What About Black Lives Matter?

Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 10 months ago to Culture
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For two years the protest movement called "Black Lives Matter" has caused demonstrations all around the nation. It was triggered by the police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, MO in August of '14. It holds that racist police are the greatest threat to young black men. This has triggered riots, and the murder or attempted murder of police and an attempt to eliminate grand juries when police use lethal force.

The U.S. Justice Department has completely disproven that Brown was merely a Gentle Giant and was shot in cold blood while trying to surrender. Even though it was shown that Brown had just stolen from and intimidated a store owner and was charging at the officer who shot him, and had attempted to get the officer's gun, he is venerated as a martyr.As a result, officers are backing off in the face of the hatred which is relentlessly directed at them on the street and in the media. As a result, violent crime is on the rise. The question becomes do the police pose the greatest threat to young black men? Or is it the far greater threat of black-on-black crime?


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    Posted by Zenphamy 7 years, 10 months ago
    In 2015 police killed 1,207 American citizens/rresidents, and so far this year, 427. See: http://www.killedbypolice.net/kbp2015...

    In 2015, 13 police died from gunshot and so far this year, 18. Though that number includes accidental, fraudulent suicides, and friendly fire incidents. See: http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-f...

    In my opinion, the skin color of those deaths is the least significant data of all. I'm personally tired of any side in this issue trying to advantage their group or beliefs based on an individual case, culture, ethnicity, inequality, or any other "ity".

    The fact is that we hire, train, and license police for the avowed purpose of protecting the individual rights of all residents of this country at all times in all circumstances. That includes the license to use force after a crime (initiation of force against another) to apprehend the guilty person to stop the force and/or bring the guilty person before a court. Our judicial and criminal system is predicated on the requirement that the state has the duty to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that an accused is guilty in court before he is punished, not based on the perception, mis-perception, error in home address, or mis-deed of an LEO in the heat of the moment.. The reason for all of that is to protect our freedoms against tyranny and/or misuse of that very judicial and criminal system.

    In recognition of the potential danger to the individual LEO, we provide extensive training in why and how to contact and/or apprehend an American resident accused of a rights violation, offensive (both lethal and non-lethal) and defensive equipment, and even the use of psychological techniques. All of that is so effective that of some 900,000 to 1,000,000 LEO's with innumerable public contacts per year, the mortality is less than that of roofers. LEO's don't even rank in the top 10 of dangerous jobs.

    However, we've allowed our Constitutional protection of individual rights legal and justice system to be so inverted, subverted, and perverted that the most insignificant basis for LEO contact (walking in the street by a teenager. selling a cigarette, 12yo child playing with a toy gun, your address being invaded in error in the early hours of the morning, a broken taillight, even a rude response to the LEO, etc., etc.) can and does result in the use of excessive and deadly force against the citizen. Yet the state, the agency, and the individual LEO will face no repercussion in some 96% or more of cases.

    And we're discussing whether LEO's or other black men are more dangerous to black men? How easily we are led by our noses into trivial nonsense and away from the real danger facing all of us. Our life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, and our unalienable rights are no longer a matter of concern to those that we elect, hire, and license to only protect those rights which we all possess by virtue of our birth. They actually fight us to further limit them if not outright eliminate our belief in them. I fought and killed and watched friends die within a foot of me halfway around the world, came back to public ridicule and hate, and still made an Objective success of my life--all to be labled a potential terrorist by those we've made responsible to protect my individual rights. And now at this stage in my life, every time I see a Police Cruiser I watch to see if he turns around and comes after me.

    How ignorant, simple minded, and propagandized have we become that instead of seeing the reality in front of our faces, we look where we're told at what is of little or no significance, while the reality we're no longer seeing is our liberties and rights being boxed and locked away to leave us as no better than compliant slaves.

