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    Posted by 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, the more you say, the less I believe you. You're just digging yourself in deeper at this point.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Where did you read anyone assert that the assault was justified?

    CTYankee is inaccurate, however. Men dressed as women shouldn't be an issue since women commonly dress like men nowadays. These were men *pretending* to be women. Another thing entirely. (an example; Eddie Izzard commonly dresses as a woman, but he doesn't try to pretend to be a woman).

    Still doesn't justify assault. But it does explain it.
    A woman walking alone down a dark alley in a Florida town during spring break, in a bikini, doesn't justify her subsequent assault and rape... but it does explain it.
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  • Posted by RonC 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    for me, confusion about sexual identity is against nature. I don't understand it. I also don't understand gambling addiction, suicide, and day trading the stock market. I think there are some things it's ok not to have a full understanding of. Please take that in a libertarian context. It's not my business who people fall in love with or how they express their love. And my life requires a bit of privacy and modesty.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes; they don't want to admit there's something wrong with them, they've been culturally conditioned to believe that there's nothing wrong with them, and therefore they need validation from "normal" people that they are, in fact, "normal".

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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    By a "science" that won't recognize homosexuality as an illness. More politics than science, methinks.

    Diabetes has its origins in biology and genetics, too. That doesn't keep it from being a disease in need of proper treatment. Indulging a diabetic in the delusion that they're normal, and therefore can eat an entire German chocolate cake without consequences is the equivalent of mutilating and perverting a person's body rather than treating that disorder.

    And you're being disingenuous... not *all* sexual deviancy is a result of biology and genetics; probably not even most, I suspect. But, you want to hide the majority behind the skirts of the minority.

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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    "you can't yell "Fire" in a theater or public venue unless there is a fire. "

    And once again that bastard Holmes claims another rhetorical victim.

    Yes... you *can*, per the Constitution. Only if there is property damage or someone is injured as a result should there be any repercussions for shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater that is not on fire.

    I'm not a liberal, but you can say anything you wish... in the public arena. The 1st Amendment specifically prohibits the government from preventing you.

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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    "passing judgement on others because of their looks"... prejudice is a survival instinct. I pass judgment based on looks all the time. But, you go ahead and pet a rattlesnake if you want to. I'm not going to waste time trying to determine if what looks like a rattlesnake is a harmless bull snake; I'm killing the darn snake.

    If you don't want to be judged negatively for your looks... then *choose* a look that reflects positive qualities. Choose not to pierce your body. Choose not to use it as a graffiti wall. Choose to groom yourself in a respectable way.

    There's a difference between judging somebody because he wears clothes that don't fit, and judging somebody because he doesn't pull his darned oversized, overpriced pants back up over his ass. The former indicates poverty; the latter indicates a lack of good judgment and weak character.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    In this particular case, quite accurate. The person is a very capable and knowledgeably scientist with great respect for his work. His personal problems for wanting to be a woman do not concern me or most other people there. Outside of my family, I really don't care who is a man or who is a woman. But when a person clearly and deliberately tries to provoke others through vulgar dress and various little actions and then immediately runs to management to complaint about everyone else, who should others threat them. Basically, not getting closer then the length of a ten foot pole. It seems like a very clear cut picture to me - this person needs to prove something to everyone. So, the issue is the behavior, not the gender. As to why he feels the need to prove something - I really don't care.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    When you say "it is against nature," what are you referring to, exactly? Pornography or transsexualism? The way you worded your sentence was unclear.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    For some reason, I have a sneaking suspicion that you're not giving me an accurate picture...
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  • Posted by 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Transexualism is a scientifically recognized medical condition with verified origins in biology and genetics. It is not a "denial of reality." Do some research on a topic before you speak out about it. :P
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  • Posted by CTYankee 11 years, 1 month ago
    Bizarre, and inaccurate. There were no women assaulted, they were men dressed like women. Perhaps the other passengers cheered because they were unimpressed with the carryings-on of the people involved. Most people still enjoy the circus.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The one person in my office that I talked about above has chosen to wear vulgar closing and to act as provocatively as possible. Those are choices that the person makes.
    When one purposefully acts provocatively, he shouldn't be surprised at the response. Unfortunately, the current legislation makes them a protected species and instead of being rebuffed for a specific behavior, others have to bear it, until it blows up as it did in Atlanta.
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  • Posted by aogilmore 11 years, 1 month ago
    Of course assault was not warranted but it did look like the fat woman (the trans?) was taunting a group of men. It is unclear if s/he actually initiated physical contact. This video is not real clear. Doesn't MARTA keep video in all trains? Most transit agencies do. This needs to be reviewed before folks start taking sides and making accusations of LGBT hatred by the city. In fact, another article on the referenced site lists Atlanta as one of the most "gay friendly" cities, right behind San Francisco.
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  • Posted by Abaco 11 years, 1 month ago
    That's too bad. But, people need to understand how eager and willing our fellow Americans often are to assault others, strip them down of their freedoms, liberty, clothing, etc. This doesn't surprise me at all.
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  • Posted by mckenziecalhoun 11 years, 1 month ago
    Ethics are ethics. Either you have them and apply them even to those whom you disagree with, or you don't.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    That depends on how well a transgender individual blends in with the rest of the population. Most do typically try to present in a way that is as gender normative as possible, though some can't pass even if they wanted to.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 11 years, 1 month ago
    Shameful. Shameful that so many bystanders lacked the courage to stand up for them.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 11 years, 1 month ago
    If I may...

    Appalled - is an understatement. Felonious assault against someone for a strangers personal life? And the crowd cheering? How 4th grader bully schoolyard are these adults? Betcha they have every justification for assaulting and prejudging these 2 people who were probably minding their own business... Who, like you, woke up that morning thinking how great it is to be alive...

    I was wondering... what if it was your daughter, instead of these 2 strangers? She had put her hair in spikes to be silly, just this one time. And those people thought she was some "deviant anarchist punk, probably some dyke, that deserved it"?
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