beat it.

Very strangle religion indeed

It is rape and should be punished as such. There is no "reason why" that changes that.

not entirely true..you are welcome to live the life of an inferior - you pay a tax (Jizya), your beliefs can never be made public - voice or displayed, any building related to a non-islamic belief will not be destroyed but can never be repaired.

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and if you arent one of them, you need to die or be killed off

She did benefit from socialism, and even rose to a cabinet level..so, considering where she came from and all that she been through, I can hardly blame her for thinking fondly of socialism - it was her first taste of non-islimic living and freedom. She took advantage of the hand-up and didn't rely on hand outs.

A religion constructed by a thief and murder to justify his actions and future actions.

My 2 bits

I suspect Ayaan Hirsi supports socialism as well, based on her background.

I think Islam is basically a violent set of beliefs that are totally against our ideal of individual rights.

I prefer not to be around muslims. Sorry- this is not politically correct, but I am entitled to me judgments on things. I dont have to feel comfortable around people who profess to kill me because I dont believe their tenets.

Same argument for socialism. When it fails to work, its because it wasnt implemented right.....

No. Terrorism is violence arranged for the purpose of scaring the public into obeying the attacker. These rapes were not planned.

Now, the flood of so-called refugees may very well have been planned in order to take over western countries politically. And we're stupid if we allow that to happen (which is one of several good reasons to abandon the notion that democracy is a source of legitimacy for governments). But that is not the same thing as terrorism.

she escaped to Netherlands...then to America from there...do not know about her sexual status...she was mutilated as a child...but i understand she was put back together???...

does this remind you of "ethnic cleansing?" -- j
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Yep. Good book. I thought she was from somewhere else, but it was a while ago I read this. She is a lesbian as well, if I recall correctly.

one tough gale...my hat's off to her...she has come a long way on her own after escaping an arranged marriage in Somalia...

That's right..we are not in Rome...but then again, pagan bicameral don't get it...it's like getting cannibal's to eat a salad...

I can just see it now...The commercial starts with a gameshow voice shouting...
"How would YOU like to meet allah himself!" Register HERE for a chance of a lifetime and an indefinite stay at the fabulous Hotel Gitmo! Free with every entrant...a box of 72 white Rasins!"

Even better!