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  • Posted by Enyway 7 years, 10 months ago
    There is no other place where you can talk, study or care about Objectivism than here. Opinions differ. you may not like what you are hearing, but you will hear the truth as far anyone can know it. You can break down Ayn Rand's principles to one thing.
    FREEDOM!
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  • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
    s and emotions. Ayn Rand left some open questions in the Romantic Manifesto, and while I noticed the other day Leonard Peikoff seems to have extended her philosophy in regards to aesthetics, it still seems to me to be lacking - but easily extended. Or if anarcho-capitalism should really be dismissed so easily. If I recall correctly, she does in one of her newsletters since capitalism requires a method to make good trades, but it's a natural thought from Rand's "government: capitalism", and really seems to hinge on how you define government - voluntary organization for such needed functions seems to me to be sufficient, but in how government is usually defined today, would not be one. etc.

    This doesn't appear to be the place to have in depth discussions like that. Most posts are on rather less in depth in discussions and length, and it would be detrimental to try in such a public place. But there must be such a place people who like discussing such things in depth go?
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    • Posted by khalling 7 years, 10 months ago
      freetrader, if you are on Facebook, I would consider joining two groups. One is For the New Intellectual and the other is Romanticism Watch for your particular focus. But right here is an excellent place to frame up your thoughts and see what responses you get.
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    • Posted by Zenphamy 7 years, 10 months ago
      free; I'm not sure why you've determined that this isn't the place to have such discussions. I've participated on the site for a couple of years now and I've seen quite a number of posts and following discussions that seem to exactly fit what you appear to be searching for.

      I'd suggest that you just give it a try and see what you get. I know for a fact that there are a number of site participants that welcome the opportunity to discuss any and all aspects of Objectivism, including the extension/expansion of AR's writings and talks into areas she didn't cover as well as those she did discuss, rather than populists and political topics. An excellent example is the work of one member that is heavily involved in the development of Objectivist Economics. You will find a number of very studied Objectivists as well as a number of those that are quite experienced in Objectivist's life applications.

      I admit that there are a number of participants that are more interested in current events and politics, than Objectivism and may not have much to offer in your desired discussions. But the site offers tools for your management of your Post, such as Flag and Ignore and simple replies with a down-vote to let others know that they are making inappropriate or irrelevant replies and comments.

      The next time you Post, try using the comment box (that's included with your Post title, URL, and Category selection) to frame your question/idea/topic, etc. rather than the ADD COMMENT on the published Post. It may take a few Posts by you for all Objectivists to find your Posts and begin replying and commenting, or for your Post to make it to the Hot list, but give it a try.
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    • Posted by Boldstandard 7 years, 10 months ago
      If you are interested in her aesthetics, I would like to strongly recommend her book The Art of Fiction. It is of philosophical interest beyond the writing of fiction, and sheds a lot of light both on her approach to aesthetics and to psychology, and the relationship between the conscious and unconscious mind.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
      Not really you can start one right here and state purpose, scope, depth etc. Some will participate and some will just read

      An easy way is keep this one but edit the title. sounds interesting to say the least
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
    Are there any local meetings on meetup.com in your area?

    I started an objectivist group when I was at stanford awhile ago, and it was fun to sit around and talk about things with like minded freedom loving people.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
    I'd like to hear the few and minor quibbles - most seem to have a lot more when the do object.

    But most of the answers are found in Ayn Rand's writings. A good source is Ayn Rand Lexicon Objectivism A to Z Binswanger or Objectivism In One Lesson Bernstein.

    These two are what I would call 'pointers' and refer to actual writings by book, chapter etc. to the question in mind.

    There are also Open and Closed Objectivism. discussions. Some, like myself, look for ways to apply it to real life situations. Others are more 'aesthetic.' Both are found right here but after a while someone might suggest another link. Enjoy

    It's also a place to constantly learn and find points of view to consider. I find it more enlightening. Most volumes though are available through Amazon. I stress them all as to follow the classic advice of Frank Zappa 'if you want an education go to the library.'

    AynRand.org or Ayn Rand Institute will provide even more information.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
      It would be nice to discuss items of real practical interest. How to get around governmental impediments to our lives, and how to thwart the increases in governmental power.
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  • Posted by dwlievert 7 years, 10 months ago
    Freetrader:

    I would echo what many here have posted, with the addition of the following caveats:

    The purpose of ANY philosophy, is happiness and fulfillment. It is NOT politics. Politics is the fourth branch of philosophy, the branch that must logically arise from the previous three.

    It is the necessary body of thought that arises when a human being must co-exist with others.

    Finally, an Objectivist understands that reason must be Man's only absolute. Mathematics is its demonstration, the scientific method its efficacy.

    Therefore, all rational questions are valid, all answers tentative. Quibble or quarrel away........
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  • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
    Thank you all for the replies. I spent much of the day - being a holiday - thinking about objectivism, and enjoyed the positive replies to this thread. I'll come back tomorrow and add a few comments to the thread, as of now I'm going to peruse the forum and go to sleep.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 10 months ago
    This is the place.
    I have been to other sites, but there is not the give and take as in the Gulch. That doesn't mean that every thread and every topic will be your cup of tea, but you'll find plenty that are. And better still, you can choose a topic and start your own discussion.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 7 years, 10 months ago
    Freetrader, I am a Constitutional Conservative, in other words I take Objectivism on my terms as I see fit, and I've been coming here for nearly 3 years, You can learn an abundance of in-depth knowledge about the Objectivist philosophy here. However, like any other belief system, there is a line where intolerance begins, a line I, unfortunately, flirt with whenever I say anything because of my own personal ideological beliefs. If you seek the philosophy of Objectivism and ideologically Objectvism only, there is no better place.

    Recommendation: Do not be pulled into "I'd like to hear the minor quibbles" type statements. I've lost a lot of "friends" here over simple statements like that.

    Enjoy, there is much to learn at Galt's Gulch.
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  • Posted by JohnConnor352 7 years, 10 months ago
    I would recommend going to OCON.
    http://objectivistconferences.com/

    The rate is significantly reduced for those under 30, only $195 for the week. It actually was less a month or so ago, but ticket prices always increase the closer you get to things like this.

    It would be a GREAT way to discuss in depth with newer and more advanced/experienced objectivists. There are lectures and forums that apply objectivism to everyday life, and I can imagine some very informative and lively debates on topics like anarcho-capitalism and aesthetics.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 7 years, 10 months ago
    Freetrader, if you live near a college, and it teaches Rand, you might find a spirited exchanges there. I used to tutor in he college philosophy study center, and we had some amazing exchanges.\One thing is certain, Objectivism is a whole life philosophy, which can greatly improve our life satisfaction and the state our our community. So many of the problems we face are because people do not us reason in their life choices, including politics, love, even fun.The resources are all on this site, and you should find a ready set of participants in any discussion you begin.We may disagree at times, but we all greatly value the work of Rand and love to learn more via discussion.
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