    That's it folks, come one-come all, watch my left hand wave in your face while my right takes your wallet out of your pocket. Ta-Dah.
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    • Posted by Riftsrunner 7 years, 10 months ago
      The only problem I have with this analysis is that police are there to protect individuals (rights or liberties). The Supreme Court has ruled that a police force's charge of protection is only as far as to the community. They have zero obligation to protect individuals at all. So if you are being attacked in your home by a home invader and call 911, they aren't required to come save and protect you. And if you somehow are damaged by their apathetic response, you have no legal recourse to remedy the situation due to governmental immunity.
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      • Posted by Zenphamy 7 years, 10 months ago
        You're correct and that's a major demonstration of the inversion of our legal and judicial system. I believe in self defense and luckily, I'm still capable. For those that believe in their police, they need to worry.
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      • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
        Depends on your community. Apathy to 911 in NYC is not what goes on in other places. However, a gun or two in the home, safely and strategically placed along with a good alarm system would be a good idea. Unless you live in a village with 2,000 or less population, -- and even then.....
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
      Police in this country dont protect individual rights. They only show up AFTER the crime has been committed anyway and typically start shooting. Then there is a big investigation to figure out who is guilty of violating a law or laws. Its kind of a useless exercise.
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      • Posted by Zenphamy 7 years, 10 months ago
        Personally, I call police to report an event and get their report for insurance--or I get stopped on the street for some minor infraction, probably just to be checked out. Any thought that police, even if they wanted to, can protect me on a daily basis is just silly.
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        • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
          and they want us to give up our guns, while they and the bad guys get to keep them. Doesnt make a lot of sense to me !!
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          • Posted by Zenphamy 7 years, 10 months ago
            Sure--and they tell us that DHS, TSA, and Border Patrol are protecting us from danger, and we just don't understand the criminal's sad upbringing, yah, yah, yah.
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            • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
              I have to say that our government has been involved so much in manipulation, lying, and mistruths that I just dont believe anything they say without my being able to verify it. "trust, but verify" applies now to OUR government, not just Russia.
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              • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
                As I look back, I realize that I was pretty naïve when it come to the government. It took me quite some time and a pile of evidence to convince me that our government lied 9 out of 10 times. Even when they didn't have to lie. In Washington, they lie to their constituents, they lie to each other and they even lie to themselves. I don't know if it always was, but DC has become a filthy cesspool of lies, which turns into a filthy cesspool of deeds.
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                • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
                  I agree. I think Hillary is the poster child for all of it too. She cant even tell us what she told Goldman for $200k, and she wants US to give her presidential power? No thanks. I could care less about Trumps tax returns. I want to know what she told (promised) Goldman and wall street. They just dont give $$ out for NOTHING..
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              • Posted by Zenphamy 7 years, 10 months ago
                I think that's exactly on point, at all levels. This life we have is not a Dress Rehearsal. Until we realize that we are just pawns and slaves to those that feed us this kind of tripe.
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      • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
        Crime prevention is more the purview of civilians with police cooperation. Again it goes back to the family, morality, ethics, which is a totally screwed up situation in the country in general, but more so in the black community.. The facts do not bear out your statement about police shootings.
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    • Posted by Maritimus 7 years, 10 months ago
      You may wish to read this: http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/the-dan...
      It provides a lot of facts and thus food for thought.
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      • Posted by Zenphamy 7 years, 10 months ago
        Maritimus: You miss the major part of my comment::In my opinion, the skin color of those deaths is the least significant data of all. I'm personally tired of any side in this issue trying to advantage their group or beliefs based on an individual case, culture, ethnicity, inequality, or any other "ity" To make it as plain as I can, I don't give a sh## about any of that nonsense, and anyone that allows themselves to be distracted or re-directed away from the actual issue is a major part of the problem. The issue is the government's direction and limitations to protect the individual rights of the residents of this country.

        Police have one job and one license from the public. That is to apprehend those that have initiated force or fraud against another and bring them before a court. That is the totality of the job. It's what they are hired to do, trained, and equipped to do. That's it. They are not given the authority to kill American residents.

        If blacks want to kill themselves in inordinate numbers, that's their problem. The police's job is to find those killers, apprehend them, and bring them before a court. If they exceed that mandate, they should face the exact same consequences as an everyday resident of this country that acts in their own self defense. Police are not hired and licensed executioners of "probable" perpetrators based on selling a cigarette, having a broken tail light, or any other pick-a-yuny misdeamor.

