Is this wave of islamic rape across Europe (and to a degree America) terrorism?

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 9 months ago to Culture
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I had a long, drawn out conversation about islamic refugees having to be told not to rape women, even gang rape women, in many European countries. I contend, because of the nature of islam (which is a religion that dictates its followers social law and societal structure) is an act of terroism. My rationale is that these "people" use their culture, their social norms, as their reason to why they feel entitled to rape western women AND why western society has to make exceptions to their laws for them. Naturally, the counter argument was that its a crime despite the frequency of occurrences by a broad range of people who unifying thread is islam.

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  • Posted by Wanderer 7 years, 9 months ago
    Muslims in Europe are carrying out some of the first acts Muhammad ordered when he murdered the Jewish tribes of Medina, treating the surviving women as slaves or wives. Impregnating your enemy's women makes them far less likely to turn on you and, increases your eventual supply of dependable manpower (children). If there were (and when there are) enough Muslim men in Europe to kill all the infidel men and keep the women as slaves, they will do so. Muhammad tells them to.

    Genghis Khan had intercourse with and impregnated as many women as possible among the peoples he conquered.

    Call it a crime or call it terrorism, it is in reality neither. It's a tribal war cloaked in a religious overcoat, something with which almost no westerners are familiar and so, something that almost all western analysts see as terrorism. It's not, it's Jihad; totally different.
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  • Posted by edweaver 7 years, 9 months ago
    Personally I don't like the classification of terror or terrorism. I feel that is just another government scare word that is overused.

    I believe there are 2 choices. Either it is an act of war or it is a crime. I don't think it is an act of war. I also believe that the decision can't be based on a culture. It can't be an act of war for Muslims and a crime for Americans no matter how often it occurs.

    My 2 cents.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
      I would agree except for the frequency and regularity of the occurrence of the exact same crime.

      I'm very curious to hear the female perspective on this subject since a woman living among these refugees would live every moment in a public place. her home town/ her homeland, in fear.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 9 months ago
    No. Terrorism is violence arranged for the purpose of scaring the public into obeying the attacker. These rapes were not planned.

    Now, the flood of so-called refugees may very well have been planned in order to take over western countries politically. And we're stupid if we allow that to happen (which is one of several good reasons to abandon the notion that democracy is a source of legitimacy for governments). But that is not the same thing as terrorism.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago
    The punishment shoud fit the crime. Their culture doesn't count. They left it behind. So let's think a minute. Using the western penchant for money making how about travel agents as Judges. Arrange appointments with Allah. His Culture His job to sort them out.
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    • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 9 months ago
      I can just see it now...The commercial starts with a gameshow voice shouting...
      "How would YOU like to meet allah himself!" Register HERE for a chance of a lifetime and an indefinite stay at the fabulous Hotel Gitmo! Free with every entrant...a box of 72 white Rasins!"
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago
        strike ' an indefinite'. Insert a short stay while travel is being arranged.. They ethink they are going to Paradise so that won't stop them. Add at the bottom of your aviso "Paridise Is God Airlines. Short Ribs Alhumado on Served on Friday. Or somthing of that nature. When you think about we don't have to observe their culture we are not in their country.
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  • Posted by Donald-Brian-Lehoux 7 years, 9 months ago
    Hell yes. Just ask any victim that is always afraid. Islam is evil, Mohamed is a joke and Daesh needs to be dealt with in a manner that is final. Vote veteran someone that puts America B4 any party, we come from all backgrounds. Divide and conquer is what they do. End double standard,DC politician on Obamacare,SS mrpresident2016.com
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  • Posted by bsmith51 7 years, 9 months ago
    Islam is able to prosecute terror to outsiders (infidels) because it strikes fear into the hearts of its own people. It can be argued within Islam that anyone who does not follow the Qu'ran's commands is an apostate, to be marked for death.
    Accordingly, in its present aggressive form, Islam is fundamentally incompatible with western civilization.
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  • Posted by brkssb 7 years, 9 months ago
    Rape is a crime used to foment terrorism. Terrorism is an act of war. Always helpful to define the terms; I elected to use Wikipedia because of social context (aka "popular view"). "Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is defined as the use or threatened use of violence (terror) in order to achieve a political, religious, or ideological aim."
    "In ordinary language, the term crime denotes an unlawful act punishable by a state.[1] The term "crime" does not, in modern criminal law, have any simple and universally accepted definition,[2] though statutory definitions have been provided for certain purposes.[3] The most popular view is that crime is a category created by law; in other words, something is a crime if declared as such by the relevant and applicable law.[2] One proposed definition is that a crime or offence (or criminal offence) is an act harmful not only to some individual or individuals but also to a community, society or the state ("a public wrong"). Such acts are forbidden and punishable by law.[1][4]
    The notion that acts such as murder, rape and theft are to be prohibited exists worldwide.[5]" AND IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE KORAN STATES.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 9 months ago
      From my forays through what's available of the Patriot act only mere suspicion is needed, there are not civil rights attendant much less a trial and the sentence is up to whomever. There are, that I can find no limits to defining neither in decription, deed or physical characterists. No proofs need be offered nor reports filed and kept safely, given the tens of thousands (that was a wild guess as much is classified. Presuming this applies only in the confines of the US and territories It's a question of catch and don't release except in breathing ability. We ordinary citizens 'just don't know.'

