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The British are leaving the British are leaving!

Posted by $ richrobinson 4 years, 4 months ago to The Gulch: General
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The vote heard around the world. Kudos to the British people for getting this right. A lot of establishment forces lined up against them. Curious to see what happens next...


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  • Posted by $ blarman 4 years, 4 months ago
    The markets are going crazy and at least two other nations' movements for exit have taken major boosts.

    What many don't realize is that this is just a step. Now comes the 1-2 year process of negotiating the actual exit itself. I think it is safe to say from the market's reaction, however, that there is a fair amount of upheaval.
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  • Posted by $ Daniel_Maranello 4 years, 4 months ago
    Personally I think they should never have got into bed with Europe in the first place. However, now it will be interesting to see what Scotland does by way of separation from the UK. They are in the same position as Britain was to the EU after all in terms of self determination and sovereignty.
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    • Posted by $ 4 years, 4 months ago
      That would be interesting. I have heard this could take up to 2 years to negotiate and complete. My first thought was why and that's a good enough reason to get out. Scotland could hold a vote in that time frame and really muddy the waters.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 4 years, 4 months ago
    Excellent news...unlike the unconstitutional reaction that happened in the US, secession doesn't seem to be causing a civil war with the EU. Welcome back to autonomy GB, now get your house in order by cleaning up your muslim mess before it corrodes your culture more than it already has.

    my 2 bits.
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    • Posted by $ 4 years, 4 months ago
      They have a long way to go but this is a good first step. FOX was interviewing tony Blair this morning. My opinion is that he appeared to be shell shocked. How could the people want something other than what they were told to want???
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      • Posted by Exitstageright 4 years, 4 months ago
        Subject: The National Post this morning

        Rex Murphy: Results of the Brexit referendum is a rebuke to Western elites
        It’s an old concept I grant you, but nonetheless worth restating. If you want to know what people really think and feel about an issue, have them vote on it, have a referendum. It’s a principle we might want to hang on to in Canada, if it comes to changing how we vote. But for now the most firm illustration of its wisdom is the just-known results of the Brexit referendum.



        The often-ignored, sometimes quite rudely deplored British people have spoken and, to the horror of enlightened opinion, respectable party leaders, the ever-guiding liberal intelligentsia, have decided they don’t want “in” the European Union. The vote comes as a mighty shock to broad-minded continentalists and supranationalists everywhere, but particularly the high elites of British politics. The Guardian’s readership will need special help — grief counsellors are already overwhelmed.



        The EU vote is the most dramatic illustration to date of how the “guiding elites” of many Western countries have lost the fealty and trust of their populations. Of the gap between ordinary citizens, facing the challenges of daily life, and the swaddled, well-off and pious tribes of those who govern them, and increasingly govern them with a mixture of moralistic superiority and witless condescension.



        ut a decade ago, “Euroskeptics” were a slender group, derided by their betters as xenophobes and bigots, a splinter faction of regressive nationalists and illiberal tribalists. That, at least, was the approved version from on high. And from those smug heights, they dismissed with icy contempt the concerns of ordinary people that the “EU project” was draining their national identity, dissolving centuries-old democratic systems, and forcing their submission to an alien, unelected and unaccountable Brussels super-government.



        Above all, they dismissed concerns about changing the nature of their country by the new rules on immigration, and the abolition of all borders between the ancient states of Europe.

        The Europe-firsters of the British establishment — journalistic, academic and political — were essentially taking the hoary line of Gertrude Stein about Oakland — “There is no there, there” — and telling the broad mass of one of the oldest, most successful nation-states the world has ever seen, that such was Great Britain.

        Events in Libya, and Syria, and the mass migration from the Middle East flowing from the disasters of those and other countries, continued global Islamic terror, the gruesome attacks on London’s streets, and in Paris and Brussels, too, accelerated and intensified the concern and alarm of those who saw their country drifting away from them, losing its coherence, shedding its core identity.



        There are lessons here for the U.S., particularly now with the emergence of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders in the presidential campaign. Barack Obama shocked a great slice of the American public with his executive order (since suspended by the Supreme Court) — a pure fiat from the Oval Office — to exempt five million illegal aliens, what Time magazine described as “the largest single immigration action in modern American history.” He did this with a wave of his imperious pen. It was a decree less fit for a president than an emperor, a clear flight of that “Caesarism” which all good Obamaphiles prefer to see only in demon Trump.



        It was effected without the consultations and accommodations with a concerned electorate that should always precede great changes in a nation’s character and circumstance. Nothing gave more of an uplift to Trump and Sanders (they’ve both been riding the same wave of distrust of the governing class) than Obama’s highhanded and supercilious dismissal of working-class worries on immigration.