        And on a website primarily dedicated to AR and Objectivist philosophy, all you can present is a lecture from a religious, so called university, You should be able to do better than that.
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        • Posted by Maritimus 7 years, 10 months ago
          Hello, Zenphamy,
          1. How possibly can you know what I did or did not understand from your comment, when I just suggested for your attention a collection of statistical facts?
          2. I deeply resent vulgarities in communications from anybody, including you.
          3. The truth is that, proportionally, vast majority (notice another "ity"!) of instances of initiating use of force is blacks doing it to blacks. No racism there.
          4. From Wikipedia: "... Hillsdale no longer has any denominational affiliation, and Hillsdale Free Will Baptist College in Oklahoma was founded after the college disaffiliated itself with the denomination. However, Hillsdale is still considered a Christian institution, with students expected to follow moral tenets of Christianity as commonly understood in the Christian tradition...
          As an Objectivist, I prefer that people obey the 10 commandments as a foundation of their outdated philosophy over the morally disoriented political correctness worshipers and their collectivist brethren. Unfortunately, very few people study philosophy a bit, most of them none.
          5. The source I gave you is a journalistic reporter and editor. She just happens to have collected a lot of those statistical facts and had the benefit of my being aware of her presentation. I made no philosophical statement whatsoever in my comments and I resent your implying otherwise.
          6. Your statement "If blacks want to kill themselves in inordinate numbers, that's their problem." I find offensive. I believe that all citizens of this country are Americans. The divisive efforts of many are at the root of much of what is wrong here and now, in my opinion. You could not sound more divisive. Draw your own conclusions.
          7. I will not let you teach me about Ayn Rand and Objectivism. You have disqualified yourself from even remotely fitting such a role. The evidence is in plain sight.
          8. As a result, I will refuse to engage in any further debate with you. This is it.
          Goodbye.
          P.S. It occurs to me that a pseudonym like "Inphamy" might fit better ;-)
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          • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
            Hoowee!
            I see valid points on both sides, and also emotional responses which almost negate the rational ones. Not wanting to be Dr. Phil (in any sense) I won't deal with the emotions. Based upon what I've learned about most colleges and universities, Hillsdale stands out like a beacon of rational thought to the point where you can excuse the religiosity. You are not coerced into taking any religion there and will still get your degree based on your work. As to profanity, I must say that a bit of it for color or emphasis is not objectionable to me. Unless you are using it like a rapper, which is not true in this case. Something I can see that neither of you may be able because you both are so pissed off is that you are more in agreement than not.
            Pace in terram guys.
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          • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
            Martimus
            I'm hoping that you'll response to my post below.
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            • Posted by Maritimus 7 years, 10 months ago
              Hello, Herb,
              I am not sure whether you are asking me to respond somewhere below to your original post or to respond to your post which is just below. I am choosing the former.
              As the article demonstrates conclusively, the police are not the greatest threat to young black men. The problem is almost suicidal.
              In my opinion, the two by far the greatest threats to young black men, and many non-blacks, are:
              1. Lousy education that they are given.
              2. Virtually non-existent families.
              It is hard to say which is worse. If I had the power, I would drastically reduce or eliminate payments to able-bodied people who do not work and spend all the savings on the "special needs" programs for family-less kids conducted exclusively by non-union teachers who volunteered for those jobs. If a kid is brought into life by a non-existent family, the only potentials worth saving are his life and mind. All the rest has already been irretrievably lost.
              Does this satisfy your request?
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              • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
                While I enjoyed your reply and agree with it, I was mostly interested in your kerfuffle with zenphamy. None of my business except that I like reading postings from both of you. Actually, I am breaking my own restriction of MYOB, but I am hoping that my interest in the conversations between you would continue. I'm actually creeping myself out, so ad astra per aspera.
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                • Posted by Maritimus 7 years, 10 months ago
                  Hello, Herb,
                  I am afraid that I will have to disappoint you.
                  Almost three decades ago my older son taught me something I wish I had known before. While sophomore at Columbia University, he wanted to switch from engineering to English as the major. Concerned that I might oppose that, he told me: "In order to write well, you have to be able to think well. So, if you found someone who can teach you to write well, you really have found someone who can teach you how to think well." How can anybody argue against that? In addition, at that time English department at Columbia was reputed to be the best or very close to the best in the country. I learned an important insight.
                  This is a long introduction, but I thought it worth explaining.
                  I will remain determined not to resume any conversations with Zenphamy.. He has demonstrated to me beyond reasonable doubt that he is not a carful thinker. Evidence? Just look at the first and the last sentence of his first paragraph addressed to me and the last sentence of the second paragraph.
                  Not so long ago, khalling, lamented that I am not participating on this site as much as I used to. I responded to her with my explanation. I find way too much superficial and not thought through arguments and almost nonsensical political tirades.
                  My interests here are to learn as much as I can about flawless and careful thinking and about Ayn Rand and the Objectivist philosophy. Perhaps I am deceiving myself, but my impression is that those things are rarer here than they used to be. Occasionally, the mistakes are so glaring that I have hard time resisting to point the out. I have other ways of spending the little time left to me (in a couple on months I will be 81) that help me learn what I wish to learn and understand. As always, I still get the best kicks out of learning that seems important to me (fits my values).
                  I am sorry to disappoint you due to my rational self-interest. One has to do what one has to do.
                  Stay well.
                  Sincerely, Maritimus
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                  • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
                    Thank you.
                    I find your explanation more than reasonable.I think, however, that you are more sensitive than me. When I came to the Gulch about 3 1/2 years ago, I expected to converse with Reardons, and Galts, and Roarks. To my chagrin, most of the contributors were fairly ordinary guys and gals. Not to denigrate them. They are a bright group. Certainly of greater intellectual capacity than most. Even other Objectivist -ish web sites and blogs are not better and some not as good. What I personally enjoy is the spirited banter. Certainly there'll be some nonsense, some intellectual crappiness, but also some very brilliant thoughts and writing. I'm sure you know who they are and I cannot applaud them more for the insights and out-and-out knowledge they have provided me. When I first came into the Gulch, I found myself being a grammar teacher, but I quickly dropped that. (I was an editor for a time.) Not only did it anger people, but I quickly realized that was not why I came to the Gulch.