      There ionly excuse is that of overwhelming enticement which means striaght off they are not capable of living in the society of human bieings.
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  • Posted by OldScar 7 years, 9 months ago
    Terrorism has the aim of changing your behavior through some form of coercion. These rapes don't aim to change your behavior; they are just business as usual.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
      Curious assessment. A towns women where these systemic rapes are occurring as a matter of "cultural assimilation" certainly do change their behavior and live in daily fear. I'd contend that its the purpose of the refugees to force society into accepting them, their beliefs, as they are, as their religion demands.
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      • Posted by OldScar 7 years, 9 months ago
        The townswomen are being changed but that isn't the intent. The rape was simply asserting the powers delimited in the Koran. The effect on the victims is nearly irrelevant. If they conform, that's all well and good. If they die, that's OK too. All very cold blooded.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 9 months ago
    Yes. It is a deliberate and prescribed tactic for scaring the populace.

    Susan Brownmiller, in Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape, charged that rape, regardless of circumstance, qualified as terrorism in support of an "ideology of male dominance." She couldn't make her case, because no man had written down any kind of "tactical command doctrine" calling for rape as subjugation of all women by all men. But the Qu'ran and the Hadiths do contain just such a tactical command doctrine.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 9 months ago
    Yes it's Terrorism...Terrorism from a pagan barbaric culture that cannot ascent into any sort of conscious conscience...they still live in old testament times and have never grown up.

    They have no control system, no mind to control the little guy...
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    • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 9 months ago
      Terrorism is any act which has the purpose of causing terror in a person. Nearly all rape is of that type and in marriage the terror is used to control the spouse.
      By the way, thanks for mentioning "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind", It's been in my library for about 25 years with a marker where I left off when I went on to other readings. It is quite good.
      The bicameral mind is still there and can be easily accessed as a trance state where one suspends the critical faculty and goes into a selective thinking state. In that state, which all religious minds enter part of the time, logic and reason still works but one does not choose to reason with just true premises, thus anything goes as long as it fits ones beliefs.
      Yes, most religion has the possibility of barbarism as did all the Abrahamic religions before the heavy hand of law and some valid reasoning civilized those other than Islam. Give it another thousand of years and maybe it can change. But for now war is indicated.
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
        Not quite, and somewhat misleading.

        ter·ror·ism
        ˈterəˌrizəm/Submit
        noun
        the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
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        • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 9 months ago
          So there is no politics in personal relationships? Family relationships are the basic learning grounds for politics and in adult relationships politics abound, especially in marriages. How else can two people get along after the courting is over and the emotions have begun to settle down? You do not need a village to not see eye- to-eye and need some, usually, implicit political rules to keep from fighting.
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          • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
            Rape is horrific on an individual level, but hardly political as much as it is about dominance...on a level such as we see being practiced by refugees in Europe, for ideological (political) reasons, its being used to cow a segment of their host society and cause civil unrest, its terrorism. Only slightly are the two related...one a crime, the other - institutionalized and validated terrorism.

            My two bits.
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            • Posted by lrshultis 7 years, 9 months ago
              I am using politics in the following American Heritage Dictionary sense:
              6. (used with a sing. or pl. verb). The often internally conflicting interrelationships among people in a society.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
    I think Islam is basically a violent set of beliefs that are totally against our ideal of individual rights.

    I prefer not to be around muslims. Sorry- this is not politically correct, but I am entitled to me judgments on things. I dont have to feel comfortable around people who profess to kill me because I dont believe their tenets.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
      A religion constructed by a thief and murder to justify his actions and future actions.

      My 2 bits
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      • Posted by term2 7 years, 9 months ago
        and if you arent one of them, you need to die or be killed off
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
          not entirely true..you are welcome to live the life of an inferior - you pay a tax (Jizya), your beliefs can never be made public - voice or displayed, any building related to a non-islamic belief will not be destroyed but can never be repaired.

          http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphil...
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          • Posted by ChestyPuller 7 years, 9 months ago
            AJ, you as well are not entirely true; only people of the book are allowed to live by paying the 'Jizya' and running the risk of being beaten or raped each or any day. We should understand that the Jizya is not a 'tax' as one may believe; its a protection payment to one: prove subservient status and second: can be demanded by 'any' muslim at any time, even multiple times in the same day and if you cannot pay; beatings, destruction of home, rape of females or death is your penalty.

            DO NOT TRY TO LESSEN THE ACTIONS OF islam
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            • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
              I'm no trying to lessen anyones actions, I'm convey what I read as I understand them as told by academic scholars. Before I wrote any commentary related to islam I read about it extensively. While I may not know everything, I am confident that everything I say about it is accurate.