        Obama also bears not a little blame — if blame is the word — for the Brexit vote. His inactions in Syria, his famous declaration of the “red line” and the retreat from it, coupled with the mess of his (and Hillary Clinton’s) intervention in Libya, are heavily responsible for the great migratory convulsions of the Middle East.

        To cap things off, during his trip to Britain during the referendum, Obama warned that if the country were to leave the EU, in any future trade deal it “would be at the back of the queue.” This was seen both as interference and an insult. The words of a Telegraph columnist capture the sentiment this intrusion provoked: “(T)he condescending tones that Mr. Obama used (may produce) the reverse effect” from the one intended.

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        Indeed. There is a price for governing from on high, for being detached from voters’ expressed concerns and anxieties, and for characterizing those concerns and anxieties always as small-minded, or proceeding only from anti-liberal biases, or xenophobia and racism. Might it not also be possible that people in turbulent times, in an uncertain economy, increasingly apprehensive that their leaders are not listening to them and do not care to listen, will finally decline to follow those leaders? David Cameron has just now learned that the hard way. He has announced his resignation as prime minister.
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        • Posted by $ 4 years, 4 months ago
          Excellent. I heard that VP Biden accused the BREXIT supporters of racism. The turnout was high and it just seems foolish to even try and accuse that many people of being racist.
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          • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 years, 4 months ago
            The labeling that Suzanne43 refers to and the labeling by Biden of racism , permits the sheep to
            Not explore the real problem. The real problem is that people have opinions based on facts and the reality of behavior that is threatening to them.
            Want to fix racism fix the bad behavior.
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            • Posted by jetmec 4 years, 4 months ago
              People have a right to be racist if they want to be
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              • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 years, 4 months ago
                No argument from me they can do anything they want as long as it does'nt interfere with anyone's personal liberty . Racism in it self is ignorance , Ayn Rand hated racism.
                Being mindful of a certain group or cults because of threatening beliefs or behavior is not racism , nor is pointing out flaws in character and recommending adoption of stronger ethics that lead to a successful contributer to self and family.
                Recommending how to live a responsible productive life. That is the basis for the PC leftists
                To call one a racist and to me even worse Uncle Tom if the suggestion comes from a black person.
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  • Posted by tkstone 4 years, 4 months ago
    While I am all for the Brexit, I am concerned with how the vote is bring portrayed as being isolationist and uncooperative. When in reality it should be viewed as being a against coercion. The powers that be will be vilifying this result for some time. However, I think the German response stating that of course it is in the interests of both parties to have free trade between them even if they are not part of the union is very telling. Free trade can work with out coercive powers. Actually it only works without coercion.
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    • Posted by $ 4 years, 4 months ago
      Excellent points. There will be a period of time where the losers tell us awful it will be. I heard someone say this morning they aren't leaving Europe. That is physically impossible. They are leaving a failed economic system.
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    • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 years, 4 months ago
      Expect the looters to use every possible shenanigan, fair and unfair, to both accomplish their objectives and keep us from accomplishing ours. This is one of the great lessons of Atlas Shrugged.
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  • Posted by $ Flootus5 4 years, 4 months ago
    As many are saying, kudos to the Brits. This is significant. However, for a couple of weeks now, I have been reading that this move is still subject to a Parliamentary vote of approval. With a 52 to 48% margin, which if it were in favor of the libs and globalist collectivists would be considered a "mandate", if Parliament defies the "will of the people", this could get very interesting.
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    • Posted by $ 4 years, 4 months ago
      Interesting is putting it mildly. Absolutely right that a vote like that in their favor would have put the issue to rest. Against simply means they go to plan B.
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      • Posted by $ Flootus5 4 years, 4 months ago
        G.Edward Griffin just characterized it as The End of the Beginning, not The Beginning of the End. Clearly alluding to dear old Winston.
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        • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 years, 4 months ago
          He has an interview that all should hear. In his interview it is revealed that The beginning was in 1908 we should be so fortunate if this is the end of the beginning.
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          • Posted by $ Flootus5 4 years, 4 months ago
            I assume he was talking about the Creature from Jekyll Island?
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            • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 years, 4 months ago
              That was a few years later I think 1914.
              No it was with Norman Dodd just before he died in
              1987. Easy to find when you have time I say a must see for all lovers of freedom. it explains 2 issues unsound banking and unamerican activities of non- profits.
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              • Posted by $ Flootus5 4 years, 4 months ago
                That Norman Dodd connection sounds really interesting and worth looking into to. And see what he is saying about 1908. I hope it is not a "Dodd" connection?