                    My reason for being here parallels your and I dare say most who participate here. For every participant -- I cannot quote numbers, there are people who are absolute gems. I can learn and on rare occasions I can even teach. Over all it's a worthwhile site, and as a bonus, it actually woks to accomplish worthwhile things.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 10 months ago
    Herb to answer your question" do police pose the greatest threat to young black men"?

    In the time period 1/09 to 12/31/12 police shot and killed, justly and unjustly 112 black men and during the same time period black men killed 4472 other blacks according to the DOJ.
    This fact should provide a reasoning individual the answer. It should also cause that type of individual to realize the damage the "great society" has done to the black community. It has destroyed for the most part the 2 parent family. The lack of role models , education is not valued , a victim based mentality , no work ethic , riot and loot when a perceived injustice occurs. The flame of anger fanned by civil rights leaders and the president in the case of Michael Brown. These so called leaders never telling their constituency that their behavior has consequences. Oh and gangs kill more Americans than terrorists likely ever will.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
      The points you've made are exactly the ones I was expecting to hear from this forum.
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      • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
        Police should find non lethal ways to immobilize perps who are a danger to other people. They dont have to kill them right off. This is 2016 and its hard for me to believe that bullets are the only way to take care of this problem. Cops like to shoot people I think. They hire cops who get a thrill out of it.
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        • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 10 months ago
          The most deadly confrontations for police are "domestics," where the victims can turn unpredictably to attackers, killing or maiming police who are deliberately repressing the use of force. Until the general public stops the "Monday morning quarterbacking" of deadly confrontations they are completely unqualified to criticize, the phony image of the homicidal cop will persist.

          Until you find yourself in a confrontation with a dangerous criminal and have to make a decision to do anything to stop him or face death or injury, you can't possibly claim how much kinder and gentler you would be. As to the "less than lethal" solution, there are numerous incidents of tasers having no effect on violent offenders, and people dying from rubber bullets, so the technology is unreliable at best.

          I've known enough good cops to verify the bad ones are a rare exception in the profession. The media always promotes and inflates the most outrageous incidents, and rarely do the acts of courage and compassion get much attention beyond local news.
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          • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
            Your points are well taken.

            I would do whatever I needed to do to protect myself, and that would include killing the offender without losing a minute of sleep over it.

            I am not suggesting that any of the current non lethal methods are as effective as blowing holes through the bodies of perps. BUT, it would seem that some research into more effective non lethal methods might result in fewer lethal shootings and the legal and political fallout from them.

            My assessment of police shootings is totally non scientific, and probably the result of media attention. It makes me just not want to be around police, however. They advertise they are there to protect and serve, but it just seems they are they are to give out tickets and arrest people walking down the street and find laws that the people are violating (victimless crimes like possessing weed, or selling oranges on the streetcorner).

            The cops seem to be cash registers for the cities and counties, especially when the fines go to the very agencies that pay for the police. Its crooked and should be stopped.
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            • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 10 months ago
              The worst money-snatching system is the confiscation of money and property on "suspicion" of drug or gang activity. The Federal law enforcement agencies have been given this authority, and have granted local police and sheriffs the right to do the same. The rationale for suspicion has been stretched to an obscene point, with just the existence of "excessive" cash (with how much is excessive undefined), or the possession of an expensive vehicle, watch, or jewelry being claimed as probable cause to allow confiscation. God forbid anything that can be claimed to be "drug paraphernalia" is found in a vehicle, because then everything of value can be confiscated and liquidated to the benefit of the capturing agency. It's become a rich source of revenue, and efforts to stop the practice, or hold abusive law enforcement liable have been vigorously fought in every state.
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              • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
                This is all a severe conflict of interest- When the confiscating agency is the same one that decides what is to be confiscated. That should be stopped immediately and completely.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
                I see the new Dec 31st replacement for civil rights is spreading unchecked. First it was for foreign terrorists but no limitations were really listed. We were assured it didn't US Citizens or our private papers and homes and conversations. Bang Dec 31 last 85 Senators voted for a bill which contained the new verbiage replacing 'probable cause' arrests.

                suspicion of terrorism
                (terrorism not defined.)
                added suspicion of supporting terrorism
                (still not defined)
                now they are going after the street gangs after all who is going to complain. But what about the people living on the street?
                (still not defined)
                along with that no rights that was said not for foreigners
                (but it wasn't written done anywhere)
                and we still have 100 miles from any coast or border with the entire Constitution suspended.
                regardless of citizenship and coast lines include navigable waters so the Mississippi and much of the Ohio and Missouri and a number of other areas are affected. Columbia, Sacramento.

                85 Senators and Lightning Boy Obeyme signed it and presented it on national TV in front of the Original Document he had just crapped on.