              Including thaty islam acts as religion, social structure, and governing struture for it people. It is not simply a religion and in this way stands apart, just as it does with suicide bombers.
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              • Posted by ChestyPuller 7 years, 9 months ago
                Honestly, you need more study; islam started as a religion in 610AD by 623AD it became a political movement much like Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's of World War II (as an example).

                Again as for Jizya it is only for people of the Book [as explained in the qur'an, sharia, hadith and sira] so non-muslim non-people of the Book had death or conversion.

                Before you claim confidence try reading the qur'an, hadith, sira, sharia and for a true islamic scholar try "23 years" A study of the prophetic career of mohammad written by Ali Dashti [a very high ranking muslim until doind and writing his findings in this book; which is banned in the Middle East from having, printing, or discussing.

                I leave you in hope you gain more confidence in your knowledge of islam; we all need you to be as confident as possible.

                God bless
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  • Posted by chad 7 years, 9 months ago
    Terrorism is the use of fear to coerce people into behavior norms that are desired by the tyrants who would be in charge. Whether through religion or state (they are evil twins and will always usurp the others power when they can) the result is the same. At different times in history different religions have had the power of the state and none ever sidestepped using the authority or the use of violence to get their desired behaviors. Lacking the ability of the states monopoly of using force religions still use fear, 'if you do not behave you are going to hell!' which they cannot even prove they can accomplish (or promise of heaven), reading 'The Age of Reason' when I was young Thomas Paine had convinced me within the first few pages that religion is at best hypocritical at worst destructive of humankind. Give a religion the power of using violence to control its 'subjects' and any religion will quickly reveal its desire of subjugation. Are there good 'Islamists' who have no desire to use violence, yes, will Islam as a religion use violence and force to get its way when it can, yes and many of the good Islamists will go along with it because they will feel it is their duty. Get the Ayn Rand Lexicon and read the definition of duty and how it compromises morality.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 7 years, 9 months ago
    I think it is more about the lack of respect for women that Islam teaches. Under Islam, a woman is 1 half of 1 man, so if you are one of the 20-something single males that made up the preponderance of the arab immigrants to Europe, horny, and the white European women are not putting out for the sand fleas with body odor issues, then rape or assault is the next measure in their mind.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 9 months ago
      Subjugation. They believe that they can impose their way on others AND expect it to be respected. The regularity and widespread nature of the occurrences shows a pattern of deliberate willfulness which would be an act of terror.

      My 2 bits.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 years, 9 months ago
    Another indication these people are not ready for self-governance and democracy. Bush and Cheney were fools. They aren't ready and don't want it.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 7 years, 9 months ago
    The only place that these acts of violence against women in the european countries is reported in Pamel Geller's News Letter which I get via email everyday. It should be reported by the mainstream media so American's should be aware that amoung moslem refugees to the USA there will be these sub-humans amoung them. The Islamic culture for the most part is incompatible with Western Culture. Plus they are illiterate to our way of life but because of their lack of education about the world. They are from mostly a tribal culture and been living that for thousand of years. Send them all to Africa!
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 9 months ago
    A month or so ago I read of an escaped sex slave's related for an article conversation with her ISIS captor.
    Since that captor was getting anything he wanted out of her and some others anyway, she asked, "Why are you treating us so badly?"
    The captor said he treated them badly because he hoped they would (be inspired to?) convert and become his brand of Muslims.
    So methinks by extension these refugee boneheaded barbarians misconstrue Islamic rape as a terrorist conversion tool toward their dreamed of worldwide caliphate.
    It does not matter that they flee Muslims who are more bloodthirsty than they are.
    That would be entering a common sense perspective into their I get to grope equation.
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  • Posted by ChestyPuller 7 years, 9 months ago
    While islam is a political movement and NOT A RELIGION; It changed in or around 623AD to a militaristic/political movement. That being said the laws of sharia and the books [qur'an, hadith and sira] speak plainly of the 'raping' of a non-muslim (Kafir); islamic imam's speak that a Kafir woman is outside the law, they can be raped without risk of legal recourse. Imam's also explain, as do the books of islam that it MUST BE EXPANDED, and one way to do this is with fathering muslim children and common law decrees that the child follows the citizenship of the FATHER, so raping a Kafir helps to further islam. This action has been pushed to such an extent that islamic leaders created a rape game called 'taharrush' for muslim men to enjoy; it is a vicious game where many times the woman is ripped apart or at least severely beaten and raped multiple times.

    Rape in this regard is not for terrorism, but for expanding a political movement.

    Think about this; could islam be a religion if the plan is to expand through any means total takeover of the world and its wealth? Were communism, fascism (Nazi Germany)religion's or political movements; is the takeover of land a religious or political action?

    We must understand what the enemy of our society is in order to understand how to explain, teach and beat it.
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