[Ask the Gulch] Rich Dad vs. Poor Objectivist. Rich Dad Poor Dad advocates for letting money make money without effort, essentially. Galt's Gulch only believes in receiving payment for services or products produced by one's individual effort. Rich Dad Wins..?
Posted by Sp_cebux 9 years, 3 months ago to Ask the Gulch
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Once acquired, there is nothing easy about owning and managing rental property - you are placing your credit at risk, leveraging your future, bad things can certainly happen -it's not all peaches and cream (such as 2007-2011 in real estate), tenants sometimes don't pay the rent but your mortgage payment is still due. Here in California, you can go several months without rent while evicting someone. If it works out, you may end up with a property substantially paid for by someone else. It's unfortunate that the tax consequences also make it more difficult to consider disposing of it to ring the register, so a property ladder kind of ensues.
Managing rental property is really about "managing risk". If you have a mortgage on the property, it's unlikely you will really make much 'income' in terms of actual dollars in your pocket, it's more typical that it significantly defrays income tax on your earned income from your career or business.
Having enough of them to earn a living at it (at least something that I would quit my day-job for) becomes a full-time job in and of itself. Prior to the real estate crash though, most banks allowed people to have 4 or 8 mortgages on their credit report and still consider them for another one. World Savings actually allowed 'unlimited' rental properties and mortgages, with a limit of 10 funded by World itself. These days with government-operated mortgage underwriting, its highly unlikely to build a business that way, it would look more like buying a few properties with cash. At least here, where properties kind of start around $300,000 and go far up from there, if I had the liquid funds laying around to buy a couple of million worth of property, I wouldn't be looking to buy myself a job either...
That being said, I'll likely buy a rental property again after not having one for over a decade, but only for the tax benefit.
There are many people who charge quite a bit for their intellectual service, involving no product or significant physical labor. Are these people at odds with Objectivist principles?
Millennials seem to have been seduced by socialist and communist propaganda that glorifies physical labor and disdains production of profit by intellectual means. It is warfare between classes. Objectivism rejects the concept of a class-based society, and supports any means of revenue generation by individual effort, including intelligent investment.
There are a couple of points in RDPD that I think he begins to cross the line and gets a bit ruthless. Then I think the valuation of money and aggressively trying to get it from others who can't afford it becomes an issue. He said something to the effect that he hasn't got a problem with taking stupid people's money. If you're a D' Anconia dealing with wealthy people who have not earned their fortunes that are trying to make their money off your back without doing what it takes to earn it, so be it. But, for the average blue color worker who has worked hard for their money, but doesn't understand the complexity of the deal at hand and you convince them to do it when you know they can't handle it - I don't think you should aggressively try to close the deal. Make sure they understand the deal fully - if they choose to proceed, fine. But that can become a slippery slope when you view them as idiots that need to be separated from their money.
Other than a couple of things like that, I liked RDPD - it is inspirational, promotes a work ethic, and gives additional knowledge to use in planning your life and career goals.
For same trying to sneak populist "Poor Dad" nonsense into the Gulch.
However:
Once you've written one...your addicted and must write another.
Both Dads work hard. Poor Dad is limited in his vision and his understanding. Just to take one example from the book: Rich Dad buys houses and rents them out, the rents paying the mortgages, etc., and more, bringing profit to him. And, the properties he owns build equity, value that he can sell for a profit now or (better) later. Poor Dad has only his own home, his company's retirement account, and social security ... all in all not much to bargain with.
However... Rich Dad has to bust his hump because being a landlord is not a lot of fun. And it is not guaranteed income. In real life, we rent a house, built of cheap contractor-grade materials throughout. Our landlord makes money - more power to him - but just when he least expects it, I call him to report a problem, like water under the sink... By the end of the day, we had three plumbers here...
The thing about owning rental properties is that you become tied to the land, no less than a serf. Notice that in the greatest periods of capitalism, merchants rented homes in the city. When the economy contracts, renters are free to move where the work is. We did.
But all of the being as it may, I agree with dhalling and InfamousEric in their assessments.
Yes, I concede these two ideas are not mutually exclusive now. At first, it seems though RD is promoting a lifestyle of Wall Street type greed to earn money without working for it... which seems counter to the notion of 'production' to produce wealth.
Did D'Anconia dig the copper mines on his own? or did he use his knowledge to invest in an infrastucture to do the work for him?
Did Riordan smelt the metal on his own? or did he use his knowledge to invest in an infrastucture to do the work for him?
The first lesson Kiyosaki talks about is selling items (I think it was newspapers or magazines) around his neighborhood versus having others do the work for him... using money to have others do the work to gain him profit for just funding the business as opposed to actually doing the business himself.
One could argue that he was producing an environment for others to perform the services, however, re-reading the first chapters of A is A in Atlas Shrugged, it does not seem like Galt would have ever advocated for using wealth to beget more wealth.
(An objectivist cynic would not think this about Rand's books.)
Kiyosaki, is advocating financial understanding, & using that understanding to benefit oneself.
Objectivism advocates, knowledge & reasoning, & using that knowledge & reasoning to benefit oneself.