                No move to impeach
                No negative comments on Cspan
                (Congress was you say culpable)

                SCOTUS hiding behind a think wall of dignity waiting for a case to be filed

                An incompetent Attorney General picked for her loyalty to anything and anybody but justice.

                Ditto Media

                Ditto educators well some body has to teach snowflakes how to fall and melt.

                Military leadership shy's away from testifying before Congress much less upholds it's own oath of office.

                Political party's ?? Ha ha Where?

                and the population?

                Deserving every bit of what they asked for and what they got and what they are going to get.

                BOHICA!

                Still goinjg to vote left wing?
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
          1% of them do. But then 1% of the general population also 'do.' Then there are the cop haters. 1% again. It's still too damn many but that applies to both factions at the same rate.

          Same source and cite as last time....this is getting soooooo boring but you kept your point. Relieves the boredom so I added done more.
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          • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
            I would be a lot happier if drugs were decriminalized and fines for traffic violations didnt go to the cities who hire the cops. Would definitely help me to have a better view of cops.
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        • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
          They have tasers and pepper spray, but I'll tell you this, if a miscreant threatened my life in any way, I'd have no compunction about killing him/her.
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          • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
            Absolutely. And you would no doubt have to take that action without any police around to protect you.

            My comment was a suggestion that we as a people find non-lethal but equally effective ways of stopping a dangerous situation than using guns.

            The problem with guns is the legal consequences that follow their use. God forbid you killed a black person today who threatened you. What if you only wounded them and then had to pay them huge sums to compensate them. Plus the hassle of dealing with it all.

            If there was some sort of better technological solution that would stop the threatening behavior, but left them permanently unhurt and you free of court proceedings, it would be a better solution so long as it was effective.
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            • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
              Tasers are effective in that the ones that don't shoot but are used close contact, will immobilize for at least 5 minutes which gives a person time to get away.
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 10 months ago
        Our black Americans were a mere generation away from full assimulation into American society (except for the demoncrapic south) when teddy, taft, and woodie put a stop to that. The so called "Great society" shoved them all into the cities which gave them a reason to riot, steal, murder and sell and do drugs,(as Dobrien has noted)...from birth they are denied their own consciousness and it perpetuates itself. Yes, it's still no excuse and they are still accountable.

        Only those that had a halfway decent upbringing have escaped it.

        Don't know about you but I never realized this until the last 20 years or so...before that, we rightly criticized their behavior...not the color of their skin.

        We fell for the ruse of the left also...
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        • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
          80% single families. Hard work and education denigrated. Cultural icons sport the foulest language and images, and glorify a world of degenerates. And the spokespersons for the black communities defend that behavior, accusing those who disagree of not being truly black. If there are any blacks in the Gulch, I surely would like to hear from them. If not --- why not? That would be a whole 'nother topic.
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          • Posted by blackswan 7 years, 10 months ago
            Here's a black in the Gulch. All this quibbling over police shootings enables the left to ignore the slaughter going on in Planned Parenthood. The documented police shootings of blacks comes to about 2 per WEEK. The slaughter at Planned Parenthood comes to about 1,500 per DAY; nearly equivalent to the losses the US sustained on D-Day - every day. There should be over 60 million blacks in the US. Today, there are only around 40 million, basically unchanged for over a decade. Yet, you hear nothing but crickets. So, the answer should be to fully enforce the law, with the attitude of "when morale improves, the beatings will stop." The aggressive policing that reduced crime in NYC to the relative level of Mayberry shouldn't be abandoned because of BLM or any other group, and if they don't like it, then they can move.
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            • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
              Whoa! Good point!
              We should view BLM as more of a distraction than a movement.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
                Wow it appears you may have nailed it. But it appears he is just using them because they are there to be used.

