What is Galt's Gultch, really?

Posted by coaldigger 9 years, 11 months ago to History
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I have been reading a number of new biographies of founding fathers and Lynne Cheney’s “James Madison-A Life Reconsidered” strikes me as having special relevance to current events (I see intent on the part of the author and her spouse.) A common theme for each bio to me is that a number of great men that could have been successful in their chosen lives, risked everything, absorbed unbelievable public abuse and loss of fortune to create a Republic based on unalienable, individual rights.
This has caused me to wonder what did Rand really mean by Galt’s Gultch? I have, like most, always thought that it was a “solution” where men of the mind went on strike to rid themselves of the leaches that had usurped the power to control society on the false premise of altruism. The strategy was to let the system collapse quickly so there would still be producers that could rebuild it. I have never known a John Galt-like person and he always seemed to be a character out of Marvel Comics. I have known a few people like Hank and Dagny that held out until the end and I find them most believable.
What if Galt’s Gultch is not a “solution” but a “warning”? A warning to the leaches that they are driving the producers into hiding mentally, not physically, and gradually instead of abruptly. A warning to the men of the mind that they cannot afford to focus on being producers of goods and services but that they must lay down their science books like Jefferson and Franklin, their academic pursuits like Madison and Monroe their production of commercial goods like Washington, their financial acumen, like Hamilton and get into the realm of the political refurbishing of our Great Experiment in self-government.
I have always thought that politics was so corrupt and dirty that no truly qualified person would ever seek elected office. Perhaps too many have been of a like mind.


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  • Posted by flanap 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are saying there is no problem with the population; however, the problem is when those in power to do something about reducing the population have the power to do so. They also have a problem with average man...but so does God.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't know that there's been any significant brain drain from any of those nations. Certainly not China, not India, Not Ireland nor Canada nor Germany. I'm not sure about NZ or Sweden, but each is rather insignificant. Do you really think that the UK is on a rebound? The only thing that has benefitted them is staying out of the Euro. But culturally they are falling apart.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    not all producers-but many. No one wants to lose a cutting edge geneticist to Ireland or a biometrics expert to Australia or a top cancer researcher to Switzerland. I posted in the Gulch one time a chart of where the Nobel prizes in the top scientific fields went over the last 50 years. The US still has the highest percentage but that is beginning to shrink. Why? Who Is John Galt?
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The perfect irony would be to build the summer Atlantis over the ruins of Starnesville.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He's a little south of me. The absolutely perfect location in WI would be Mindoro...it's near LaCrosse.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I believe flanap is saying that some critics of AS think that is the message of AS, and I think flanap believes this is, in fact, the agenda of the "shadow elite" in the real world.
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  • Posted by Zero 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Who's reducing the population by 80%? That's not an OBJ position. There is no population problem. Nor a problem with the average man.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You make a few interesting points, coaldigger. As an example, a good friend of mine is a deacon at a local Catholic church and runs a place where the homeless not only can get a dinner but also get some life coaching to get employed again. He wanted me and others to participate in a golf tournament fundraiser tomorrow for his charity. As effective as his charity has been at get life's loafers back into productive society, I just had to turn down going golfing (even though I really enjoy golf). It was a really tough battle against altruism because I did have a self-interest (golf) and, despite the altruistic nature of the charity, this charity at least was doing work to reduce the number of moochers.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 11 months ago
    The Gulch is a place where persons understand that if there is to be product, (which is what people live on), there must be a free mind.
    Most people confuse the product of the mind with the mind behind the product.
    The Gulch is a place of safe haven for folks who understand this concept and desire to remove themselves from those who would view the fruit of their labors as "fruit to be plucked from the collective tree" for "the overall good" of society.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My gig as professor could be a full striker's position if I weren't making a serious effort at doing it, but as I consider my university as consistent with Galtish values, I would characterize my strike as only partial. Coaldigger correctly points out above that it will take a full strike by all (or at least nearly all) producers to make a significant difference.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Many holdouts are partial strikers (including me) because they can't quite afford to strike indefinitely. I am 47 years old, and I am pretty close to being able to completely strike, but I'm not quite there yet financially.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    WI is one of the few states I have never been to, despite having lived in both MI and IL for a while. Perhaps you and Robbie53024 can start a Gulch up in WI.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    and I cited several others. Great Britain, China, India, New Zealand, Ireland, Canada, Germany, Sweden...all have made governmental changes in the past that were more free market because of brain drain....some have not stayed the course. it is a constant vigilance. France is going through it right now...watch France
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "It was only when Wallace honked and pointed to the driveway of the ramshackle building that Sherrine relaxed. There was a hand-painted sign nailed to a post by the roadside. Bright red letters on a large plywood panel:



    BIG FRONT YARD SALE

    HIRAM TAINE, TINKER



    Of course, she thought. Of course. They were among friends. She saw Fang grin and nudge Thor with his elbow. Thor smiled quietly, as if at a well-orchestrated surprise. Sherrine started to laugh, earning an odd glance from Alex.

    All that time she had been worried about being in Proxmire country. She had forgotten they were in Clifford Simak country, too."
    - Fallen Angels
    http://www.baenebooks.com/chapters/06717...

    Home of my namesake :)
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  • Posted by RobertFl 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Excellent response. Thanks for posting it.

    Just to be a little pecker... the smell checker properly checked 'leach' and found it smelled correct. It is not its job to determine if it was used properly.

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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not sure what you are alluding to. You made the statement that the brain drain was supported by history. I'm just trying to get you to provide support for your statement. I cited several examples seemingly to the contrary.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    not every place will change in 50 years. but the better answer is not to stick around in a nazi germany if you can get out beforehand. I am sure that Einstein always thought of himself as a german. But he went where he was relatively safe, his work thrived and he could build. I am sensing a patriotic argument here...go ahead and make it
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But none of the places that I cited has changed as a consequence of brain drain. They have been forced to change for other reasons (most notably the USSR) but it wasn't due to loss of intellectuals.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I've often thought that my little "burg" would make a good Atlantis in the summer. Winters, however...
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