The God Question
As some of you know, there are a number of people in the gulch who follow a religion, but also follow the principles of Objectivism. At least that is what they say. The following is an except from Rand which clearly states her position when it comes to God. I would be interested to know how the religionists get that square peg into the trapezoid hole.
"They claim that they perceive a mode of being superior to your existence on this earth.---To exist is to possess identity. What identity are they able to give to their superior realm? They keep telling us what it is not, but never tell us what it is. All their identifications consist of negating: God is that which no human mind can know, they say - and demand that you consider that knowledge-God is non-man, heaven is non-earth, soul is non-body, virtue is non-profit, A is non-A, perception is non-sensory, knowledge is non-reason. Their definitions are not acts of defining, but of wiping out."
There's more, lots more, but knowing this, I would be interested in finding out how one can claim Objectivism as a philosophy while holding a religion as a philosophy as well.
"They claim that they perceive a mode of being superior to your existence on this earth.---To exist is to possess identity. What identity are they able to give to their superior realm? They keep telling us what it is not, but never tell us what it is. All their identifications consist of negating: God is that which no human mind can know, they say - and demand that you consider that knowledge-God is non-man, heaven is non-earth, soul is non-body, virtue is non-profit, A is non-A, perception is non-sensory, knowledge is non-reason. Their definitions are not acts of defining, but of wiping out."
There's more, lots more, but knowing this, I would be interested in finding out how one can claim Objectivism as a philosophy while holding a religion as a philosophy as well.
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"How one can claim Objectivism as a philosophy while holding a religion as a philosophy as well?"
Philosophy's scope is the problem of universals.
What is universally true for all people for all time? Any attempt to address that domain, regardless of its competence, is an attempt of philosophy. Most are not comprehensive, fully integrated and testable in reality. That's what distinguished Objectivism.
These universal factors are the common base upon which all the individual sciences and other disciplines sit. It is the common foundation.
Aristotle's seminal identifications of - what is, is; and it can only act according to it's nature, gives us all science, validity and freedom. It permits all of us to work with a common understand for words that we act on so we can collaborate effectively.
Delivering the news, Carlin, the newscaster moves on to his next story: "Scientists today report the discovery of a new number. It lies somewhere between 6 and 7. They have named the new number, "Bleen."
He who asserts the existence of a positive assumes the burden of proof of its validity. Its validity does not rest with the inability of someone else to disprove it. I do not yet know the cause of the universe. When I discover it, or am provided with the evidence for same, I will have discovered that it is but a part of the universe, and of course, will have simply moved the question one step further away (or nearer), your choice.........
Note, I am involve in work that no one has attempted seriously with any sort of integration of academic subjects...My cross to bear...so to speak...
Everything there, except perhaps "Bicameral" can be looked up and has a specific definition, ie, Quantum Event, Quantum Entanglements, Families of Quantum Entanglements, mysticism...etc.
Now, I, Like Julian Jaynes use Bicameral to describe "Pre-Conscious" man...meaning man was not aware of his own awareness...ex, not knowing the voice in his head was his own and Not some invisible entity speaking from outside himself. Of course when bicameral is used in relation to the brain, it's simple 2 parts, split left and right with different functions.
Are those "10 simple rules" the Juedo-Christian Ten Commandments?
If so, I suggest you read them again with the perspective of one question: How many advocate blind obedience to an arbitrary, self-proclaimed authority and how many offer good advice? I find that point of view very revealing.
Remember, every successful lier wraps their gotchas in a lot of truth. If they didn't they would get no attention or presumption of respect.
I recommend using the AynRandLexicon.com site for some detailed understanding of Objectivism, concept formation, truth, reason, and much more.
If it interests you...look up what a "Quantum Event" is...it has a specific description and definition...it's a couple of pages long...but it's Awesome!
It may help you to see Ayn Rand's, "Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology" - her theory of concepts.
That holds people accountable to indicate the facts of reality that an abstraction, a concept, subsumes. It's all about the role of concepts to take the infinite detail of the world and group that detail into mentally manageable, named groupings. Epistemology teaches how to do that competently.
The first identification to establish the necessity of this is to observe that we can only hold a few units in focal consciousness at once. Concepts are how we leverage this limited capacity.
Rand's great strength is her uncommon honesty and clarity of thought - identifying essentials from all the noise of other detail. It's not that such detail is not important, but it's not the distinguishing characteristics that help us understand. Still, it is important to understand that all that detail is the referent for the concept. That distinction between referents and definitions is an important principle. "Chairs" can refer to all the chairs in sight, in the world, in the history of the world and in the future. All that scope in one mental unit. AND, the referees is all those actual and potential chairs with all their details.
Let's get real!
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Theists claim the existence of one or more gods, and also assume that such god(s) take an active part in human affairs: answering prayers, tormenting the Wicked in Hell after they die, making sure a college football player who loves Jesus catches a particular forward pass, sending a tornado to destroy a town of nice people for mysterious reasons according to his inscrutable will.
Deists hold that a supreme being created the universe with all intentions realized, but does not take an active role in the preordained activities. Essentially, created the universe and pushed the Run button.
So theists get more personally involved: Telescopes are built by man, man is fallible, telescopes are the work of the devil, Galileo had to spend the rest of his life under house arrest (with threat of torture) unless he denounced his discovery that disproved the Church’s notion, “The Heavens are fixed and immutable.” Theists torture the non-believer, behead the Wicked, or shoot homosexuals on behalf of their gods.
Deists don’t get upset when a scientist discovers their god’s mysteries and invents a lightning rod to keep common homes safe from lightning. The Evil will receive divine punishment eventually. Just take care in the mean time to lock up the robbers, murderers, snake oil salesmen (present major-party presidential candidate excepted), influence peddlers/money launderers (present other major-party presidential candidate excepted), brutals, and other breakers of Man’s laws.
Not under argument: Pantheists believe that all of reality is identical with divinity and god is all-encompassing rather than a distinct personal or anthropomorphic being.
Atheists reject the notion of natural and/or supernatural deities.
[Full disclosure: I am personally in this group. For me, the sun rising in the morning requires no deities—not the Aztec Lord of the Dawn Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli nor the Egyptian sun god Ra encompassing literally the long and short of it.]
Both theistic and non-theistic persons include destructive individuals. Historically, the theistic-motivated ones, and in modern times, those who attach to The State a godlike authority, effect congregated massive destruction, with millions of victims. Non-theist bad-actors generally cause damage at a personal scale with usually no more than tens of victims.
I've watched eagle-like ospreys glide about and dive for fish at a lake my family has a house by in the Florida Panhandle.
That said, my response with take a bit of time to craft well, so I promise to respond later at a more conducive opportunity.
Cheers,
Simple stupid right?
What part of any of this is not related to a reality we all might desire?
Just was off seeing whether some of your relatives had returned for some fish lately at:
http://www.dceaglecam.org/
I had not looked into taxonomy for decades. I see that birds have a Clade of dinosauria now so those eagles are modern dinosaurs but not quite like an allosaur.
Just like how Ayn Rand predicted!
The only thing she left out was the let's make nice to Muslims who hate and will kill us anyway part.
Mankind at the time, not being aware of one's own awareness could not complete a quantum event without some outside trigger event.
It was obvious that mankind thought long and hard upon how to be good and successful without all the waring, killing and oppression they experienced.
These quantum events might very well be the results of quantum entanglements.
There is a whole lot more to it...it'll take an entire book to explain...one inwhich I'm working on. It takes the integration of many academic subjects to achieve. Once integration's have been made it is difficult to disassemble them into the proper order of events.
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