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            • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 10 months ago
              +1 I've read that most abortions are black.
              Old dino would like to add that a huge amount of black on black murders (you don't need to just shoot a gun) is also being ignored while BLM screams their I"pigs in a blanket" stuff.
              I've also read that BLM demos and Trump rally disruptions are being bankrolled by socialists like George Soros and MoveOn.org.
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    • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 10 months ago
      The only correction I would provide is to change the words "civil rights leaders" to "race-baiting poverty pimps," the term used by J. C. Watts (former Oklahoma Congressional representative and all-American quarterback for OU). Watts felt that to use the term "civil rights leader" to describe Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton was an insult to the real standard bearers like MLK.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
        AKA reverse racists. Watts was the only Representative to honor and uphold the Contract With America provision on voluntary term limits. in my book he ranks with MLK while the other two are bottom feeders.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 10 months ago
      What black activists also don't want to tell anyone - or admit - that incarceration probability statistically correlates to no single factor more than the lack of a father in the home. And with 80% of black males being born to a single mother, it is no wonder whatsoever that they join gangs and end up in prison.
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      • Posted by skidance 7 years, 10 months ago
        I thought it was 70% of black children are born to single mothers. Has the percentage increased lately?
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        • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
          70% or 80% -- is there really much difference? I confess I heard the 80% on a radio show, and you may be correct, but does it matter if its 74.5% or anything near that figure? It is the same shameful result.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
          Depends on whose doing the counting and what the definition of the day might be. The whole list is so racist all it means that the printer of the paper on which the lists are found is the lead proponent agency for continued racism, sexism bigotry and whatever else. 100 to 1 odds at the top and bottom it will 'government.'
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 7 years, 10 months ago
    The greatest threat is the policy of warping an incident, any incident, to create a division, in this case, racial strife. The government is good at that.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
      None better than the Obama Regime and its leader BHO himself.
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      • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
        Obama has done more to hurt the cause of oppressed black people than anyone. I always stuck up for black people and treated them as equals. Now, I just want nothing to do with their entitled black and pretty much useless culture.
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        • Posted by blackswan 7 years, 10 months ago
          There is no black culture. There is no white culture (or Asian or Hispanic, for that matter). There are only THREE cultures on Earth: hunter gatherer; agrarian; industrial. Hunter gatherers live off the land, foraging and hunting big game. Agrarians extract wealth from the earth, with their focus being on property rights and inheritance rights in land. Industrial culture extracts wealth from ideas (intellectual property), so we have property rights and inheritance rights in ideas. That's what distinguishes the various cultures from each other. All the rest is BS.
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          • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
            Well, I think there is a new culture- the entitled welfare culture that extracts wealth from other unwilling persons. They dont live off the land, they dont deal in real property or intellectual property rights. They deal in political and manipulative "entitlements". Walk down the street (at least in Las Vegas and San FRancisco) and listen to the bums work you for money and what reasons they give why you should give them the money to see what I mean.
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            • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
              That culture is the same as you get when you have strep and cough into an agar dish. Unfortunately it's not only in LV & SanFran. Our entitlement society makes it almost a badge of honor to be a bum.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
          Two kinds or more just like anywhere and anything else. Those that do and make something of themselves, Those that disrupt classes, impregnate 11 and 12 year olds and personify what they complain about.

          I've used this against the main proponent of racism (and sexism and bigotry to good effect.)

          When you get a goverenment form or some other similar with a laundry list of races, cultures, ethnicities and especially those that are clearly slanted write this over the offending section, "This is a racist/sexist/bigoted or other question. You should be ashamed of yourself for asking and helping to promote racism/sexism, bigotry and that goes for Nazi lovers too.

          I've yet to have it affect anything the form was really about.i have received on three occasions a letter of apology from one of the functionaries explaining it's a requirement of a job which allows me to introduce the idea of independent thinking and responsibility. Two at least have now read AS and one is studying objectivism. the third probably rolled their eyes and said, "oh please." To which I would have politely responded, "Thank you."
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 7 years, 10 months ago
    The greatest threat to young black men is our current government...the police are merely the "face" that people see, on a daily basis.

    If the government would stop trying to "help" the poor, this whole issue would eventually die. Sure, we'll still have racism and bigotry, but on a substantially smaller and more manageable scale.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
      Racism and bigotry in its public incarnation virtually no longer exists in America. Privately may be a different matter, but I would bet that even there it has diminished greatly. The only exception seems to be anti-Semitism, which is growing here and abroad. However, that becomes another topic.
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      • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 10 months ago
        It was pretty much dead, but now the baiters are reviving racism (overwhelmingly against whites).

        And the government trying to "help" the poor is indeed the biggest cause. Stop subsidizing single mothers to breed, and they'll stop breeding to "earn" a living.
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  • Posted by rbroberg 7 years, 10 months ago
    Racism against blacks has become tame in comparison to what I imagine it had been. And it diverts attention from very real and nauseating racism. Here I am referring to Anti-Semitism, which has crept back into American institutions. A representative from my own alma mater UCLA asked a student if her involvement in Jewish organizations would compromise her ability to serve in student government. Can we imagine that question posed to any other minority? Black? Asian? Latino? Only if they are decidedly not liberal.

    Excuse me, you're a supporter of NAACP and the National Society of Black Engineers. Will that distract you from conducting your duties as head of a student body? Pardon me, you belong to Korean Christians Club and you have a lot of stock in Samsung. Can you represent the students of our school? Well, you are a member of the Chicano Movement at UCLA and yet you are a Republican. How is it so? Once and again, it creeps. We see that under the mask of "inclusive" liberalism hides a totalitarian with more insidious ambitions.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 10 months ago
    Obviously, you have read this month's issue of Imprimis... the statistics are clearly on the threat of black-on-black crime...however, the greater threat is the media and the Fed govt and their campaign to demonize local police departments...what is their goal in fostering a crisis environment...if their goal is to create a national police force that is only answerable to Washington, D.C., then they can remove another barrier to Federal control of our lives...
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
      It's called a protective echelon or in German Schutz Staffel Think about DOHS becoming DHS which sounds like diss for Directorate of Internals State Security.
      All totalitarian governments have them and it's why Obama had the current military careerist leader ship running scared. He already stated he wanted to turn DHS in to a formation with more power than the military. Waffen SS and SA/SD. by any other name.