                The "Creature" of course was born in part from the then recent financial panic of 1907 - actually just the most recent salvo of crises designed to create a central bank - leading to the Jekyll Island confab, the election of Wilson in 1912 and the creation of the Fed Reserve in 1913. Probably implemented in 1914, like you say.
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                • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 years, 4 months ago
                  My understanding is those financial panics were created to show a need for a central bank , when the plan had taken root they then promoted a unacceptable solution and then came in with their real intent the fed reserve solution as more palatable . I believe the famous pilots father Sen Lindbergh warned vehemently against the central bank.
                  It reminds me of the ACA.
                  They lied lied lied and said the fed reserve would keep banks from failing --------16 years later every bank in the country failed.
                  My father in law told of going to the bank with his father and the door was padlocked and all their savings gone!
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                • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 years, 4 months ago
                  I am not sure what a Dodd connection is.
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                  • Posted by $ Flootus5 4 years, 4 months ago
                    Christopher Dodd, eminent CT senator and son of Thomas Dodd of the Nuremberg Trials, is part of the Dodd-Frank Act of recent origin. That has been, as usual, a regulatory POS.

                    I am just hoping your Norman Dodd reference has nothing to do with this particular lineage of influence.
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                    • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 years, 4 months ago
                      No sir. I would call Norman Dodd a hero and Christopher Dodd a statist puppet who is an example of why these public servants should be allowed one term 4 years and goodbye.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 4 years, 4 months ago
    The Brits against leaving the EU sound eerily like those voicing their disapproval of Trump. The vote was very close which probably means that there will be much controversy over the next few weeks about the legitimacy of the vote. I personally cannot understand the theory behind an EU. Are they trying to copy the United States? If so, even a child could point out that conditions, and traditions are radically different. Gonna be a fun ride for Jolly Old for the next few months.
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  • Posted by salta 4 years, 4 months ago
    Cameron stepping down seems odd, as if he could never work in the service of the people, once the people's wishes are made clear.
    I fully expected him to make the exit process as painful as possible, then have another referendum to try to reverse the decision next year.
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    • Posted by Riftsrunner 4 years, 4 months ago
      Actually, the 'remain' faction has already attempted to have the whole vote thrown out on there wasn't enough voters (they claim that less than 75% of eligible voters voted and for it to be legitimate that percent or more was needed). They have also petitioned their government to just ignore it as it really wasn't a binding vote to actually force the country to leave. So I guess if you lose, just keep trying to get a vote until you get your wanted results (that's where democracy get you).

      As to Cameron resigning, he f'd up. He was trying to use the referendum to isolate a rogue faction in the government and disenfranchise them. He knew they would push for the 'leave' option and thinking that there was a huge constituency against leaving the EU he could discredit them and secure his power base. Unfortunately, the referendum passed. In the UK parliament, when a minority party is in control they need to maintain confidence in their rule or parliament could desolve and a new general election has to be held to reform the parliament. (Since 2011 they have 14 days to reform a coalition to prevent this). So if Cameron remained, a vote of no confidence could be called and trigger a new general election which the 2011 law was enacted to try to make the general election more or less an every 5 year thing instead of a random could happen anytime event.
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      • Posted by $ Daniel_Maranello 4 years, 4 months ago
        The "Remain" losers are symptomatic of their broken and illiterate philosophical premise. Like the white female who claims she is a black woman because she "thinks" so, or Bruce Jenner thinking he is a woman (still sporting a penis though) then if you vote to get out, lets just ignore that and pretend the other side got it wrong, they didn't vote correctly, they misread the forms, the weather kept the voters at home, whatever. They want to believe A is actually B. It will be interesting to watch how Britain now handles their newly claimed Independence..
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    • Posted by $ 4 years, 4 months ago
      Agreed. It's pretty clear his decision was made ahead of the vote. I thought sure when I read a few days ago that BREXIT support was falling that the fix was in. The markets reacted positively and my guess was that the average persons vote wouldn't matter. I was surprised to see it go this way.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 4 years, 4 months ago
    I am thrilled to see Great Britain throw off the shackles of government oppression....especially as an expatriate Brit. However, lets not get too excited. The only reason the leave campaign was successful was that Brussels does not give checks to any voter in England. If Brussels had been smart they would have the various EU countries bundle all the social services money and issue it on EU checks. Then no majority could ever be persuaded to leave the EU. Instead Brussels and the EU was seen as the agent of waves of alien invaders and taxes and expense. The only argument that they had was some version of the standard liberal argument IE:..."you are a stupid racist homophobe and are too ignorant to know what is good for you, you should listen to us the erudite elite, we know what is best for you."

    Why the liberal voter falls for this line all the time I really don't understand, maybe it is the cheque they get......Brussels just wasn't sending the cheque!
    I am hopeful thought that this is s bell weather of the future.
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    • Posted by $ 4 years, 4 months ago
      Excellent point. If this vote is somehow over turned it is unlikely they will make that mistake again. Control retirement and health care and you pretty much have your foot on people's air hose.
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  • Posted by term2 4 years, 4 months ago
    I think it's great the people spoke. People, 1. Establishment, 0. Political manipulation lost, as did establishment control.