      Back to arrest with no civil rights under suspicion of supporting terrorism.

      Eight months left if he abdicates.
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  • Posted by jk1212 7 years, 10 months ago
    Kinna reminds you of the whole Horst Wessel background, doesn't it?
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 10 months ago
      This may help ... Sorry I posted it under the one of the ignore button group. Yes it does Let me know if you disagree or have more to add on any of the following comments.

      Still a hero of the American Nazi and other Nazi parties Horst Wessel was one of Hitlers earliest supporters.

      This subject keeps cropping up unfortunately this time when the current American Nazi Party first in Illinois then for the USA endorsed Trump after his speech on immigration control. But then apparently George Soros leader of the Secular Progressives appears to have also been donating to Clinton and Kasich to defeat Trump although has close business ties. Hillary is Soro's organizations poster girl for his stated purpose of replacing the republican form of government with a socialist version. Apparently Sanders isn't left wing enough for his taste and like the Republicans he has no control in this battle of the billionaires.

      Keep in mind Nazi's are National Socialists and like International Socialists are not Right Wing except by the skewed definitions of the Left. Placed in their proper perspective they aren't even right wing OF the left but the the two of them National and International Socialists or Nazis and Communists are the extremists of the Left. The International flavor allow no private ownership of anything Marxist Leninist Economics. The national version allow private ownership under heavy and complete control of the Party in some areas. Fascist or State Economics. Both are Fascist in nature.

      background

      On 14 January 1930, Horst Wessel, a young and ambitious member of the SA was shot at close range at his home in Berlin. Although the crime was never completely solved, the murder was most likely committed by a group of communists with close ties to the city's gangland. Wessel later died from his injuries. Joseph Goebbels, whose attention had already been drawn to Wessel as a possible future Nazi leader, was the first to recognize the propaganda potential of the case. 'A young martyr for the Third Reich' he wrote in his diary on 23 February 1930 immediately after receiving the news of Wessel's death. This was the beginning of the myth-making that transformed an ordinary individual into a masculine role model for an entire generation. Two months later, thousands of people lined the streets for Wessel's funeral parade and Goebbels delivered a graveside eulogy. In the years that followed - and as Nazi power increased - Horst Wessel became the hero of the Nazi movement - with his elaborate memorial quickly becoming a site of pilgrimage.

      The song Die Fahne Hoch for which Wessel had written the lyrics (and which subsequently became popularly known as the Horst Wessel Song) became the official Nazi party anthem and the Berlin district of Friedrichshain, where Wessel was murdered was renamed Horst-Wessel-Stadt in his honour. Numerous biographies and films followed. Using previously unseen material, Daniel Siemens provides a fascinating and gripping account of the background to Horst Wessel's murder and uncovers how and why the Nazis made him a political hero. He examines the Horst Wessel 'cult' which emerged in the aftermath of Wessel's death and the murders of revenge, particularly against Communists, committed by the SA and Gestapo after 1933. At the same time, the story of Horst Wessel provides a portrait of the Nazi propaganda machine at its most effective and most chilling.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 7 years, 10 months ago
    Black Lives Matter is pushed by radical black racist, and. ministers, along with George Soros. It is not meant to help the black community, rather to stir it up in the fashion of Alinsky;s :"Rules for radicals". The media is part of the problem, buying into the left wing agitation. Black youth are poorly educated in failing US schools, know no real history of their own culture, and rarely even know the history of black educated men like Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams. They listen to Hillary Clinton instead, when she has done nothing but use them. They have no idea of the history of black scientists or the great musicians and actors of the 40s or 50s. All they know, is what they are told to think. They text and rap, but they do not reason. When the radical leaders say, all cops bad, they hit the streets to protest against them. Until the culture is address, from withing black society, it will not change. Read the statistics on Black on Black vs white on Black crime in Imprimus online, under the title "Black Lives Matter." The statistics are there for anyone to read. More Blacks are killed by Blacks than by whites, and it is all on record. Drugs are taking over all communities, but more so the Black communities, and the instigators of of protests are hurting these communities by lying to them.i
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  • Posted by LarryHeart 7 years, 10 months ago
    The greatest threat to Police and young black men are young black men. Digging deeper, the culture that breeds violence, Islamic terrorist influence in Jails, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the others who instill hatred for whites, white shame and guilt and victim mentality entitlement that leads to welfare, broken families, unsafe, drug filled housing projects and gangs. Just to name a few.

    Just a note that none of the violence and riots are grass roots. They are all started by paid agitators. The community wants peace and Police protection.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
    I am tired of the black entitlement movement in all its flavors. The government has coddled black people into thinking they are something particularly special and deserve special treatment over and above the rest of us.

    Its not an issue of black, white, yellow, or whatever. People are people. If they say 'black lives matter", I say "white lives matter just as much".

    All this has made me just want to NOT live around the entitled culture, whether black or white. There must be someplace in the world that is nice to live in that doesnt have entitlement (other than an uninhabited desert island)
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    • Posted by blackswan 7 years, 10 months ago
      FEAR is the thing that's paralyzing everyone. Honest blacks won't say anything for fear of being called an uncle tom. Whites won't say anything for fear of being called racist. The problem is that there will be no solution until everyone gets off it, and speaks clearly and honestly. Until then, nothing will change. If we're going to be like John Galt (and Francisco and Ragnar), we MUST be willing to face the ire of the uneducated and the evil. If not, we're part of the problem.
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      • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
        I can almost give the uneducated a pass because they can be educated. As to the rest (the evil) all I can say is that the only regret I have is that I don't believe in hell.
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      • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
        ABSOLUTELY. The biggest thing I like about Trump is that he is willing to be politically incorrect. Since he has started running, I have been much more vocal about what I think. I want him in government because he will tell us all when the emperor has no clothes- and we NEED that in government to help bust up the cronyism that is rampant there.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
      You are certainly not alone. If people are honest about it, most of them would say the same as you. But they fear the racism label.
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      • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
        At this point, I really dont care about political correctness anymore. They can call me what they want. I could care less now what race a person is from. I do care what culture they come from, as it will most likely affect how they act in various situations. I dont like the entitled black culture that is prevalent now at all and I just try to stay away from it as much as possible. I dont like the welfare entitled culture that seems so prevalent today either.
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        • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
          By not caring about PC one has graduated to an important level of individuality. The true Black culture is the American culture as it should be for all Americans.
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          • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
            not sure I understand what the 'true black culture" is. All I see here in Vegas is the entitled welfare enriched black culture with pants hanging down to their knees and playing hip hop.
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            • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
              What I meant was that as Americans one should embrace American culture which includes Black culture and every other culture sub-division of Americans..
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              • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
                This is going to sound very politically incorrect, BUT...
                I think human nature is basically tribal. We like what we feed comfortable around, and we dont like what we dont feel comfortable around. Thats why there was Chinatown, Koreatown, Spanish Harlem, etc. Eventually the immigrants melted into the American culture enough that the americans accepted them into their tribes.
                When government forces people to live together, it just encourages hatred for the people in the "other" tribes.

                I dont see anything wrong with people wanting to live around others who have similar values. Thats what formed tribes in the first place.

                Everyone is a member of one "tribe" or another if we think about it, and political correctness be damned, whats wrong with it. There can be tribes of people who are totally open to immigration and melting of various tribes together. Thats ok, but dont force me to do it if I dont feel comfortable with some of the tribes.

                Again, political correctness be damned, but I dont happen to like the muslim culture and I dont want to live around people who profess to kill me if I am an infidel (which I am). Mormons dont go to the same degree, but I dont feel comfortable around their non accepting religion.

                If I lived in totally black neighborhoods that I have seen, the first thing I would do is MOVE. Why do they call the three most important things about real estate- location, location, and location Sometimes it really is about geographical location, but often its who else lives there- rich, poor, entitled, violent, etc.
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                • Posted by 7 years, 10 months ago
                  One thing that was formerly one of the glories of America was called "The Melting Pot." It meant that unlike other nations that were culturally the same within their borders, America was comprised of all sorts of backgrounds and traditions that eventually get melted into one background and tradition. As soon as people of divergent backgrounds left Ellis Island they wanted to be Americanized. Yes, they kept their foreign ways but they encouraged their children to be American in every way. For a number of reasons, we are losing that. At first staying together was a good thing. It led to patronage which led to better education which led to professions such as doctors, etc. Somehow (another possible topic) we are devolving back into the tribalism as described.
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                  • Posted by term2 7 years, 10 months ago
                    I agree that the melting pot was a good thing, as long as it was voluntary. Becoming americanized meant the immigrants could fit into the structure that would let them more easily succeed. Hard work overcame discrimmination. Who can argue with success...

                    I live in Las Vegas, which has a LOT of hispanics. They speak spanish mostly. The signs are in spanish in a lot of places, and I would say they dont try to fit into the american culture, but rather try to change our culture to what they came from. If they liked their culture so much, why didnt they just stay there?? If I wanted to move to Mexico, I would learn spanish and try to mix in with their culture, otherwise I would just stay right here.
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