    Give 6 months and things will be better overall. Customers in EU will still buy British goods
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    • Posted by $ 4 years, 4 months ago
      The establishment isn't accepting defeat at the moment. I hope they don't try to change the outcome or things could get ugly. (I mean violence and not Hillary getting elected.)
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      • Posted by term2 4 years, 4 months ago
        I really thought Obama was going to get assassinated for his arrogant and entitled thrusting of blacks upon the country. But it didn't happen probably because of political correctness. He was a very bad president as it turns out

        The establishment is trying very hard to discredit trump to protect their power structure. He doesn't have political correctness to protect him If the system didn't permit his election through dirty tricks or assassination, the system will lose the support of a LOT of people. That means a de facto revolution. Probably a civil war between entitled people and producers. It will be the entitled people who will turn violent as the producers stop funding them
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  • Posted by Esceptico 4 years, 4 months ago
    The Brits left the EU the way the South tried to leave the US. Will the EU have a leader like Lincoln who prized power enough to begin a war, murder non-combatants, and scorch the earth? I hope not. Meanwhile, maybe the South will rise again — or some of the states will. My, but that would present an interesting backdrop to the current election season.
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    • Posted by $ 4 years, 4 months ago
      I see a lot of issues that could ultimately result in rioting and violence. I hope it doesn't come to that but the existing power structure is being rejected. That seldom ends quietly.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 4 years, 4 months ago
    The Brits have caused a major upheaval in the world's financial markets by voting to abandon the EU. Everyone has a theory of where to place the blame and how to foresee the ultimate outcome. Obama tried to tell the English how to vote (a really dumb move), alien immigration and crossing unprotected borders, onerous regulations coming out of Brussels, Heavy taxation with little or no return, and just a general discomfort regarding the loss of sovereignty have all been blamed. While each of these is a mitigating factor I think I have identified the last straw that did permanent damage to the camel. When the bureaucrats in Brussels outlawed the Brits favorite electric tea pots and toasters they signed the death warrant for EU participation. Anyone that knows anything about the British knows how seriously they take tea. It has been both a national symbol and a vital part of British culture since long before the American revolution. Anyone that threatens their tea does so at their own peril. The British are a resilient people but even they have a breaking point and compromising their Earl Gray is clearly a step too far. That is something up with which they shall not put.
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    • Posted by $ Dobrien 4 years, 4 months ago
      Major upheaval in the worlds financial markets were caused by unsound banking and lending practices , runaway entitlements leftist regressives and the loss of freedom. The people say FOF like
      Alex Epstein.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 4 years, 4 months ago
    I suspect the French will be next. With the departure of the UK as a balancing force, the EU will be muscled around by the robust German economy, reviving the hostile French-German relationship. Once that happens, the EU is definitely toast. Is that a disaster? I think not, as Europe can still keep the free market conditions, which were really what created a relatively strong economic picture for the continent.

    We might see a Celtic union, formed by an independent Scotland and a unified Ireland. That would pare Great Britain down to "Not so Great" Britain, consisting of England, Wales, and Cornwall (hardly ever mentioned - the Cornish get no respect). The big item of contention there would be rights to North Sea oil revenue, which the Scots want the lion's share of if they split.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 4 years, 4 months ago
      Could be when Great Britain became separately Scotland, Wales, Ireland, and England what a year ago they allowed for that. I've often found EU boring with nothing in my passport to show much of anything. Like modern day TShirts they only show you went to the store or Good Will.
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    • Posted by $ 4 years, 4 months ago
      The French people have been living with their decision to elect a Socialist. I think they would definitely be ripe for a move like this. Good theory on the Celtic Union. If its going to happen now would be the time.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 4 years, 4 months ago
    Since I was born there and still hold dual About time and should have done it a long time ago. I hope you mean British establishment however. Ours doesn't count for squat once you pass the three mile limit. Or even on this side of the border.
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  • Posted by basalyga1 4 years, 4 months ago
    Cheering for the Brits! Great reminder of our revolution. Maybe of the revolution to come, not the Berne kind, I hope. My liberal friends posted that they really didn't mean to exit the EU. They were just sending a message that got carried away... spin spin spin.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 4 years, 4 months ago
      Nope they are serious the economics means they surivive alone or die together. Still a good idea perhaps for the tiny countries but not with the sponge countries involved.
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  • Posted by $ Temlakos 4 years, 4 months ago
    Paul Craig Roberts warned that the EU would make things difficult during the breakaway process. He recommended David Cameron get the bum's rush now. Today. This instant. Same with the breakaway: don't stretch it out for two years. Just declare unilaterally that all cooperation is at an end.
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